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Future of the J41?

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First of all, I want to say I'm not really asking for an official response here. Just putting my thoughts out there.

 

That being said, I just went through the arduous process of setting up a new PC, and installing all my flight simulator software.

One of the pieces of software being installed being the PMDG Jetstream 41.

 

Having installed FSX:SE instead of the disk version, got me thinking about what might be the future of the J41.

 

It was the first PMDG aircraft I ever flew, the aircraft on which I learned to do some semi-realistic fuel planning, the first add-on for which I got FS2Crew... And I still love it dearly. But it isn't available for P3D. It has a (admittedly minor) issue in FSX:SE. And it still has some issues that were going to be fixed in the never released SP2.

But even with all that, it's a small propliner which keeps me entertained, and has given me hours and hours of enjoyment.

 

Thinking about all that made me decide to throw my thoughts out there.

 

I would love for the J41 to have a sustained future... Official support for FSX:SE, a version for P3D, the legacy issues being fixed. Maybe even some general improvements being made.

In short, I'd love to see a small patch being created... Or that SP2 appearing after all... Or maybe even a PMDG J41 V2... I can dream, can't I? :wink:

 

Now, before anyone answers, I'm aware of the economic realities of these ideas.
No company can survive by just keeping old projects alive which no longer bring in money. And service packs don't bring in money, certainly not for an old project.

PMDG is most definitely a company which I'd prefer to see survive and thrive.

 

I hope I can voice this opinion without this topic resulting in demands being made or a bunch of name-calling...

 

Thanks...

 

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I agree... very much so.  My hope is that they return to the modifications for FSXSE when able and at the same time port her over to P3D.  I would love to be flying her into Orbx Rocky Mountains or up in Alaska to Cold Bay. I consider her the most enjoyable airplane to fly in the flight simulation world.

 

Doesn't hurt to let your interest show.

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I would pay double for a P3D compatible version of the JS41, still my favorite PMDG aircraft. Like you OP, it was my first, and still my favorite.

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If this was a survey or petition to show interest in an updated jetstream or P3D version, I'd sign it. Like the previous post, I too would pay double. Even half upfront if it goes towards updating the current version to fsx:se while we are waiting.

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No company can survive by just keeping old projects alive which no longer bring in money. And service packs don't bring in money, certainly not for an old project.

 

 

Would it be fair to say that it will in the long run? Continued support of older products that are not yet replaced by newer versions would strengthen confidence in the company that provides it and thus achieve higher sales with future products?

 

Your plea is very well put by the way.

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Thanks for the replies everyone!

 

Would it be fair to say that it will in the long run? Continued support of older products that are not yet replaced by newer versions would strengthen confidence in the company that provides it and thus achieve higher sales with future products?

 

Your plea is very well put by the way.

 

Thanks.

 

Yes, you are most likely right in saying that continued support strengthens confidence in a company. That being said, I think a reputation for quality sells more products than continued support for old products. I also think that in the end, it's a matter of return on investment: developer time and effort (and thus money) being spend on a product that's past much of its shelf life, or on new products which have their entire shelf life (and thus revenue) yet to come.

 

Now I know I'm arguing against my own initial wish here... But it's how I see things. Also, I don't have any internal knowledge of PMDG or any other company for that matter. This is just my reasoning, which may be right or wrong. :wink: (Still wishing for that J41 update I wished for in my initial post though  :wink: )

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Hi,

 

Call me crazy, but I love these big white switches on the overhead and there specific "clac" sound!  :wink:

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...maybe just little update for Steam Edition compatibility :Praying:

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Count me in. Not too many prop aircraft that have the quality the J41 has that handle a decent amount of PAX. I can live with the bugs. Just need a P3D installer. And yes, I'd pay again.

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I would also pay for a P3D version ... as I did already for the PMDG 737-800/900 ​and -600/700.

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Would also pay for a fully fsx:se and p3d compatible aircraft. The j41 is in my opinion one of the best payware aircraft on the market.

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Would also pay for P3D compatability...really miss flying the Eastern Air J41 to & from Scotland

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I wish people would stop going on about how good the J41 is. They keep making me want to buy it :smile: , and I already have the Q400, Metroliner and Fokker F27 in that space. If I ever did take the PMDG plunge, though, that's probably where I'd start...however, buying it again if I switch to P3D at some point doesn't have much appeal.

 

(I was a passenger on one twice between Dublin and Newcastle.)

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(I was a passenger on one twice between Dublin and Newcastle.)

