Cleared Departure Altitude too Low & No Handoff to Center

[sbclark 55]

Hi,

 

I had three problems with this flight from KSAN to KPHX (See the embedded file below).

 

1) Departure gave me an takeoff altitude clearance of 3,000 feet, which seems pretty low for an airliner.

 

2) I flew a long time at 3,000 feet and I had to request my cruising altitude, which was 27,000 feet

 

3) The last issue, sometime time after takeoff, there was no handoff to Center from departure. After that there was no further communication.

 

Except for the low clearance altitude, I'm probably not doing something correctly. There is no doubt I'm getting better at setting up a flight as I get more comfortable with the menus, but the ATC lingo is going to take some time.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Bill

 

 

 

Simulator Connected

Recognition Engine Installed

Grammars Loaded

NextWpt: To Alt-520

NextWpt: To Alt-520

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready to Copy IFR Clearance;

State Change to: FlightPlanDelivered

Southwest One Two Three Four is cleared to Kilo Papa Hotel XRay, fly the POGGI5 departure , with the IPL transition , then as filed.   Maintain , Three Thousand feet . Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure  Departure on One One Niner Point Six Squawk Three One Six Two

~Southwest One Two Three Four is cleared to Kilo Papa Hotel XRay, fly the POGGI5 departure , with the IPL transition , then as filed.   Maintain , Three Thousand feet . Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure  Departure on One One Niner Point Six Squawk Three One Six Two

 Southwest One Two Three Four is Cleared to Kilo Papa Hotel XRay fly the POGGI5 departure with the IPL transition then as filed Maintain Three Thousand Feet Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure Departure on One One Niner Point Six Squawk Three One Six Two;

Southwest One Two Three Four Readback Correct.  Altimeter is Two Niner Niner Three Contact Ground on One Two Three Point Niner when ready for pushback  have a good afternoon

~ Altimeter is Two Niner Niner Three Ground on One Two Three Point Niner Southwest One Two Three Four

 Altimeter is Two Niner Niner Three Ground on One Two Three Point Niner Southwest One Two Three Four;

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready for Pushback and Engine Start;

Southwest One Two Three Four Pushback and engine start approved

~ Pushback and engine start approved  Southwest One Two Three Four

 Pushback and Engine Start Approved Southwest One Two Three Four;

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready to Taxi;

Southwest One Two Three Four Standby

State Change to: TaxiOut

Southwest One Two Three Four Taxi to Runway Two Seven Via Taxiways Bravo, Delta,  Hold Short Runway Two Seven

~ Taxi to Runway Two Seven Via Taxiways Bravo, Delta,  Hold Short Runway Two Seven Southwest One Two Three Four

 Taxi to Runway Two Seven via Taxiways Bravo Delta Hold Short Runway Two Seven Southwest One Two Three Four;

State Change to: AtDepartureRunway

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact Tower on One One Eight Point Three,  have a nice flight

~Tower on One One Eight Point Three Southwest One Two Three Four

 Tower on One One Eight Point Three Southwest One Two Three Four;

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready for Departure Runway Two Seven;

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact Tower on One One Eight Point Three

~Tower on One One Eight Point Three  Southwest One Two Three Four

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready Two Four Two for to Remain in pattern;

Southwest One Two Three Four This is Tower go ahead.

Make or repeat your request. Southwest One Two Three Four

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready for Departure Runway Two Seven;

State Change to: TakeoffIFR

Southwest One Two Three Four Whinds are Three Zero Zero at Seven knots  Altimeter is Two Niner Niner Two Cleared for takeoff, Runway Two Seven Squawk Three One Six Two

~Cleared for takeoff, Runway Two Seven Squawking Three One Six Two  Southwest One Two Three Four

 Cleared for Takeoff Runway Two Seven Squawking Three One Six Two Southwest One Two Three Four;

NextWpt: JETTI

NextWpt: LOWMA

Southwest One Two Three Four Altimeter is Two Niner Niner One   Climb and Maintain , Niner Thousand feet  Contact Departure on One One Niner Point Six,  have a good afternoon

~Departure on One One Niner Point Six,  have a good afternoon  Southwest One Two Three Four

Southwest One Two Three Four Slow to 230 knots or less.

