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Elaine, I could use your help again with Tongass

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Hi Elaine, I tried to install Tongass using a method recommended by someone at Orbx, I can post the link if you'd like.

 

I can get it to install, it installed the files in my P3D root as a folder called FSaddons, as it should.

 

Ok so far so good.

 

But when I looked in my P3D terrain.cfg file there was nothing.

So I looked in the FSX terrain.cfg file and I saw it had installed it there, in that file I had a bunch of FSX add-ons, )naturally as it's FSX's) but at the very bottom I had the directory location for P3D.

 

So I ran P3D, opened the Scenery Library and manually added them in making sure Upper Tongass was higher than Lower Tongass.

 

But try as I might all the airports were a mess.

I ran the Vector config tool.  No change.

Enabled or disabled the offending airports with the Vector tool, no change.

 

So I uninstalled it completely from my PC.  FSX and P3D.  I made sure there were no entires in the Scenery libraries of either FSX or P3D.

Made sure there were no entries in FSX or P3D's terrain.cfg files.

When I uninstalled it I used the Control Panel as there's no uninstaller.

 

So I am ready to try again but I fear it might modify the FSX terrain.cfg again and not the P3D.

 

I do not and will not use the migration tool.  Ever.  Again.  Never.  Not even on my PC so forget it Richard.  Not being snarky it's I just don't want to use that tool.

 

I even had it layered correctly in FTX Central right smack between FTX and OTC.

 

Any ideas because others have it working fine.

 

P3D 3.2

 

Thanks Elaine.

 

 

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I do not and will not use the migration tool.  Ever.  Again.  Never.  Not even on my PC so forget it Richard.  Not being snarky it's I just don't want to use that tool.

 

 

No problem Jack  :wink:

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Hi Jack -  Sorry, I'm not Elaine but perhaps I can help. I am assuming you are trying to install Tongass Fjords. If that is the case, all you need to is copy/paste the entries that were installed in the FSX terrain.cfg file into the P3D file - make sure the numbers are in correct order. I am pretty sure you can then delete them from the FSX file but back it up, JIC.

 

All the other steps should be the same.

 

If you are talking about a different scenery - my apologies.

 

So to clarify - repeat what you did initially and copy the added entries from FSX terrain.cfg to P3D terrain.cfg ensuring all the numbers are in sequence.

 

Then just follow the normal installation steps.

 

Vic

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Hi Vic, yes, Tongass Fjords by Holger. I read a lot of posts here at AVSIM about this very installation and it seems very difficult.

 

Someone named 4L0M responded but it's not here! I was going to tell them I made it clear I won't want to use that tool.

 

Anyway, I did as you suggest yesterday but the aiports in that scenery were really messsed up, land incorrectly above the runway, floating in trees etc.

 

When you say then just follow the normal installation steps, I don't undestand what you mean. Wouldn't I have already followed the steps if I ran the installer?

 

I'm really confused about this.

 

And I though of something last night, how about if I try something like this.

Say I remove the original terrrain.cfg file fom FSX's folder and save it to desktop, then make a copy of the P3D file and place IT in the FSX's folder so when I run it it might add the lines to the P3D one? Kind of like tricking it? THEN taking that file and placing it back in the P3D folder.

Or would that confuse the whole works?

Yesterday I got all the files to install to FSAddons but the airports were all goofed up.

 

Thank you Vic for helping by the way.

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Just curious as to why admins deleted my post, when it was by far the easiest solution and actually works?

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Hello 4L,

 

I would imagine because I made it clear in my original post..."I do not and will not use the migration tool. Ever. Again. Never. Not even on my PC" that I want nothing to do with that tool.

 

Maybe you read it fast and missed it? I tend to do that myself at times. I appreciate your help in offering a soultion but I really don't want to use that tool. Here on AVSIM there's a locked thread I read today about how it can really corrupt a system so I want to steer clear of it. I know there's a lot of opinions on it but I just don't want to use it.

 

I prefer the way Elaine does things, it's very logical and the way she presents it with screenshots helps a person like myself who's not comfortable manually doing things like this.

 

Nothing perrsonal 4L.

 

Best regards,

 

Jack

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Hello 4L,

 

I would imagine because I made it clear in my original post..."I do not and will not use the migration tool. Ever. Again. Never. Not even on my PC" that I want nothing to do with that tool.

