Is it true Emirates doesn't have the altitude alert sound?

[Budbud 227]

Emirates uses 777-300ER on flight between Doha and Dubai which are less than 1h. All depends on the number of passengers and number of slots available at the airports. In congested airports, it is sometimes easier to schedule less flights with bigger capacities.

[Boeing or not going 578]

For the descent normally the FMC speed is used.

If you notice to be above profile you could open the speed window and use 310 (>10k) before using speed brakes.

On the otherhand if you get closer to the approach and maybe a bit below profile you can use vertical speed to correct.

 

It iwas EK policy to always use the highest level of automation, e.g LNAV/VNAV before using autopilot basic modes like track select and flightpath angle and only then flying without AP.

 

For the approach: Intercepting the ILS with Flaps 5 and speed accordingly gives you enough time to stabilize the aircraft, especially when coming in from a long flight (Unless you are far out).

Glideslope alive select gear down and flaps 20, arm speed brake and display the ECL.

Landing flaps 30 selected latest at 1500 AGL in order to be established at 1000' IMC or 500' AGL.

 

You could handfly the approach and follow the flight director, but mostly we switched off the AP around 1000' according their above mentioned policy.

 

After touch down idle reverse (if possible) and ABS braking.

 

Taxi in: Engines 3' idle, APU running, no narrow turns, acft weight permitting they shut down one engine (normally left)

 

Info about lights to follow

Thanks also for this information. Last questions, in cruise what is the thrust setting, CLB or CRZ? I have listed in the PMDG EK ini setting as CLB. Is that correct? And approaching minimums is "plus hundred" not approaching minimums? What do you set for the mcp speed on takeoff and approach? is it v2 plus 5 or 10, 15? And on approach is it vref plus 5 or 10, etc? Thanks

 

I cannot find many videos of the 773, but youtube has a 772 EK landing, and the altitude callouts are not active for 400-200 and it does say "plus hundred" before minimums. - David Lee

[skelsey 765]

Incidentally -

 

 

 

I was interested in why Emirates would use a 777-300ER on such a short run from India (1800 miles). Wouldn't a 200 series or smaller jet be more efficient? It wasn't even a full flight only approx 280 passengers on board.  

 

I'm not sure it was an ER, was it? I have a feeling it was an older straight -300, which (combined with the high temperatures in DXB) may have contributed to poor GA performance (if, indeed, that is what happened).

[Boeing or not going 578]

Incidentally -

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure it was an ER, was it? I have a feeling it was an older straight -300, which (combined with the high temperatures in DXB) may have contributed to poor GA performance (if, indeed, that is what happened).

It was a non ER 300 built in 2003 https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20160803-0

 

High temperatures and a tailwind with wind shear could have caused it to hit the ground very hard and TOGA was pressed too late. Or some people say the gear was retracted too early. Possibly the aircraft was climbing and hit another burst of wind and landed again on the ground. Only the final reports will say. - David Lee

[longrangecruise 57]

 

 

Thanks also for this information. Last questions, in cruise what is the thrust setting, CLB or CRZ? I have listed in the PMDG EK ini setting as CLB. Is that correct? And approaching minimums is "plus hundred" not approaching minimums? What do you set for the mcp speed on takeoff and approach? is it v2 plus 5 or 10, 15? And on approach is it vref plus 5 or 10, etc? Thanks
 
I cannot find many videos of the 773, but youtube has a 772 EK landing, and the altitude callouts are not active for 400-200 and it does say "plus hundred" before minimums. - David Lee

 

CLB as far as I remember.

Callouts 2500, 1000, 500, approaching minimum, minimum (e.g. set to 200), 100, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10.

MCP set V2. Vref plus 5 for landing

[Boeing or not going 578]

CLB as far as I remember.

Callouts 2500, 1000, 500, approaching minimum, minimum (e.g. set to 200), 100, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10.

MCP set V2. Vref plus 5 for landing

Thank you. If you can sometime to briefly describe the use of all the lights I'd be grateful! I appreciate your help, just landed in Manila in the sim after a nice flight from Dubai. This weekend I am going to use your tips for my next flight, not sure where I will go. Maybe Lagos I like that flight or Nice. Flying in a sim is much fun compared to real life having to bid for routes and adjust your body clock! what were your favorite 77L or 77W routes?  - David Lee

[longrangecruise 57]

Great information, Perry and thanks to David for asking. It's fantastic to get real world airline parameters for our hobby. I'm going to try these on my next Emirates flights to/from Dubai.

 

Thanks man, anytime...I am just a bit energy limited due to my health condition and it may take a while to get back :wink:

Manila in the sim after a nice flight from Dubai. This weekend I am going to use your tips for my next flight, not sure where I will go. Maybe Lagos

 

I also liked to fly to those destinations and often bid for them.

 

 

Emirates uses pretty much Boeing procedures. You can find a lot of information on how to operate the 777 in the PMDG FCOM 1 under Normal Procedures: Amplified Procedures. :smile:

 

Lights:

Nav is always on, even during the day.

Logo only at night.

Beacon before push and engine start.