~Wilco  Southwest One Two Three Four

 Wilco Southwest One Two Three Four;

 Two Seven Zero;

Aircraft calling Departure Say again with your call sign.

Repeat your request with a proper call sign Southwest One Two Three Four

NextWpt: PGY

 Southwest One Two Three Four Request Climb to Flight Level Two Seven Zero;

Southwest One Two Three Four stand by.

Southwest One Two Three Four  Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero

~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest One Two Three Four

Southwest One Two Three Four Slow to 230 knots or less.

~Wilco  Southwest One Two Three Four

Southwest One Two Three Four Slow to 230 knots or less.

~Wilco  Southwest One Two Three Four

Southwest One Two Three Four Slow to 230 knots or less.

~Wilco  Southwest One Two Three Four

NextWpt: BROWS

NextWpt: IPL

 Wilco Southwest One Two Three Four;

NextWpt: TOD

 Say Assigned Frequency for Southwest One Two Three Four;

Southwest One Two Three Four Your assigned frequency is SOCAL APP/DEP DEPARTURE  on One One Niner Point Six

NextWpt: MOHAK

NextWpt: JUDTH

NextWpt: HYDRR

 Southwest One Two Three Four;  Ready for Approach;

Southwest One Two Three Four This is Departure go ahead.

Make or repeat your request. Southwest One Two Three Four

 Approach Southwest One Two Three Four Request Runway Eight;

Southwest One Two Three Four This is UNICOM go ahead.

Make or repeat your request. Southwest One Two Three Four

 Southwest One Two Three Four;  Request ILS Approach Two Two Five West;

 Southwest One Two Three Four Inbound an;  Fly ARLIN3;

Southwest One Two Three Four This is UNICOM go ahead.

Make or repeat your request. Southwest One Two Three Four

 Southwest One Two Three Four Request ILS Approach Two Southeast;

 Southwest One Two Three Four;  At Twenty Thousand Feet;  Request ILS Approach Two Two Active Runway;

Southwest One Two Three FourActive runway at YUMA PROVING GROUND LAGUNA AAF is Zero Six

NextWpt: PAYNT

NextWpt: ARLIN

NextWpt: AMBRR

NextWpt: ALEYS

NextWpt: TUKEE

NextWpt: GIPSE

NextWpt: SCADE

NextWpt: RW25L

 

 

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 870]

Bill,

I agree, unless you had filed for some in pattern work before departure.  lol

I found the low departure clearance issue and it should be fixed in the update this week.

 

Looking at the transcript, it looks like you never did an initial call to Departure  something like "Southwest 1234 level at 9000".  Once you received clearance to FL270, the Step Climb was abandoned.

 

I'll take a look at this Tower/Departure transition to see how to improve it.  I think in this case, had you been given a reasonable first altitude, things would definitely have gone better.

 

 

Thanks,

Dave

[sbclark 55]

Hi Dave,

 

Thanks......

 

One more observation I should mention about the text data posted above, is that I was told to maintain 230 knots after passing LOWMA heading towards POGGI. The PMDG 737 I fly appears to be programmed to increase the airspeed to 250 knots after LOWMA. So I am assuming that once passing LOWMA it is ok to move up to the 250 knot speed restriction. In addition, as I recall even when I was above 10,000 feet, I was given the ATC warning not to exceed 230 knots......which surprised me.

 

You may want to check this out as well?

 

I will keep flying this route until I get the ATC process and hope to complete it successfully......there is a lot to learn about ATC protocol.

 

On a positive note, I sure do like your new interface. Because I run on a networked PC, and I can show P2A in full screen, having access to the approach plate is really a nice feature!

 

Bill

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 870]

Thanks Bill.

And yes, the speed warnings seemed to come after they should have stopped.  I made a change to try and fix that and it will be in the update later this week too.

 

Thanks,

Dave

[sbclark 55]

Dave,

 

I'm running the same flight plan again today........and I have gotten farther then yesterday.......my question is:

 

When I'm either passed from Departure to Center. or fro, one Center to another Center, there does not appear to be what I would think an appropriate response in your pull down menu's in the Grmr menu?"