 

Consider this:  The JS4100 was RSR's (PMDG owner) first platform in an airline job.  He loves the airplane and this is reflected in the simulation.  Also, this is not a full study sim product like NGX and 777 and has a price tag that is very reasonable.

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Sadly they didn't even do that SP that was rumored years ago, I doubt they'll do a P3D version. But we can still hope, right :)

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Consider this:  The JS4100 was RSR's (PMDG owner) first platform in an airline job.  He loves the airplane and this is reflected in the simulation.  Also, this is not a full study sim product like NGX and 777 and has a price tag that is very reasonable.

 

How far short of a full study sim is it?

 

I'm not querying the price. I've come close to pulling the purchase trigger a few times. I'm a bit like George Bush..."Read my lips...no new aircraft add-ons..." until I buy (yet) another one...

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Just took it out of my hanger after many years. What a jewel it is.

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How far short of a full study sim is it?

 

The systems modelling is not as in depth, for example you actually use the FSX UI to set fuel and payload and it doesn't have the failure modes modelling of full study sims. However, they did not make this a "cheap" aircraft simulation.  Extensive work went into getting the geared Garretts to be realistic, in fact almost everybody has to destroy an engine before they gain the experience necessary to start those beasts.  The FMS in this airplane is less complex due to the time frame it was in extensive operation, back then the FMS had GPS but was not certified for IFR use of it.  You'll be using VORs again.

 

The plane is just plain fun to fly. Bottom line.

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Sadly, I am with you on this. I have no objection to paying a reasonable amount to support the upgrade, however they did not need to start from scratch and do the work all over again for the P3D version, so I also refuse to pay full price when I have already done so once. They have fully lost me as a customer with this policy.

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Sadly, I am with you on this. I have no objection to paying a reasonable amount to support the upgrade, however they did not need to start from scratch and do the work all over again for the P3D version, so I also refuse to pay full price when I have already done so once. They have fully lost me as a customer with this policy.

 

Interesting that you're still here...

 

Also: It's not an upgrade. P3D and FSX are entirely different platforms for entirely different markets. Anyone telling you otherwise is a walking example of cognitive dissonance.

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Interesting that you're still here...

 

Also: It's not an upgrade. P3D and FSX are entirely different platforms for entirely different markets. Anyone telling you otherwise is a walking example of cognitive dissonance.

I know what you're saying here but.. did they spend the same amount of time developing P3D version as they did developing FSX version or even close? Some developers didn't charge a single $€ for P3D versions, some charged upgrade (yes, upgrade ;) price and some full price. It's their choice what to do. Telling people just one of these approaches is correct is as bad as demanding from developers they should choose one of those.

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I know what you're saying here but.. did they spend the same amount of time developing P3D version as they did developing FSX version or even close? Some developers didn't charge a single $€ for P3D versions, some charged upgrade (yes, upgrade ;) price and some full price. It's their choice what to do. Telling people just one of these approaches is correct is as bad as demanding from developers they should choose one of those.

 

What other developers do is their choice, however, most people fail to recognize that the simple fact that FSX and P3D exist to serve different markets and purposes causes developers to incur costs unique to the platform.

 

As an example, if I were to create a weather add-on, I might not incur any unique licensing issues because I don't need to license my data from Mother Nature, and a lot of the government-provided resources out there. Therefore, I may realistically charge a single price for my product. Other types of add-ons, however, depend on the stipulations of the license.

 

This really isn't all that complicated. Again, it's rather simple. It's just that people don't want to step back for a moment to consider why reality is the way it is. Doing so would force them to acknowledge what they don't want to acknowledge.

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What other developers do is their choice, however, most people fail to recognize that the simple fact that FSX and P3D exist to serve different markets and purposes causes developers to incur costs unique to the platform.

 

As an example, if I were to create a weather add-on, I might not incur any unique licensing issues because I don't need to license my data from Mother Nature, and a lot of the government-provided resources out there. Therefore, I may realistically charge a single price for my product. Other types of add-ons, however, depend on the stipulations of the license.

 

This really isn't all that complicated. Again, it's rather simple. It's just that people don't want to step back for a moment to consider why reality is the way it is. Doing so would force them to acknowledge what they don't want to acknowledge.

Aerosoft, for example, charges only once for their Airbus products for all platforms (FSX, FSX:SE, P3D). Just saying ;)

Other than that, I completely agree with you! As I said, it's developers choice what to do, I just wanted to point out that since different developers chose different approaches how to sell their products is clearly no right or wrong strategy.. or are some developers in violation of some agreements and licenses because of that?

 

Back to the topic.. many of us would really like to see that amazing J41 in P3D :wink: It was one of the best aircraft I had in my FSX hangar.

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