Thanks J...thats what i thought, as i stated in the PRO ATC forums....so all this for nothing....its exactly what we want      

Hi Jeroen

 

I think there is something else going on here with the problems you are encountering with ProATC and PFPX. I use them both together and pretty much always get the exact same runway and SID in both programmes.

 

Although you haven't said so in this thread, I believe in another thread of yours I read recently, you said you only use the historical weather feature in ASN. Is that correct? If so that will be the issue. Pro ATC I think uses the weather that is in the Sim so would use the historical weather. However, I am sure that PFPX only uses the current weather that ASN downloads. At least, it appears to me to do that. I checked some METARs on the PFPX map and even if I'm using historical weather, it displays the current METARs. This will create a mismatch in the weather between PFPX and Pro ATC. Perhaps others could confirm if that is the case. It certainly appeared like that to me and as a consequence, I have only been using live weather in ASN and it has eliminated that problem.

 

I hope that helps. By the way, I totally understand the frustration when you are all set to enjoy a free afternoon of flying only to have various addons not get on well together to ruin the experience! Ah the joys of flight simming eh!

 

Cheers

Stu

other ATC addons force you to plan almost everything yourself beforehand which I don't like at all.

 

Not all of them Jeroen,

VoxATC assigns Sids and Stars on the fly and also (unlike ProATC) uses correct ATC phraseology, supports both IFR and VFR flight plus it generates and completely controls it's own Ai.

You also get to talk to it as you would real world ATC, none of this pressing keys to reply you simply speak to the controllers as in real life, very immersive.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlc73x8IdaQ#t=71

I hope that helps. By the way, I totally understand the frustration when you are all set to enjoy a free afternoon of flying only to have various addons not get on well together to ruin the experience! Ah the joys of flight simming eh!

 

 

LOL Yes, indeed...  :wink: Concerning PFPX and ASN: I will check that although it isn't a real problem anymore because by now I know how to import a PFPX plan into ProATC without ProATC changing it completely: it will only change the SID and STAR and although at first I thought that was wrong I now see that's okay and even better. Using real weather all the time isn't an option for me (because I don't like to fly in the snow and dark for months and months  :wink: ).

 

Yesterday I said I would forget about PFPX but because I do like how PFPX adds the load info to the plan I decided to use PFPX for planning and the load sheet after which I will import the plan itself (without SID and STAR) into ProATC and then I save it without changing a thing: this way I get the exact PFPX route but with real time assigned and appropriate runways, SID and STAR.

Another advantage of using PFPX is that it can export the plan with one click directly to the appropriate folders for use in P3D, ProATC as well as the Airbus so I can load it as a company route (unlike the ProATC generated plan the PFPX shows up in the MCDU with the proper name which is more fun and I won't have to type PROATCXCLR every time after clearance. :wink: I also like to load the plan before getting clearance because using the ProATC method I have to do and remember too much when getting clearance. With the plan already loaded it is far easier to quickly select the right runway and SID.)

 

 

Not all of them Jeroen,

VoxATC assigns Sids and Stars on the fly and also (unlike ProATC) uses correct ATC phraseology, supports both IFR and VFR flight plus it generates and completely controls it's own Ai.

You also get to talk to it as you would real world ATC, none of this pressing keys to reply you simply speak to the controllers as in real life, very immersive.

 

Thanks for the tip and although it sounds okay the actual talking is a no go for me due to circumstances. 

LOL Yes, indeed...  :wink: Concerning PFPX and ASN: I will check that although it isn't a real problem anymore because by now I know how to import a PFPX plan into ProATC without ProATC changing it completely: it will only change the SID and STAR and although at first I thought that was wrong I now see that's okay and even better. Using real weather all the time isn't an option for me (because I don't like to fly in the snow and dark for months and months  :wink: ).

 

Yesterday I said I would forget about PFPX but because I do like how PFPX adds the load info to the plan I decided to use PFPX for planning and the load sheet after which I will import the plan itself (without SID and STAR) into ProATC and then I save it without changing a thing: this way I get the exact PFPX route but with real time assigned and appropriate runways, SID and STAR.

Another advantage of using PFPX is that it can export the plan with one click directly to the appropriate folders for use in P3D, ProATC as well as the Airbus so I can load it as a company route (unlike the ProATC generated plan the PFPX shows up in the MCDU with the proper name which is more fun and I won't have to type PROATCXCLR every time after clearance. :wink: I also like to load the plan before getting clearance because using the ProATC method I have to do and remember too much when getting clearance. With the plan already loaded it is far easier to quickly select the right runway and SID.)

 

 

 

Thanks for the tip and although it sounds okay the actual talking is a no go for me due to circumstances. 

 

First regarding voice activation, I have two programs that use Voice activation and button control and I have used them both ways. After awhile, to me, voice activation becomes a real PIA. YOu have to wear a headset to use it which I find annoying after awhile, and sometimes it misunderstands your commands, which can require multiple repeats to get it right ( and I was a radio announcer for a couple of years, so I know this is not any problem with my speech). I finally just stopped using voice activation all together and enjoy it much more. 

 

As far as flying in the snow and dark, just pick an area to fly where it isn't snowing and start your flight in the daylight hours which has no effect on the weather. I actually prefer flying in bad weather, so before starting a VA flight I look for T storms, snow storms, etc, and then find an airport in that area on the weather map. Love flying in bad weather many times. I live very near Atlanta airport, and sometimes when thunderstorms are in my area, I pick a flight with the arrival in Atlanta using ASN. Fun!!!

I have near 100% recognition with VoxATC, but it was not always this way.

The biggest thing that helped me was getting away from internal sound cards altogether and buying a good USB sound card capable of high sample rates, the difference was night and day.

Coupled with a good Mic I very rarely have to repeat anything now.

The headset thing being an annoyance I can understand but given that I need one for TrackIR's Trackclip it's something that I have to come to terms with.

 

VoxATC at this point in it's development it's amazing, the procedures are as close to real world as you will get and the dynamically issued Sids and Stars work really well.

 

For those flying in UK airspace the VoxATC UK expansion is the most realistic ATC you can buy.

 

The VoxATC UK expansion is a must have if flying in the UK is being simulated especially if you are a real world pilot or student pilot wanting to practice. This expansion follows the CAA document CAP413 very closely. It covers amongst other things: Lower Airspace Radar Service (LARS) Transit of Controlled Airspace and Military Airspace. Many procedures that are specific to the UK such as the danger area crossing services (DACS) VoxATC UK understands the differences between a Radio Service, Flight Information Service and Air Traffic Controller. Basic, Traffic and Deconfliction Services are covered.

Well, actually, I started this topic because I tried to do so but it didn't work LOL

But anyway, I now know that when I import the PFPX plan into ProATC and then ONLY change the SID and STAR to what they were in PFPX and do NOT use the recalculate option in ProATC, the actual PFPX plan is being used in ProATC and P3D. But in the meantime I also found out how to load the ProATC plan into the Airbus (after clearance), which was the main reason for using PFPX, so now all I am left wondering about is: is there a good reason to keep on using PFPX...? Seems it only makes things more complicated, adding extra steps I don't really need. Or is the PFPX plan always far superior to the ProATC plan...?

very very good question. indeed, i have bought  PFPX a long time ago and  like it very must because of the "validation " option to know if the route is valid.

now i want to start with "talking " to ATC via PRO ATCX. (if posible) but only to find out here that if the route is not the same, the ATC can vector me away from the route in the FMC. so... very confusing .