 

Maybe you read it fast and missed it? I tend to do that myself at times. I appreciate your help in offering a soultion but I really don't want to use that tool. Here on AVSIM there's a locked thread I read today about how it can really corrupt a system so I want to steer clear of it. I know there's a lot of opinions on it but I just don't want to use it.

 

I prefer the way Elaine does things, it's very logical and the way she presents it with screenshots helps a person like myself who's not comfortable manually doing things like this.

 

Nothing perrsonal 4L.

 

Best regards,

 

Jack

Hey Jack,

 

Have you found the Tongass Fjords support forum?  I found it through google, but it helped me get it installed and working great.  Additionally, check out http://www.return.mistymoorings.com/ as they use this scenary a lot and have guides to installing everything.

 

It works and looks great in P3D, and I do remember having to manually add (and number!) entries in the cfg.

 

No EMT is needed  :smile:

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Hey Jack,

 

Have you found the Tongass Fjords support forum?  I found it through google, but it helped me get it installed and working great.  Additionally, check out http://www.return.mistymoorings.com/ as they use this scenary a lot and have guides to installing everything.

 

It works and looks great in P3D, and I do remember having to manually add (and number!) entries in the cfg.

 

No EMT is needed  :smile:

I just went there and now I'm more confused than ever. What is an object library?

I need very specific instructions and they recommend the migration tool.

 

I did get it to install but the problem was the airports were really messed up.

PAFE had so many anomolies it's difficult to describe.

One airport my plane was on an invisible runway hundreds of feet in the air.

Another airport my plane was buried in trees and op top of the trees.

I describe all this in this thread.

Thanks.

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I just went there and now I'm more confused than ever. What is an object library?

I need very specific instructions and they recommend the migration tool.

 

I did get it to install but the problem was the airports were really messed up.

PAFE had so many anomolies it's difficult to describe.

One airport my plane was on an invisible runway hundreds of feet in the air.

Another airport my plane was buried in trees and op top of the trees.

I describe all this in this thread.

Thanks.

Take a peak here:

 

http://fssupport.com/fsaddonforum/index.php?board=7.0

 

This is how I installed it.

 

It sounds like you are having the elevation problems they describe in this post:

 

http://fssupport.com/fsaddonforum/index.php?topic=59.0

 

I followed those steps and it fixed my problems, sounds like same as you are struggling with.

 

Good luck!

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Thanks Allen but I'm afraid even that is light years over my head.

 

I'm just going to give up, it seems way to difficult and I have no idea what I'm doing.

 

I just don't have the knowledge some people have when it comes to this kind of stuff, I can fly and navigate all day but when it comes to this, well, I am clueless.

 

Thank you for trying to help.

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Thanks Allen but I'm afraid even that is light years over my head.

 

I'm just going to give up, it seems way to difficult and I have no idea what I'm doing.

 

I just don't have the knowledge some people have when it comes to this kind of stuff, I can fly and navigate all day but when it comes to this, well, I am clueless.

 

Thank you for trying to help.

Don't give up just yet!  The scenery looks great in P3D.  I'm replying from my smartphone while traveling, otherwise I'd try to help more at my PC with actual folder/file instructions.  The second link I posted sounds like the same problem you are having that I had as well that made everything just look weird.  

 

It's not a hard fix, just changing around some .blg files, I just don't have my setup in front of me to help further.

 

If anyone else could help Jack with this, see my second link posted above.

 

Sorry I couldn't help further Jack.

 

Thanks all!

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Just curious as to why admins deleted my post, when it was by far the easiest solution and actually works?

As the OP specifically said - he did NOT want to use the EMT,  there was no point in getting into a discussion of the EMT.

 

You did nothing wrong.

 

Vic

Jack - The instructions Allen linked are the exact ones I followed to install it . Just take it step by step and you should not have any issues.

 

 

Vic

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Jack,  The links the Guys have provided will do the trick alright.

 

I have Tongass but have not installed it yet.

 

Here is what i know about it.................

 

If you have Prepar3D installed only,   When you Run the Installer and Point it to either your Prepar3D install location or a Different drive it will Create a folder called FSAdon and inside you will have your Lower\Higher Scenery library + Docs + Caches  But it will also Automatically Create a folder in your C Drive Program (x86) called Microsoft Games ► Microsoft Flight Simulator,  Inside this folder will be 4 folders Effects,  Scenery,  Simobjects and Sound,  These folders will have to be Pasted to the Relevant folders,  for Example:  The 8 files in the Scenery folder will have to be moved to Scenery\World\Scenery and so on.

