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Question about updating P3D 3.1 to 3.2 with patches only

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Hello,

 

When choosing the Prepar3d patch update only route (non-full reinstall), we are given the option to update the client only or, in addition, update the scenery and content components as well with separate individual patches.     The official P3D installation guide only specifies to firstly uninstall the 3.1 client before installing the new 3.2 client, however there are no instructions to uninstall the scenery and content components in P3D 3.1 before installing the newer 3.2 scenery and content components.     

 

Does anyone know the correct procedure I should follow in order to fully update all components to 3.2?       In other worlds, does only the 3.1 client need to be uninstalled beforehand or should I uninstall all three 3.1 components (client, scenery, and content) beforehand?      I really wish Lockheed Martin were a little more specific about this on their P3D website.

 

Thank you,

 

Monty Preston   

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I really wish Lockheed Martin were a little more specific about this on their P3D website

 

 

 

 

From the download instructions:

 

 

•Prepar3D v3 Download/Installation Instructions (578 KB)

 

◦Note: After downloading the Full Download or downloading each of the Individual Components, use the Setup.exe to install Prepar3D. Setup.exe contains all necessary prerequisites and will completely install Prepar3D.

 

Simple - if you want ALL - use setup.exe OR use the installxxxxxx.exe for a specific one.

 

They have recommended from day one to uninstall before reinstall - which also frees up your registration

 

 

Vic

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Hello,

 

When choosing the Prepar3d patch update only route (non-full reinstall), we are given the option to update the client only or, in addition, update the scenery and content components as well with separate individual patches.     The official P3D installation guide only specifies to firstly uninstall the 3.1 client before installing the new 3.2 client, however there are no instructions to uninstall the scenery and content components in P3D 3.1 before installing the newer 3.2 scenery and content components.     

 

Does anyone know the correct procedure I should follow in order to fully update all components to 3.2?       In other worlds, does only the 3.1 client need to be uninstalled beforehand or should I uninstall all three 3.1 components (client, scenery, and content) beforehand?      I really wish Lockheed Martin were a little more specific about this on their P3D website.

 

Thank you,

 

Monty Preston   

 

There's no update to the other components, rather than the client, so you need to uninstall (and install) only the client.

Some people are uninstalling the scenery and the contents are doing it because... well you know.. they feel better doing this or they won't sleep the night worried that a file may have been left behind. :)

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There's no update to the other components, rather than the client, so you need to uninstall (and install) only the client.

That is not accurate. Note that there are three separate "Install_XXX.msi" files.

  1. Uninstall Client
  2. Run Install_Client.msi

Repeat the process for the other two "Install_Content.msi" and "Install_Scenery.msi" scripts only if desired.

 

"Install_Content.msi" requires the cont1.cab file

 

"Install_Scenery.msi" requires the 6 scenen.cab files

 

 

 

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That is not accurate. Note that there are three separate "Install_XXX.msi" files.

 

What I wrote IS accurate, the installers you are mentioning are part of the full install, while the upgrade from 3.1 to 3.2 is performed by uninstalling and installing only the client.

Excuse me but it's because of the messages like yours that people are confused as hell, and they are asking the same question zillions of times, when the operation is so easy: if you are running p3d v3.1 and you want to upgrade to v3.2 - Uninstall the client only and install the client only (Install_Client.msi), forget the other installers, unless you have others specific issues, or if you want to play the old man who circle around his car 10 times after have parked it, before going back to sleep.

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Uninstall Client

Run Install_Client.msi

 

Repeat the process for the other two "Install_Content.msi" and "Install_Scenery.msi" scripts only if desired.

 

"Install_Content.msi" requires the cont1.cab file

 

"Install_Scenery.msi" requires the 6 scenen.cab files

 

 

Aha, Fr. Bill you have explained it perfectly.     What was confusing me were the .cab files for the scenery update component (I only downloaded the .msi updater and not all the necessary .cabs for the scenery).      In short, uninstall each component you wish to update before installing the new version.    Pretty simple as everything follows the same procedure for the client only update process.    Thank you sir!