For taxi: Taxi and turnoffs on.( When stopping intermittently set taxi to off.)

Lineup: LDG lights and strobe on (Some technique is to switch the LDG lights only to on when takeoff clearence received)

10K: LDG lights, taxi light and turnoffs to off. When passing 10k in descent set those to on again.

After vacating the runway set LDG lights and strobe to OFF.

Before turning into a stand set taxi and turnoffs to off.

Shut down engines, beacon off.

[Boeing or not going 578]

Thanks, man, anytime...I am just a bit energy limited due to my health condition and it may take a while to get back :wink:

 

 

I also liked to fly to those destinations and often bid for them.

 

 

Emirates uses pretty much Boeing procedures. You can find a lot of information on how to operate the 777 in the PMDG FCOM 1 under Normal Procedures: Amplified Procedures.  :smile:

 

Lights: 

Nav is always on, even during the day.

Logo only at night.

Beacon before push and engine start.

For taxi: Taxi and turnoffs on.( When stopping intermittently set taxi to off.)

Lineup: LDG lights and strobe on (Some technique is to switch the LDG lights only to on when takeoff clearence received)

10K: LDG lights, taxi light and turnoffs to off. When passing 10k in descent set those to on again.

After vacating the runway set LDG lights and strobe to OFF.

Before turning into a stand set taxi and turnoffs to off.

Shut down engines, beacon off.

 

Did you use a wing light often at night, or only for ice? And the logo light does out at 10k too? Or keep that on until passing transition level? Are there any other flights you enjoyed for suggestions in the coming month for me to fly? A couple days ago I did omdb-fsia-omdb that is a fun flight doing round trip. Beautiful scenery from fsdg for Seychelles. Coming in at day break must be a beautiful scene in real life, in fsx it looked great.

 

The approach to Manila got interesting, they have a strange layout for stars, mostly just vectors. I tried following the real atc from the liveatc feed I followed the ek332 flight in real time in my sim.

 

sorry to hear about your health, get well soon! - David Lee

[JRBarrett 3,038]

I am using the certified config for Emirates. I just want to double check, their fleet does not use the altitude alert sound? It seems weird why an airline would choose that option. If you have inside info please let me know if that is correct. Thank you - David Lee

Any aircraft that is certified to fly in RVSM airspace is specifically required to have an aural altitude alert system. Depending on the manufacturer, the alert may not necessarily be a chime or buzzer though - some systems have a synthesized voice (usually female) that says the word "altitude".

[walfob 10]

 

 

It was a non ER 300 built in 2003 https://aviation-saf...p?id=20160803-0

 

I acknowledge that it seems now to have been a straight 300. I was quoting from information on Flightaware and an early BBC new item that says EK521 was a 777-300ER.

 

Thanks for clearing this up and very useful link provided.

[Boeing or not going 578]

Any aircraft that is certified to fly in RVSM airspace is specifically required to have an aural altitude alert system. Depending on the manufacturer, the alert may not necessarily be a chime or buzzer though - some systems have a synthesized voice (usually female) that says the word "altitude".

One of the options in the pmdg aircraft menus is "altitude alert sound" and the EK profile from PMDG has that set to none.

 

The specific laws that I see are only about alerting, which occurs on the PFD with prompts, and if the alert sound is enabled, a sound when approaching. - David Lee

[longrangecruise 57]

It seems the topic of this thread is still unclear. Have a look at FCOM 2, 15.20.11

 

The altitude alert in the 777 is at first a white box around the altitude on the PFD, 900' before reaching selected altitude (no aural at that point).

 

When deviating more than 200' from MCP selected altitude you get an amber box indication around the altitude on the PFD and an EICAS caution message "altitude alert" accompanied with the beeper sound.

That is the same for EK acft.

 

I am not familiar with these ini files. They should be programmed in such a way that you only get an audio alert when actually deviating. (No sound at 1000' before like with other aircraft.)

 

When you start flying that many different acft in the sim it can get confusing

 

 

Your questions about the Logo light: It is switched on from darkening near sunset till after sunrise (irrespective of altitude).

Never used the wing light.

[Boeing or not going 578]

It seems the topic of this thread is still unclear. Have a look at FCOM 2, 15.20.11

 

The altitude alert in the 777 is at first a white box around the altitude on the PFD, 900' before reaching selected altitude (no aural at that point).

 

When deviating more than 200' from MCP selected altitude you get an amber box indication around the altitude on the PFD and an EICAS caution message "altitude alert" accompanied with the beeper sound.

That is the same for EK acft.

 

I am not familiar with these ini files. They should be programmed in such a way that you only get an audio alert when actually deviating. (No sound at 1000' before like with other aircraft.)

 

When you start flying that many different acft in the sim it can get confusing

 

 

Your questions about the Logo light: It is switched on from darkening near sunset till after sunrise (irrespective of altitude).

Never used the wing light.

The sound alert 1000 before is what I was wondering if EK does not have that enabled. Thanks for all this information. Planning on flying to either VTBS or DNMM late tonight. Great scenery on Simmarket for both, LivingLagos and A_A Scenery. - David Lee