 

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If you have FSX and Prepar3D installed at the same time,  It will still Create a FSAdon folder at a place of your choosing BUT it will find your FSX install location and Install the other 4 folders there. Hence your Scenery problem.  

 

For starters, You will have to located these 8 files and Copy and Paste them to Prepar3D  ► Scenery ► World ► Scenery 

 

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Like i said i haven't really Installed it yet,  But i will put a Guide together in the next week or so. 

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Thanks Elaine, you're absolutly brilliant! I didn't know that about the folders, yes I have both installed. But what's this about temproarily taking out of P3D the Terrain.cfg and Scenery.cfg files I have read about?

 

When I ran the installer it did create FSAddons in the P3D directoru BUT, it added lines to the FSX Terrain.cfg with the P3D directory! Very odd I thought.

 

And I never saw one mention of anything Tongass in either the FSX or P3D Scenery.cfg files.

 

That would be very generous of you to create a guide as it would help a LOT of people, I know because on the forums a lot of people are wondering how to do this. Your guides are the best and easy for a neophyte like me to follow.

 

Thank you

 

Jack

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Some people might say that choosing a topic that reflects the actual content is key to getting good answers.

Some people might say that "Elaine, I could use your help again" is not such a topic.

Some people might even say that it should be nominated as one of the worst topics ever.

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Some people might say that choosing a topic that reflects the actual content is key to getting good answers.

Some people might say that "Elaine, I could use your help again" is not such a topic.

Some people might even say that it should be nominated as one of the worst topics ever.

 

Very interesting observation 

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Some people might say that choosing a topic that reflects the actual content is key to getting good answers.

Some people might say that "Elaine, I could use your help again" is not such a topic.

Some people might even say that it should be nominated as one of the worst topics ever.

Gosh, I'm really sorry you feel this way.

I hope you have a nice day.

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Some people might say that choosing a topic that reflects the actual content is key to getting good answers.

Some people might say that "Elaine, I could use your help again" is not such a topic.

 

Well, yes, it is a good point.  Topic names really are important.  Elaine is a very kind, likable and has become a respected member of our community, so I can certainly understand why someone would reach out to her specifically though in such a case a Private Message may have been then better venue. That said, I'm sure we all realize that we sometimes don't consider such things when we're hours into working a problem and just want some help.

 

The first two observations are technically accurate and really are an important point, though they might have been made a little more tactfully (but it's certainly okay that they weren't as no line was crossed).  But I might have skipped last/third line as it turned a technical observation into something personal (regardless of whether or not it was intended to be), and that's the type of thing we'd like everyone to avoid. 

 

Jack, hat's off to you for your response - really!  It is a great example of how we should all be.

 

Okay - my two cents.  Sorry to get away from the topic my friends.

 

 

My best wishes to everyone for Happy Flights!

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Thank you Dave for your kind words and you were spot on about me wanting Elaine's help as she's very helpful and gracious.

I could and should have reworded it and that's entirely my fault.

As you're a mod perhaps you could change the title to make it more amenable to everyone?

I apologize if I got out of line in any and I stand corrected by your post.

 

Best regards,

 

Jack

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Jack - there will always be 'advisors' to critique posts. Ignore them. Your nondescript title seemed to work didn't it? You might have added "with Tongass scenery install" to make it clearer to the casual observer but you got your answers.  :smile:

 

IMHO, putting a post like this in a PM defeats the purpose of the forums. We can all share in your success or failure and learn from it.

 

Vic

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Just a quick Guide for now and I will do a proper Picture Tutorial next week,  For Prepar3D only and one for a Dual Install. 

 
Regarding only if you have FSX and Prepar3D Installed at the same time.
 
Run the Installer and Point it to your Main Prepar3D folder,  It will Install a folder called FSAdon, inside this folder you will have Tongass Lower\Higher Priority Scenery library's + Docs + Caches.  The Installer will also find your FSX Install Location and Install, Effects,  Scenery,  Simobjects and Sound to your FSX folders. 
 