 

I really don't think updating the scenery component via an update patch is anywhere worth it for those of us doing an upgrade only, rather than a full reinstall.     I'm just trying to keep all my addons intact in the process of upgrading via patches only.      Thanks again.   

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No my friend, it is because of people like YOU that others get confused. You are flat out wrong.

 

Do you understand the difference between REQUIRED and OPTIONAL?

 

It is REQUIRED to install the client to do the update. BUT there are OTHER FILES CHANGED that are OPTIONAL.

 

You stated that no other files are changed - untrue. The newly changed OPTIONAL files are not necessary to run P3D thus they are not required BUT if you want all or part of them, you need to run content and scenery OR run setup.exe and do the full install.

 

Someone with 16 whole posts chastising a member with over 13,000 posts as not being helpful.....

 

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No my friend, it is because of people like YOU that others get confused. You are flat out wrong.

 

Do you understand the difference between REQUIRED and OPTIONAL?

 

It is REQUIRED to install the client to do the update. BUT there are OTHER FILES CHANGED that are OPTIONAL.

 

You stated that no other files are changed - untrue. The newly changed OPTIONAL files are not necessary to run P3D thus they are not required BUT if you want all or part of them, you need to run content and scenery OR run setup.exe and do the full install.

 

Someone with 16 whole posts chastising a member with over 13,000 posts as not being helpful.....

 

Vic

 

Please post here the official changes made by the other two installers, if you don't have this information and all the above comes from your "ideas" then you're spreading misinformation.

This is not related to have 13 millions posts or just 10, it's a matter of being able to read the instructions, instead of spreading paranoia.

Again, write here what are those changes applied by the other two installers, so people can decide if updating the whole thing is worth it.

Thank you.

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I will be happy to referee any and all forum infighting and/or disagreements this thread has caused, but first I will need sugar for stamina.  

 

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Instead of starting an unnecessary war lets just be helpful.

 

The jist of it:

 

Client is required to update your version to 3.2 and it makes the most important changes.

 

Content is neccessary if you use addons that require in game menus such as GSX and ASN. Edit : There are already a few threads describing this issue. You would need to backup your Autogen folder if you have external scenery addons installed and decide to install the content. 

 

Scenery is the least impactful and maybe only helpful if you run default scenery as opposed to ORBX or any other scenery addon.

 

If time is not a problem for you then go ahead and install all it won't do any harm (at least till now there are no issues). Or better still go do a full reinstall.

 

 

By the way I have to say this. All the number of posts say about a member is either :

 

a ) He is a very helpful or active person

 

b ) He has a lot of free time on his hands

 

Lets not make it into a reptutation kind of thing. This forum does not have any of those points systems, just number of posts. So don't flame others just cause you have thousands of posts. They are not any less smart then you are.

 

Regards,

Shanan

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What happens if you install 3.2 over top of 3.1 en toto?  That is, w/o first uninstalling?

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It will screw up the registration Noel. You'd have to contact LM and have them reset, if they will, else, uninstall ands reinstall.

 

Vic


Please post here the official changes made by the other two installers


Since you must have missed the post in THIS forum:

http://www.avsim.com/topic/484789-prepar3d-v32-update-release-notes/

LM doesn't list the individual FILES for several reasons but you will see that HAVE indicated changes in both CONTENT and SCENERY which are optional.

So again, your information that they changed no files other than client is incorrect.

Vic

Lets not make it into a reptutation kind of thing. This forum does not have any of those points systems, just number of posts. So don't flame others just cause you have thousands of posts. They are not any less smart then you are.


First - if you've been around here for a while you would know who Fr Bill is and why his information is usually spot on. The fact that he has thousands of posts is secondary.

Second - it's not a question of who is smarter - an incorrect post was made that gave misinformation - it was corrected - that is not flaming - just a statement of fact using the tone of the original post.

Now, let's move on to discussing P3D so we don't have to shut this thread down.

Vic

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Please post here the official changes made by the other two installers, if you don't have this information and all the above comes from your "ideas" then you're spreading misinformation.