 

What should I be requesting or Reporting or saying?

 

Bill

[sbclark 55]

Hi Dave

 

Three big issues jumped out at me on this flight;

 

1. Once I had achieved my cruise altitude of 27,000 feet, I was asked by Center to expedite climb to 27,000 several times as I recall. My TOD was different than P2A's.

 

2. When cleared to descend to 25,000 which was about 36 miles prior to PMDG's TOD, I complied. However, I was left at the altitude so long that there was no way I was going to land at RWY 07L at KPHX because I was way too high.

 

3. Had I been granted the proper descent, I should have been cleared to AMBRR and then to FOWLE for a straight in approach to RW 07. Unfortunately, P2A appeared to direct me all the way out to TUKEE, which was way out of the way. I terminated the flight at this point.

 

When I was flying ProATC  I ran into this same issue where there is a difference between the NavDataPro versus the Navigraph. It appears, at least from my simplistic view, that NavDataPro is more European centric, and Navigraph is more USA centered. By switching from NavDataPro to Navigraph, I was able to fly the ARLIN3 approach they way it was intended.

 

See the new text file below.

 

As a suggestion, you may want to fly this route to see for yourself how these two WW regions differ as to how they deal with SID's and STARS?

 

KSAN POGGI5.IPL MOHAK.ARLIN3.07L AVONA ILS RWY07L KPHX

 

Bill

 

 

Simulator Connected

 

Recognition Engine Installed

 

Grammars Loaded

 

NextWpt: To Alt-520

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four;  Ready to Copy IFR Clearance;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact Clearance Delivery on One Two Four Point Four,  have a good afternoon

 

~Contact Clearance Delivery on One Two Four Point Four  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four;  Ready to Copy IFR Clearance;

 

State Change to: FlightPlanDelivered

 

Southwest One Two Three Four is cleared to Kilo Papa Hotel XRay, fly the POGGI5 departure , with the IPL transition , then as filed.   Maintain , Three Thousand feet . Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure  Departure on One One Niner Point Six Squawk Four Four Zero Five

 

~Southwest One Two Three Four is cleared to Kilo Papa Hotel XRay, fly the POGGI5 departure , with the IPL transition , then as filed.   Maintain , Three Thousand feet . Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure  Departure on One One Niner Point Six Squawk Four Four Zero Five

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four is Cleared to Kilo Papa Hotel XRay fly the POGGI5 departure with the IPL transition then as filed Maintain Three Thousand Feet Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure Departure on One One Niner Point Six Squawk Four Four Zero Five;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Readback Correct.  Altimeter is Two Niner Niner Seven Contact Ground on One Two Three Point Niner when ready for pushback  enjoy your afternoon

 

~ Altimeter is Two Niner Niner Seven Ground on One Two Three Point Niner Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four;  Ready for Pushback;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four, Contact Ground on One Two Three Point Niner  enjoy

 

~Contact Ground on One Two Three Point Niner Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready for Pushback;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Pushback approved

 

~ Pushback approved  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready to Taxi;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Standby

 

State Change to: TaxiOut

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Taxi to Runway Two Seven Via Taxiways Bravo, Delta,  Hold Short Runway Two Seven

 

~ Taxi to Runway Two Seven Via Taxiways Bravo, Delta,  Hold Short Runway Two Seven Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Taxi to Runway Two Seven via Taxiways Bravo Delta Hold Short Runway Two Seven Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

State Change to: AtDepartureRunway

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact Tower on One One Eight Point Three,  enjoy your afternoon

 

~Tower on One One Eight Point Three Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Tower on One One Eight Point Three Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four;  Ready for Departure Runway Two Seven;

 

State Change to: TakeoffIFR

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Whinds are Three Five Zero at Seven knots  Cleared for takeoff, Runway Two Seven

 

~Cleared for takeoff, Runway Two Seven Southwest One Two Three Four

 

NextWpt: JETTI

 

NextWpt: LOWMA

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Altimeter is Two Niner Niner Five   Climb and Maintain , Niner Thousand feet  Contact Departure on One One Niner Point Six,  have a good one

 

~Departure on One One Niner Point Six,  have a good afternoon  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four at;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four go ahead.

