>As to wing views, if you can't really see them from a 2D>cockpit, without looking out a window to the rear, then I>suppose not. Yes, I suppose I was not precise enough in my little list at the top of this thread. I particularly meant passenger-style wingviews in commercial jets, as it's always the Boeing and Airbus jockeys who ask for them.With a Stearman, or Spitfire, of course, you get little else if you look sideways!As for your B-29, I have no idea and will leave that to others. Certainly, with the DC-3, you can watch your left engine start but not your right. Hence the reason why the right engine was usually started first, just in case the FO was asleep; at least that way you can hear it!MarkMark "Dark Moment" BeaumontVP Fleet, DC-3 AirwaysTeam Member, MAAM-SIM[a href=http://www.swiremariners.com/cathayhk.html" target="_blank]http://www.paxship.com/maamlogo2.jpg[/a]

Why do we spend hours flying across the Pacific in our computer chair for free when we could be getting paid to do it for real?

>Have wing views from a 3D cabin, sure, and preferably even>warm and friendly stewardesses - but from the cockpit? Sorry,>that just kills it for me.>you know what's wierd - as a wv lover that kills it for me too :-erksleft and right (and all around) 2d cockpit views MUST be either cockpit bitmaps or for models so equipped, the 3d pit. And if a model has a truly outstanding vc - I'll happily spend the whole flight in there.regards,MarkXPHomeSP2/FS9.1/3.2HT/1GIG/X700pro256

>Why do we spend hours flying across the Pacific in our>computer chair for free when we could be getting paid to do it>for real?1. Time to set up for flying across the Pacific in our computer chair for free: ten minutes.2. Time to set up for flying across the Pacific for real: about seven years training, and even then you've got to get hired!I'm not saying I wouldn't like option 2 were the chance available, but I'm not sure the authorities would approve of my habit when performing option 1 of holding a cold beer in my free hand.MarkMark "Dark Moment" BeaumontVP Fleet, DC-3 AirwaysTeam Member, MAAM-SIM[a href=http://www.swiremariners.com/cathayhk.html" target="_blank]http://www.paxship.com/maamlogo2.jpg[/a]

I quote from the initial thread.All in good fun ...Andrew Brownhttp://www.gordiusfs.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

hence the smilies Andrew :) - I 'm not the best at communicating levity on 'paper' - no manner of offense was taken or meant :-eek ...unless of course - you think wv lovers are peculiar too :-bat regards,Mark ;)XPHomeSP2/FS9.1/3.2HT/1GIG/X700pro256

Being sent to the active runway which is 4 miles away.Always being handed over just before you reach assigned altitude.Given vectors and approach clearance 40 miles away.Ask if you can see traffic at 6 o clock.Approach altitudes given that have you scraping mountains.Having my 747 with 400 people onboard having to go around for a 172.

LOL!I sometimes feel the same as you!David>Just 1: The fact that I am addicted to the bl$#@y thing>despite that it is utterly irrelevant to my lifestyle and>profession. >>As a result I sometimes feel like I partake in an apocryphal>fraternity whose secrets are not to be revealed to outsiders.>Wait, who am I kidding? Outsiders wouldn't care less...been>there, seen the perplexed looks on faces when flight>simulation comes up as a favourite pastime...>>