 

Did you read the patch notes from LM? http://prepar3d.com/SDKv3/LearningCenter/what_is_new/new_v32.html

 

There you can clearly see, that "Prepar3d Client", "Prepar3d Content", "Prepar3d Scenery" and "Prepar3d SDK" all received some updates. But as stated here by Vic, besides the updates within "Prepar3d Client", all others are optional.

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Did you read the patch notes from LM? http://prepar3d.com/SDKv3/LearningCenter/what_is_new/new_v32.html

 

There you can clearly see, that "Prepar3d Client", "Prepar3d Content", "Prepar3d Scenery" and "Prepar3d SDK" all received some updates. But as stated here by Vic, besides the updates within "Prepar3d Client", all others are optional.

 

I did and that's why I'm saying why people are suggesting to install all the three parts when all the changes have been made to the client? If you scroll the list down, the only practical change that affects the other module is "Improved vegetation alpha to coverage".

I'm not criticizing those who clearly say how things works, I'm only "against" those who suggest to format the PC because the mouse stopped to work... for the god sake, first check if it's the driver before inviting persons to waste two days to install all their stuff back. :)

 

@Noel: it wouldn't work, I think someone posted about it already.. the installer will find the previous installation or something like that.. anyway why you would do that?

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No, you did not say it like that, you said:

 

There's no update to the other components, rather than the client, so you need to uninstall (and install) only the client.

 

And this is simply wrong. You are absolutely right about the fact that the other components such as "Component", "Scenery" and "SDK" are not needed, but nothing else Vic was saying.

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A comprehensive 'bible' on the subject has just recently been pinnerd here at the top of Avsim P3D forum (THANK YOU Elaine):

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/484945-how-do-i-update-prepar3d-v3-using-the-new-installers/

 

Everything one could possibly want to know about the update and/or reinstall process from 3.1 to 3.2 is explicitly detailed and expertly illustrated.    Life is good and all the villagers have been saved.    :dance:

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Someone PLEASE tell me why we need multiple threads about the P3D v3.2 update, despite the fact that those threads ALWAYS start arguments over who is right?  We currently have a thread about v3.2 that has well over 500 responses, and in those (I've read about 3/4 of them so far, quite a few are people arguing about the proper way to install the update.

 

My advice, got to LM, read what they have posted for the update. If you still aren't sure, ask THEM to clarify since they are the ones who created P3D.

 

-Jim

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Someone PLEASE tell me why we need multiple threads about the P3D v3.2 update, despite the fact that those threads ALWAYS start arguments over who is right?  We currently have a thread about v3.2 that has well over 500 responses, and in those (I've read about 3/4 of them so far, quite a few are people arguing about the proper way to install the update.

 

My advice, got to LM, read what they have posted for the update. If you still aren't sure, ask THEM to clarify since they are the ones who created P3D.

 

-Jim

 

the Information on LM's forum is severely lacking. They don't address issues with programs like GSX, they mention nothing about which files to back up and over write. LM is  focused on P3D and not all the addons that users have installed in P3D and which are how they are  affected by moving to 3.2 

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the Information on LM's forum is severely lacking. They don't address issues with programs like GSX, they mention nothing about which files to back up and over write. LM is  focused on P3D and not all the addons that users have installed in P3D and which are how they are  affected by moving to 3.2 

I understand that Bob, but the title of the thread was to discuss the upgrade, not about add-ons.  I do see a lot of folks upset about add-ons not working but that isn't LM's problem.

 

-Jim

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I understand that Bob, but the title of the thread was to discuss the upgrade, not about add-ons.  I do see a lot of folks upset about add-ons not working but that isn't LM's problem.

 

-Jim

 

 

I would bet that the percentage of P3D users that don't have any addons is miniscule.   The  vast majority of questions that are posted on these lengthy  3.2 threads so far are  what  3.2 breaks and how to fix it. I love the addons I use, and if any of them are broken by the "simple client upgrade", I want to know about it before installing something that possibly may cause problems. LM's attitude, if you read their forum, is "If you have trouble with an addon, that's not our problem".  