 

Make or repeat your request. Southwest One Two Three Four

 

NextWpt: PGY

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four At Three Thousand Feet;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Altitude is , Niner Thousand feet

 

~Altitude is , Niner Thousand feet  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Slow to 230 knots or less.

 

~Wilco  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Wilco Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Slow to 230 knots or less.

 

~Wilco  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Slow to 230 knots or less.

 

~Wilco  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Slow to 230 knots or less.

 

~Wilco  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four At Eight Thousand Feet;

 

State Change to: DepartureIFR

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Southwest   good afternoon .  Radar Contact.  Altimeter is Two Niner Niner Six   Climb and Maintain , Niner Thousand feet  Southwest  Slow to 230 knots or less.  Southwest  Slow to 230 knots or less.  Southwest  Slow to 230 knots or less.  Southwest  Slow to 230 knots or less.  Southwest  Altitude is , Niner Thousand feet  Southwest  go ahead. 

 

~~ Climb and Maintain   Niner Thousand feet  ~Wilco  ~Wilco  ~Wilco  ~Wilco  ~Altitude is , Niner Thousand feet  Make or repeat your request.  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Altimeter is Two Niner Niner Six   Climb and Maintain , One Five Thousand feet

 

~ Climb and Maintain   One Five Thousand feet  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Slow to 230 knots or less.

 

~Wilco  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

NextWpt: BROWS

 

 Wilco Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

State Change to: EnRouteIFR

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact LOS ANGELES CENTER  on One Two Eight Point One Five,  have a good afternoon

 

~Center on One Two Eight Point One Five take care  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

NextWpt: IPL

 

Southwest One Two Three Four  Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two One Zero

 

~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two One Zero Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two One Zero Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four  Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero

 

~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero

 

~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Expedite Climb to Flight Level Two Seven Zero

 

~ Expedite Climb to Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero

 

~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Expedite Climb to Flight Level Two Seven Zero

 

..

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact MAZATLAN CENTER  on One Two Eight Point Three goodday

 

~Center on One Two Eight Point Three goodday  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Center on One Two Eight Point Three goodday Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

NextWpt: TOD

 

 Center;  Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four This is Center go ahead.

 

Make or repeat your request. Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four Report abeam FLAT Leveling Two Seven Zero;

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four;  At Flight Level Two Seven Zero;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Southwest   good afternoon .  Radar Contact.  Southwest  This is Center go ahead.  Southwest  Contact MAZATLAN CENTER  on One Two Eight Point Three goodday  Southwest  Expedite Climb to Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest  Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest  Expedite Climb to Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest  Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest   Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero Southwest   Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two One Zero

 

~ Make or repeat your request. ~Center on One Two Eight Point Three goodday  ~ Expedite Climb to Flight Level Two Seven Zero ~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero ~ Expedite Climb to Flight Level Two Seven Zero ~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero ~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Seven Zero ~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two One Zero  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact ATC CENTER  on One Two Seven Point One Two have a good afternoon

 

~Center on One Two Seven Point One Two goodday  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

NextWpt: MOHAK

 

NextWpt: MOHAK

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Descend via the ARLIN3 arrival.  Cleared direct to MOHAK.   Descend and Maintain Flight Level Two Five Zero Expect the  ILS  approach to runway Zero Seven Left Altimeter is Three Zero Zero Three

 

~Descend via the ARLIN3 arrival   Cleared direct to MOHAK   Descend and Maintain Flight Level Two Five Zero Altimeter is Three Zero Zero Three Southwest One Two Three Four

 

NextWpt: JUDTH

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact APP/DEP APPROACH  on One Two Four Point One,  have a good afternoon

 

~Approach on One Two Four Point One Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four Inbound an Fly Heading Two Five Zero;  the Request ILS Approach to Runway Five Zero Center;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Radar Contact.  Expect ILS to Runway Zero Seven Left at PHOENIX SKY HARBOR INTERNATIONAL  Altimeter is Three Zero Zero Three

 

~Expecting ILS to Runway Zero Seven Left at PHOENIX SKY HARBOR INTERNATIONAL  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

NextWpt: HYDRR

 

 Expecting ILS to Runway Zero Seven Left at PHOENIX SKY HARBOR INTERNATIONAL Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

NextWpt: PAYNT

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Altimeter is Three Zero Zero Four   Descend and Maintain , One One Thousand feet

 

~ Descend and Maintain   One One Thousand feet  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Descend and Maintain One One Thousand Feet Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

NextWpt: ARLIN

 

NextWpt: AMBRR

 

NextWpt: ALEYS

 

Southwest One Two Three Four You are off course. Turn Right Heading Zero Niner Five to return to course.

