Is the Bison the nickname for the Mig-21 or the F-86 ?  Although indeed the Mig-21 looks more like a Bison :-) with that dorsal structure ...

 

It is the Mig 21 and I found an excellent one for X plane too, the FD of it feels quite similar to the DCS model.

Hmmm, it's very difficult for me to find any thrill in civil sims nowadays, even less when  I start comparing the accuracy and overall quality of their flight dynamics, and their performance with what I get with DCS World.

 

I have finally managed to concentrate on a single simulator, just as I wished so much I could have dome with MS FLIGHT - the reason why I returned to flight simming back in 2011.... Unfortunately the "random walk" I initiated when MS FLIGHT MS project collapsed made me invest poorly most of the time ... 

 

If I had to keep a civil flight simulator at the present moment my choice would certainly go to P3D3, the one which gave me the best performance ever with any platform, MS FLIGHT included, and allowed me to use my best flightsim add-on ever - the PMDG 777, but problem is, I completely lost the interest in VFR or even IFR flying.... Too late to be useful or interesting for me ... and I started finding very boring even the small circuits I ended up performing with the PMDG 777 oin P3D3 or the 744s in PSX.... particularly under adverse weather conditions, to try to get at least a bit of thrill from that...

 

Simulators I would never have bought, should I know at the beginning what I found out too late:

 

- X-Plane 10 ( mostly for the deception I got from it's support and flight dynamics problems )

- AeroflyFS  ( useless for me )

- IL2- CoD

- Rise of Flight ( SUPERB! but I never could play it properly with much enthusiasm....)

- PSX ( The MOST PERFECT Boeing 744 simulation, systems wise mostly, but mostly useless in my hands and for the kind of use I really gave it... ). Also, I could never feel confortable with the much limited out-of-windshield views, and in the end I found out it was rather limitative for me, and using external visuals in another sim, too heavy for my system, and not smooth for visual approaches and overall flying...

 

OTOH, IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad leaves me with the sensation of having lost the chance to become the Best overall ww2 era combat flight simulation platform being lost mostly due to the problems with some aspects of it's flight dynamics and the impact they have in very important features of the aircraft being modeled when compared to their RW counterparts ... I can't play a sim just for the beauty of it graphics and performance wise, and even if many aspects of the physics model satisfied me as well, but then falls short of my expectations in details I really find crucial for modeling the powerful prop aircraft that those ww2 fighters were / are...

 

I initiated sometime ago a "depuration" process regarding combat flight simulators. There aren't, IMO, many choices worth the try, if one is looking in the very first place for the most accurate flight dynamics, so I ended up between IL-2 BoS and DCS World, but since the ww2 stuff is being covered in DCS in a much more detailed / complex / accurate way, and I can wait for the Normandy map, I eventually decided to concentrate solely in DCS World.

 

I still keep Condorsoaring for virtual gliding competitions....

The Eadt x737 works very well in Xplane 10. The FD problem could only be prop oriented and that lousy torque. 

Hmmm, it's very difficult for me to find any thrill in civil sims nowadays, even less when  I start comparing the accuracy and overall quality of their flight dynamics, and their performance with what I get with DCS World.

 

I have finally managed to concentrate on a single simulator, just as I wished so much I could have dome with MS FLIGHT - the reason why I returned to flight simming back in 2011.... Unfortunately the "random walk" I initiated when MS FLIGHT MS project collapsed made me invest poorly most of the time ... 

 

If I had to keep a civil flight simulator at the present moment my choice would certainly go to P3D3, the one which gave me the best performance ever with any platform, MS FLIGHT included, and allowed me to use my best flightsim add-on ever - the PMDG 777, but problem is, I completely lost the interest in VFR or even IFR flying.... Too late to be useful or interesting for me ... and I started finding very boring even the small circuits I ended up performing with the PMDG 777 oin P3D3 or the 744s in PSX.... particularly under adverse weather conditions, to try to get at least a bit of thrill from that...

 

Simulators I would never have bought, should I know at the beginning what I found out too late:

 

- X-Plane 10 ( mostly for the deception I got from it's support and flight dynamics problems )

- AeroflyFS  ( useless for me )

- IL2- CoD

- Rise of Flight ( SUPERB! but I never could play it properly with much enthusiasm....)

- PSX ( The MOST PERFECT Boeing 744 simulation, systems wise mostly, but mostly useless in my hands and for the kind of use I really gave it... ). Also, I could never feel confortable with the much limited out-of-windshield views, and in the end I found out it was rather limitative for me, and using external visuals in another sim, too heavy for my system, and not smooth for visual approaches and overall flying...