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I would bet that the percentage of P3D users that don't have any addons is miniscule.   The  vast majority of questions that are posted on these lengthy  3.2 threads so far are  what  3.2 breaks and how to fix it. I love the addons I use, and if any of them are broken by the "simple client upgrade", I want to know about it before installing something that possibly may cause problems. LM's attitude, if you read their forum, is "If you have trouble with an addon, that's not our problem".  

I doubt it is LM's software that is breaking anything.  More to the fact that when an add-on is "broken", it is usually the developer that needs to catch up.  Case in point, I have a lot of ORBX scenery installed in P3D.  With the recent upgrade to v3.2, I now get the Objectflow error, but recent history always suggests that until ORBX updates their Objectflow file, you should not allow the sim to run it.  I don't blame LM for the error...heck it was ME who decided to upgrade, not knowing fully if all of my add-ons were already compatible or if the developer already made updates.  Sure, it sucks when LM posts updates, not informing developers prior, in order to restore harmony and balance to the FS world, but again, this does not mean that LM broke anything, just that the developer needs to provide updates that will work with the update.

 

As for information, you can get assumptions, guesses and theories but until you get the right information, straight from the horse mouth, issues may continue.

 

-Jim

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It will screw up the registration Noel. You'd have to contact LM and have them reset, if they will, else, uninstall ands reinstall.
 
Vic

 

OK, well I did uninstall all three components, and delightfully only had to reinstall FTX Global so far.   I had installed a few FTX regionals and airports prior to 3.2, they seem fine, but had not yet installed GTX nor FSDT airports, so those went in after 3.2.  In any case I'm duly impressed w/ 3.2 it is remarkably better in overall performance.  I'm delighted to learn no way I need to upgrade any of the box which is a full 3y old now.  To have total smoothness our of KPHX-HD to KSFO-HD in the NGX is brand new for me.   The sim is def smoother on the low end of frame rate now whereas previously any time I got down to a low of 22 it was generally accompanied by more stuttering behavior.  Much much less so now and most of the time taxiing around both of those airports I'm seeing 27 or so FPS in that plane, which is truly remarkable.    

 

Flying the complex birds thru regionals gets dicy so I'll continue using low impact planes in regionals which is fine because in tubes you're spending most of the time at elevation so excellent scenery is less important, so it's all good.  Just have to say a prayer my SSD which appears to have suffered from gremlin-induced corruption isn't in the honeymoon phase of a failure in progress.  Tests out fine always and I have maybe 24h of use post reinstall with no troubles at the same overclock so hopefully it's going to stay that way a little longer.  Once I complete all add on installs I will make a clone using Paragon.  I had forgotten how much hassle and time is involved w/ setup.

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I guess I just must be lucky. I updated two systems W10 with ORBX products and W7 with GEXP3D.

 

I uninstalled the client, then content, then scenery. I left all my folders in place - Reboot - run client install - run content install - run scenery install - reboot - delete shaders - check DLL.XML, EXE.XML and P3D.CFG against backups - adjust any specific entries.

 

Run p3d and shut down.  Just had to update FSUIPC, GTN750, ASN and a few others. Ran FTX central and switched back and forth. Ran the GEX/UTX interface which squared away all my entries.  Other than a few default panels that overwrote some custom changes, it was a painless effort. Completed both systems in about 1 1/2 hours.

 

So far, other than known REX/Orbx issues - I have had ZERO problems.

 

Again to hopefully eliminate any confusion -  I updated the content and scenery sections by CHOICE - it is not mandatory - the ONLY update that is needed is the CLIENT.

 

It really is not that confusing!  I really believe that many people are so concerned about screwing up and having to reinstall EVERYTHING, that they are making it really difficult on themselves.

 

Vic

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It took 5 minutes to update content and client. I really don't understand the confusion.

 

I updated fsupic, Latest addon manager, and when released ASN. This is with FTX Gloabal, UTX, and a variety of addon airports.

 

I didn't have to reboot or run as admin or disable any AV it just installed and worked. This is with Windows 10.

 

Guess I'm just one of the lucky ones.

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I guess I just must be lucky. 

 

No Vic,

 

You just used common sense - something that is severely lacking around here ... 

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