 

~Turn Right Heading Zero Niner Five  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three FourTurn Right Heading Zero Niner Five

 

~Heading Zero Niner Five  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three FourTurn Right Heading Zero Niner Five

 

~Heading Zero Niner Five  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Expedite your turn to Turn Right Heading Zero Niner Five

 

~Heading Zero Niner Five  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four You are off course. Turn Right Heading Zero Niner Five to return to course.

 

~Turn Right Heading Zero Niner Five  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

State Change to: ClearedForApproach

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Cleared for the ILS to Runway Zero Seven Left at PHOENIX SKY HARBOR INTERNATIONAL  Contact tower on One One Eight Point Seven,  enjoy your evening

 

~Cleared for the ILS to Runway Zero Seven Left Tower on One One Eight Point Seven Southwest One Two Three Four

 

NextWpt: TUKEE

 

 

 

 

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 870]

Thanks for the detail report.  We'll definitely test it out and see what's going on with it.

 

On the question of reporting in, under Report, there should be a phrase named Current Altitude, or another one named To Altitude. 

 

It should yield "Southwest 1234 at FL 270."  , assuming you are level at that altitude.  The To Altitude one would have something like "Souhtwest 1234 climbing to FL 270".

 

Thanks,

Dave

[sbclark 55]

Hi Dave,

 

I'm still having an issue with being stranded at a given altitude and being passed off from departure to center;

 

I was cleared to 8,000.............but left hanging there at 8K for a while. The eventually I was cleared to 15,000, but left hanging......after a long while I paused the sim and stopped flying. In addition, it seems I'm not being handed off from departure, to center #1, to the next center #2, etc., in a timely manner. This is the second flight I have taken since the you came out with version 2.0.0.2......experienced this on both flights.

 

I'm sure I'm not doing everything as quickly as I should, or even correctly. So I have some user interface suggestions I would like to propose:

 

1) The Com Freq dialog box when you update the standby frequency, appears in the upper right hand corner of the display. From a visual perspective, it may be handier if it appeared just above the com/nav freq display in the lower left hand corner. I run a full display on a network PC

 

2) A couple of things to speed up use of the "Gramer Help" tool. Set up a joystick or key stroke for the so we can quickly bring up the dialog box.

 

I feel really pressed for time to respond!!!

 

Bill Clark

 

 

 

Simulator Connected

 

Recognition Engine Installed

 

Grammars Loaded

 

NextWpt: BROWS

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready to Copy IFR Clearance;

 

State Change to: FlightPlanDelivered

 

Southwest One Two Three Four is cleared to Kilo Papa Hotel XRay, fly the BRDR6 departure , with the IPL transition , then as filed.   Maintain , Eight Thousand feet . Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure  Departure on One One Niner Point Six Squawk Six Six Two Zero

 

~Southwest One Two Three Four is cleared to Kilo Papa Hotel XRay, fly the BRDR6 departure , with the IPL transition , then as filed.   Maintain , Eight Thousand feet . Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure  Departure on One One Niner Point Six Squawk Six Six Two Zero

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four is Cleared to Kilo Papa Hotel XRay fly the BRDR6 departure with the IPL transition then as filed Maintain Eight Thousand Feet Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure Departure on One One Niner Point Six Squawk Six Six Two Zero;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Readback Correct.  Altimeter is Three Zero Zero Eight Contact Ground on One Two Three Point Niner when ready for pushback  enjoy your morning

 

~ Altimeter is Three Zero Zero Eight Ground on One Two Three Point Niner Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready for Engine Start;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Engine start approved

 

~ Engine start approved  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Engine Start Approved Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready for taxi;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four go ahead.