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                                                                      Click Pictures to Make BIG
 
Your Terrain.cfg 
 
Before you add Entries to your terrain.cfg,  Notice how all the Rivers and Lakes is covered in Green land 
 
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After.....See,  you have nice Rivers and Lakes now 
 
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Go to your Main FSX folder and Locate your Terrain.cfg,  Open it up using Notepad,  Scroll down to the very bottom,  You will Notice 40 Tongass Fjords Entries,  Highlight all of them, the full 40,  Right Click,  Click Copy.
 
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Your going to Paste these Entries to your Prepar3D Terrain.cfg  
 
Go to  ProgramData ► Lockheed Martin ► PreparD v3   Open up your Terrain.cfg,   Paste the 40 Tongass Entries at the Bottom    
 
The 2 terrain.cfg files below side by side are both from Prepar3D.   As you can see from the Image i have already added my Entries  (Right Side)  
 
1 Look at your last Entry, Mine is 422!!   2  Your last Tongass Entry has to Match the DefaultTextureCount  (Top Left)    3 Mine is 422,  So i will change the DefaultTextureCount=383   TO  DefaultTextureCount=422
 
Make sure the Numbers are running correct and you have no Double numbers 
 
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Perfect 
 
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Copy and Pasting from your FSX folders to your Prepar3D folders,  Only Copy and Paste the files boxed in Red
 
 
Airport elevation files. 
 
Go to your FSX folder   FSX ► scenery ► World ► Scenery.   Highlight these files, Click Copy.    Go to Prepar3D  scenery ► World ► Scenery and Paste them into the folder 
 
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Go to your FSX folder   FSX ► scenery ► World ► texture.  Highlight these files, Click Copy.   Go to Prepar3D  scenery ► World ► texture and Paste them into the folder 
 
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Simobjects
 
Go to  FSX  ► Simobjects   Highlight the files, Copy them and Paste them into the Relevant Prepar3D Simobjects folders,  For Example,  FSX Boats into Prepar3D Boats  and so on 
 
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Sound
 
Go to FSX  ► Sound   Highlight the files, Copy them.    Go to Prepar3D ► Sound and Paste them into the folder
 
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Effects 
 
There are 50 Effects in Total, you will know them by looking at the Dates on the Image, They will probably be all bunched together 
 
Go to FSX  ► Effects   Highlight the files (all 50)  Copy them.     Go to Prepar3D ► Effects and Paste them into the folder
 
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Effects\Textures 
 
Go to FSX  ► Effects ► Texture   Highlight the files, Copy them.     Go to Prepar3D ► Effects ► Texture  and Paste them into the folder
 
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Start Prepar3D and add your 2 Tongass Scenery Library's,  Add the Lower and then the Higher.
 
Try that and come back to me   
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Thank you Elaine, I'm away from the PC for a while, I'll get right on it tomorrow morning and get back to you, I'm sure it'll work with excellent instructions like these. I very much appreciate this.

 

Best regards,

 

 

Jack

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Hi Elaine, I'm doing it now.

 

When you say to change the number (your's was 422) to match (your's was 383) do I renumber all 40 Tongass entries till I reach the fortieth one?

 

Or will it renumber itself?

 

My number at the top of the Terrain.cfg file is TextureCount = 1014.

 

Do I renumber all 40 because the last entry BEFORE I added the lines was Texture.1013

Then after pasting the first TextureCount on the pasted Tongass entries is 1161.

 

So do I renumber all 40 to start with number 1014, 1015, and so on down the list of 40.

Or like I said, does it renumber them?

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Yes Jack - start with 1014 and renumber the TF entries. When done change texture count at top to be one more than your last entry.

 

 

Vic

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Yes Jack - start with 1014 and renumber the TF entries. When done change texture count at top to be one more than your last entry.

 

 

Vic

Thanks Vic, so far so good but I ran into something else.

 

I already have most of the 50 files existing.

 

Starting in her list I have from:

fx_HS_FSX_lakewavecontroller.fx

all the way down through

fx_HS_FSX_oceanwaves.fx

 

I did not have the others in my P3D Effects folder.

So do I leave them as they're newer or do I overwrite them?

 

Same goes for:

 

fx_MF_marine_light.... in the Effects > Texture.

So I overwrite this file too?

 

Once I renumber I'm ready to start the sim but I'm not going to do anything until I know I should replace those newer files with the older ones.

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