I wonder what would happen if LM released a P3d 64 bit version on the same day as DTG released their 64 bit sim,where would we spend the money,both sims would appear to start on a level playground,with as far as I understand it most third party add on not working,it would be an interesting time thousands of post,s comparing this and that feature,do we need two 64 bit flight sims based on FSX

Peter

 

I wonder what would happen if LM released a P3d 64 bit version on the same day as DTG released their 64 bit sim

 

The Universe would collapse under the gravitational force of billions of flightsimmers crying out in frustration at having to make a choice.

 

 

i would listen to Jordan King a little guys, because from how he talks it seems like he knows more stuff and might be under NDA with Dovetail. He also makes some valid points

 

I agree with you on that.  Definitely sounds as though he knows more than the rest (reading between the lines) and he sounds (to me) very positive about what's ahead.  Good news.

Who is this Jordan King guy and why would he know anymore than the rest of us now do? (I presume he's a YouTuber?)

What will happen to the current distributors (Simmarket, Flightsimstore) under the Steam distribution model?  This must be bad news for them

 

 

What will happen to the current distributors (Simmarket, Flightsimstore) under the Steam distribution model?  This must be bad news for them

 

I hope they don't restrict addons to Steam only, this would be bad news for such stores as well as freeware developers who want to distribute their own addons

Who is this Jordan King guy and why would he know anymore than the rest of us now do? (I presume he's a YouTuber?)

If you check some messages above i posted a video he made where he talks a little bit about those two new projects. He is indeed a youtuber and a pilot, in the past some of his videos were also shared by Dovetail itself (about FSX-SE), so my guess is that he is a sort of community contributor, with a NDA signed, and he will show us more about the two games once DTG gives him the green light

 

This is the post i made about it before:

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/482636-news-on-dtg-simulator-is-coming-soon/page-26#entry3371542

Ah great, thanks for the info. I've subscribed to his channel

It's possible for an online store to sell steam titles. Essentially they sell you a serial number for steam activation and download.

 

But of course Steam is taking a cut.

 

At least that's how I think it works.

Ahh yes I think Just Flight does that..

This makes me wonder how DTG are capable of producing a 64 bit flightsim when they have only been active in the flightsim world for what approx 2 yrs and LM are still pedaling a 32 bit sim after 4/5 yrs,I suppose it benefits DTG greatly not to having to worry about backwards capability

Peter

I doubt very much if DTG are not going to be taking backwards compatibility into account with there new and improved 64 bit FSX. Sure, probably none of the currently available FSX addons will work with there new sim, however, I am sure that the work required to make them work recompiling aside will be a far more attractive route to P3D's than having to start building new addons from scratch. Imagine PMDG having to start the 737 NG from scratch with a brand new sim and a strange SDK. It would take a decade. Now imagine that the New SDK was like a more advanced version of the old one with new hooks and features etc. How long would it take PMDG to modify the NGX and recompile it to 64bit so that it would work in the New 64bit FSX? Maybe a year? And other developers with less complex addons far less time! I predict that the new 64 bit Dove Tail Flight Sim and LMs 64 bit Prepar3D V4 will be virtually identical, in the same vain that FSX and ESP are virtually identical. And that there has been and still is secret collaboration going on between the two companies. Why wouldn't there be? They are both involved in the exact same project with the exact same goal but with 2 completely distinct markets i.e. they are not competing with each other at all! Its a no brainer. It also addresses the elephant in the room. When these events transpire hopefully all concerned will be kind to us who have already moved ahead when they are forcibly splitting us into the pro user and entertainment user camps. I'm reading the tea leaf's LOL! And it also in the book of Revelations

This makes me wonder how DTG are capable of producing a 64 bit flightsim when they have only been active in the flightsim world for what approx 2 yrs and LM are still pedaling a 32 bit sim after 4/5 yrs,I suppose it benefits DTG greatly not to having to worry about backwards capability

Peter

 

Well, i guess we can say it also depends on how many people are working on it too? And their secret plans and priorities? Difficulties encountered on their "sim" part of Prepar3d with their commercial partners also.

Some people really think that since Prepar3d is done by LM, they will spend billions on it developing it. That might not be the case

 

I don't care about the money i spent on previous addons to be honest. I would spend money again on the new sim with the same type of addon IF they offer something new. Which doesn't mean a ground camera for example, or some windows to move. Something flying dynamics wise. Or anyway something relevant that makes it really "worth it".

 

Simmers have been spoiled by the fact they got to enjoy addons in a rather static environment since 2006. Addon developers  too and that was clear when the different updates came out for FSX-SE that kept breaking their work. That's also why some of them are now making sure the majority of their addon is working outside the sim environment so the things to fix will be less and the fixing itself faster

Simmers have been spoiled by the fact they got to enjoy addons in a rather static environment since 2006. Addon developers  too and that was clear when the different updates came out for FSX-SE that kept breaking their work. That's also why some of them are now making sure the majority of their addon is working outside the sim environment so the things to fix will be less and the fixing itself faster

 

It's something I've thought about. This market has been a relatively isolated and stagnant pool for so long in terms of programming that the fish have all found their unique niches, and I wonder about their capability to adapt to rapid environmental changes. DTGs move is shrewd in a way in that it preserves familiarity by using FSX as a base, but I can't help but feel that this could curtail innovation as well.

 

Can I really get behind P3D "the entertainment version" as the new future? Well, if that's all there is, I can, but my eyes will still be open for something that really pushes the bar into the next generation.

 

I guess the real proof will be at the end of the year.

It's something I've thought about. This market has been a relatively isolated and stagnant pool for so long in terms of programming that the fish have all found their unique niches, and I wonder about their capability to adapt to rapid environmental changes. DTGs move is shrewd in a way in that it preserves familiarity by using FSX as a base, but I can't help but feel that this could curtail innovation as well.

 

Can I really get behind P3D "the entertainment version" as the new future? Well, if that's all there is, I can, but my eyes will still be open for something that really pushes the bar into the next generation.

 

I guess the real proof will be at the end of the year.

 

 

Yeah i remember your view and i agree with it.

But i believe that if they really wanted to do sometihng new they woudn't even have picked that engine. They can improve it as much as they want, it's still an old engine and they can't change some of its flaws completely.