 

Make or repeat your request. Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four Ready to Taxi;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Standby

 

State Change to: TaxiOut

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Taxi to Runway Zero Nine Via Taxiways Bravo,  Hold Short Runway Zero Nine

 

~ Taxi to Runway Zero Nine Via Taxiways Bravo,  Hold Short Runway Zero Nine Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Taxi to Runway Zero Nine via Taxiways Bravo Hold Short Runway Zero Nine Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

State Change to: AtDepartureRunway

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact Tower on One One Eight Point Three,  goodday

 

~Tower on One One Eight Point Three Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Tower on One One Eight Point Three Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four Number One for Departure Runway Zero Nine;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact Tower on One One Eight Point Three

 

~Tower on One One Eight Point Three  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four is Number One for Departure Runway Zero Nine;

 

State Change to: TakeoffIFR

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Whinds are calm  Cleared for takeoff, Runway Zero Nine

 

~Cleared for takeoff, Runway Zero Nine Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Cleared for Takeoff Runway Zero Nine Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact Center on One Two Eight Point One Five,  have a good morning

 

~Center on One Two Eight Point One Five,  enjoy your morning  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four at Altitude Five Thousand Five Hundred Feet;

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Maintain , Eight Thousand feet

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four At Eight Thousand Feet;

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four At Eight Thousand Feet;

 

State Change to: DepartureIFR

 

Southwest One Two Three Four  good morning .  Radar Contact.

 

State Change to: EnRouteIFR

 

Southwest One Two Three Four Contact LOS ANGELES CENTER  on One Two Eight Point Six,  have a good morning

 

~Center on One Two Eight Point Six take care  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

Southwest One Two Three Four  Climb and Maintain , One Five Thousand feet

 

~ Climb and Maintain   One Five Thousand feet  Southwest One Two Three Four

 

NextWpt: IPL50

 

 Climb and Maintain One Five Thousand Feet Southwest One Two Three Four;

 

NextWpt: IPL

 

 Southwest One Two Three Four At Fifteen Thousand Feet;

 

 

 

 

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 870]

Thanks Bill.

I'll be getting with you to get more detail.  It seemed to work for me on a test flight, but there could be  a lot of differences.

 

Dave

[Maury Pratt 5]

Thanks Bill.

I'll be getting with you to get more detail.  It seemed to work for me on a test flight, but there could be  a lot of differences.

 

Dave

On my 3rd try today with P2A v2002 I had a (mostly) successful flight San Diego to Phoenix:

KSAN POGGI5 IPL BZA HOGGZ JUDTH HYDRR HYDRR1 KPHX Rwy 26L Cruise Alt FL330

 

While in contact with PHX Approach flying eastbound past the CHAVO waypoint I expected to receive vectors for the 180 degree turn westbound to join the 26L ILS, but hearing none I continued past the final STAR waypoint LEMOE, at which point the FMS' "next line" went to "vector". Still hearing nothing I dialed-in the 26L freq/course and initiated the turn myself, followed with LOC and APPR on the MCP, landing normally -- including switching to Tower when instructed and subsequently hearing a call from Tower "cleared to land ILS 26L, etc.

 

My question is, what became of a call by P2A giving me vectors to align with 26L's glide path? If pilot error, what should I have done instead, and when, to enable vectors to be given? (I was at the FMC assigned altitude and speed throughout.)

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 870]

Maury,

Glad you made it.

Assuming you were flying the STAR arrival, you should have received a "Cleared for ILS approach to runway 26L" from Approach Control before they passed you over to tower.  That was your clearance to fly to the IAF.  Then when you contact tower, they should tell you to call when established on final. 

 

If you want a vector, you can request vectors to the ILS something like "<CallSign> request vectors for ILS to Runway 26 Left" and you then should receive vectors direct to the IAF, bypassing any intervening waypoints. This would require a quick DirectTo on the FMS and then you could use a DirectTo on P2A to get it to show on the map.

 

The vectoring function is pretty rough right now, so I would suggest holding off before exercising it too much.  I'm hoping to smooth it out for the next update.

 

Thanks for the PIREP,

Dave