 

OTOH, IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad leaves me with the sensation of having lost the chance to become the Best overall ww2 era combat flight simulation platform being lost mostly due to the problems with some aspects of it's flight dynamics and the impact they have in very important features of the aircraft being modeled when compared to their RW counterparts ... I can't play a sim just for the beauty of it graphics and performance wise, and even if many aspects of the physics model satisfied me as well, but then falls short of my expectations in details I really find crucial for modeling the powerful prop aircraft that those ww2 fighters were / are...

 

I initiated sometime ago a "depuration" process regarding combat flight simulators. There aren't, IMO, many choices worth the try, if one is looking in the very first place for the most accurate flight dynamics, so I ended up between IL-2 BoS and DCS World, but since the ww2 stuff is being covered in DCS in a much more detailed / complex / accurate way, and I can wait for the Normandy map, I eventually decided to concentrate solely in DCS World.

 

I still keep Condorsoaring for virtual gliding competitions....

 

I hear your frustration, jcomm! Hopefully the NGiS team will inspire us to get back into civil sims when incorporating some 21st century technology to drive it. The project certainly looks promising, although early days.

 

http://nexgenflightsim.com/

 

Yep, I know about that Project... Surely looks promising, just as Outerra as an overall simulation platform to build up on...

I can't talk for the upcoming sims, particularly civil sims, which is what I actually used for over 25 yrs, but regarding my particular option for DCS, and as much I I would love to have that same sim as it is right now, with World coverage, truth is we can't have it all, I believe, and my choice was that of someone who places in the very first place of his choice criteria the quality of the Flight Dynamics Model.

 

In this area, as well in the modelling of aircraft systems, and of course weapons ( that last one subsidiary for me... ), nothing is, IMO, ahead of DCS World - and that's why, after so many years, and even not having been combat flight simulators my choice ever, I ended up deciding it would be useless for me to keep using those other certainly great sims, and their certainly great add-ons, when in fact the true sensation of being there is what DCS provides me.

 

But of course each one has his / her own priorities, so, I can't  but understand that other simmers opt for FSX, P3D, X-Plane, PSX, Aerofly,,, whatever - it's their choice...

 

 

I understand - but what I am saying is that combat flight sims with great flight dynamics have been around for a while.  Heck even the original SU27 Flanker which I still have, has great flight dynamics.   Lock-On had great FD, the original IL-2 had great FD, we could really go on and on.  When comparing all these combat sims to FSX/P3D/XP, they all have great FD - precisely for the reason you mentioned; they aren't trying to model the civilian flying world.

 

What I'm really seeing is this - DCS has come to America - that's the appeal.  Prior to this NTTR theater, it was ho hum, not as popular, faddish.  You're really just in love with the scenery.  Which unfortunately you'll grow tired of when you want to take a flight from Las Vegas to Chicago, sorry, not gonna happen in DCS.

 

All I'm saying again is this - no need to the excitement.  It's a limited sim when compared to FSX/P3D/XP.  It offers a very tiny smidgen of what is needed in a civilian flight sim.  It will never be a replacement.

Did you read what i replied to you before? Because you said the exact same point. I'll repeat.

DCS is NOT a civilian flight sim, nor it ever planned to be, nor does it want to be.

Does it mean it doesn't have what a flight simulator is? Hell yes it does have it, and there is NO competition regarding flight dynamics with FSX/P3D payware addons without a doubt.

You talk about Lock On. Do you know that DCS World is made by the same people that did Lock On? Do you also know that Lock On had only SFM = standard flight model, which means no wheel calculation on the ground and wasn't really great? Did you ever try on Lock On to stall the plane in the air and see how it reacted?

Now, i think you didn't even try to play DCS World since apparently you think it's biggest strong point is the Nevada map, perhaps you should!

DCS World is free to play with the su-25t (which has advanced flight model but simplified avionics like in Lock On) or the TF-51 (dual seat version of the P-51 with AFM AND realistic avionics). You can download it either on Steam or on the official site, and honestly i invite you or anyone else to try it since it's free with those two planes, something that doesn't happen often in this industry.

Time to destroy some stuff!

I've played them all - DCS as well.  I've been combat simming since 1942 Pacific Air War.  Member at SimHQ since 2001.

 

I just don't understand the point of doing any comparison at all here at the Avsim Screenshot forum.  I think it's more detrimental to the civilian sims we have now, P3D V3 just released, and XP 10.40 getting huge.  It takes the focus off the core civilian sims.  There are hundreds of combat simming forums that have been posting awesome screenshots since 1994.  Perhaps that is the better place. 

 

There is literally nothing new here.

From people coming from FSX and P3D, it's another world really. No more blurred textures either, better lightning, proper flight dynamics especially on the ground (which are also achieved in xplane too, granted), just lovely.

 

I would love a civilian flight simulator with 2015 graphics and tech rather than 2006 tech. Maybe it will happen next year.