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A new outlook on the PSS 777.

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I have to apologize to PSS for some of my past statements concerning the 777. Seeing I've had a bad taste in my mouth since FS2k4 and the Airbus series, I really didn't think the company could deliver. Compared to the SSTsim Concord I felt the PSS version wasn't on the same level and no PSS plane has really touched the levels of PMDG and/or Level-D until now. Avsim unlike the Concord this one truly deserves the highest ranking

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Yep, I too agree. On the subject of Lago, the latest update to the MD-80 was a nice surprise, so you never know!--Byron Farrow

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Off topic, but I have just updated the MD-80 from Lago and am quite amazed at how better v1.50 is; nice gear wind noise (rumble), and some things I thought were bugs are gone- one never knows with the Mad Dog which are bugs and which are just how dificult it is to manage the systems compared with the modern Boeings. :)Dillon- I read your post on the T-7 at the top of this thraed. I had read some other comments on the PSS forum today after the general release and had decided to let this one pass. Now I will have to get it, I can see :)Bruce.

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It would be nice if PSS modeled all the engines offered by Boeing for the 777.Dillon! I too think the quality of this release is right up there with the PMDG 744 and LDS 767. On the subject of the engines though, this was questioned in a thread in the support forum. It seems that Boeing went to a single engine type for the 777-200LR(F) and 777-300ER, so since these are the variants modeled, PSS was correct in only modeling the one engine type.

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Lago still has allot of work to do with the night lighting in the MadDog's VC. The lighting as it stands now is horrible... She's a great bird to fly before 6pm. After that your truely in the dark...

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PSS chose to limit themselves this time in order to be able to fully concentrate on a smaller product.Had they modelled every possible combination of airframe, engines, and cockpit layout people'd have complained they got something in some of them wrong...

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>It would be nice if PSS modeled all the engines offered by>Boeing for the 777.>>Dillon! I too think the quality of this release is right up>there with the PMDG 744 and LDS 767. On the subject of the>engines though, this was questioned in a thread in the support>forum. It seems that Boeing went to a single engine type for>the 777-200LR(F) and 777-300ER, so since these are the>variants modeled, PSS was correct in only modeling the one>engine type.Are you guys talking about the visual model and eye candy stuff? Or do you feel the accuracy and fidelity of the aircraft systems is on a par with PMDG and Level D? The reviews and questions in the PSS forum are all over the map concerning completeness, accuracy and bugs. Thanks.Bob....

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I don't fly the MD80 from the VC (after flying the PMDG B744 from the VC I just can't get into flying that way with any of the add-ons that I have in my FS9). So I'm not sure about the lack of good lighting in the Lago VC. Of course I'm not a real MD80 pilot, but if the MD Max product is the be believed from a realistic systems point of view, then I think Lago has made some progress.Interesting to read more comments on the PSS 777, both in this thread and on their forum. I'm still on the fence with this purchase :)Thanks again for your comments,Bruce.

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I was a PSS buyer, I am one and I guess I will be one in the future as well.Not because PSS makes the best aircraft, but because they're quite fun to fly.I use their Dash-8 from time to time though the Majestic DH-8 is in my hangar too, just for the fun of it! Same with their other birds.Though saying that PSS plays in the same league like PMDG and LDS is a bright overstatement, PSS has its place in the market and I hope they'll stay there.The T7 is a nice addition to my big fleet, but I guess soon there'l be a sister from FeelThere nearby...Andreas

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"I guess soon there'l be a sister from FeelThere nearby..."Andreas sadly the FeelThere model won't be a hardcore simulation of the 777 so therefore not in the same ballpark. It will be nice but for those looking for a more hardcore edge PSS is the best your going to get for now (in this case thankfully that's not a bad thing)...

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I'm happy with the product. For what I paid its nice. If I'd paid PMDG prices for it then I wouldn't be happy.The FDE doesn't seem right to me. I'm happy to be corrected by those with actual 777 experience, but the thing handles like a fighter jet once you roll it passed a point. It starts off slow and heavy and than BAM you're in a barrel roll. Which in fact I have done in this product with ease. That doesn't seem right to me.A lot of the things that people are complaining about are, as per usual in the "community", are not really that important and they are unable to back these up with any other reason than "but I want it". People have complained about the lack of wingviews. Theres no mention of them...so how can you be disapointed? Inquire before you buy. Especially if these are things that make you "put it back in the hangar".I'd give this product 7/10. Its good, but nothing groundbreaking IMO.

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The FDE doesn't seem right to me. I'm happy to be corrected by those with actual 777 experience, but the thing handles like a fighter jet once you roll it passed a point. It starts off slow and heavy and than BAM you're in a barrel roll. Which in fact I have done in this product with ease. That doesn't seem right to me.I noticed that too, but maybe it has to do with that like the Airbus' the 777 is a Fly By wire aircraft. I know when I fly on airbus' Banking appears more abrupt than with the Boeings (Other than the 777), which I've always attributed to them being fly by wire aircraft.

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and the FDE feels just right Coming from a guy who is an expert chair captain on a desktop sim does not mean much. Although I have not had the pleasure of trying out PSS's plane yet I must say this post from you does not mention anything of substance whatsoever. What about the FMC? What about the EICAS and it's various detailed pages? What about that Dillion??[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]AMD 64 4000+|ASUS K8V DELUXE|SAPPHIRE ATI X800XT PE|MUNCHKIN 3200|80 gig SATA|DELL 1905FP 19" LCD|TRACKir PRO|PFC JEPPESEN MOONEY YOKE|CH PRO PEDALS|

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Let's see, I don't mind anyway. I know their 'PIC' will be the 737.The FeelThere bird has a FIX page, can't be that bad ;-)Andreas

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>>and the FDE feels just right>> Coming from a guy who is an expert chair captain on a desktop>sim does not mean much. >> Although I have not had the pleasure of trying out PSS's>plane yet I must say this post from you does not mention>anything of substance whatsoever. What about the FMC? What>about the EICAS and it's various detailed pages? What about>that Dillion??>>>[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]>AMD 64 4000+|ASUS K8V DELUXE|SAPPHIRE ATI X800XT PE|MUNCHKIN>3200|80 gig SATA|DELL 1905FP 19" LCD|TRACKir PRO|PFC JEPPESEN>MOONEY YOKE|CH PRO PEDALS|Its missing some things from the FMC that I guess Ive been spoiled in having. Winds, FIX etc. I dont guess theyre essential but when youre used to utilizing them it seems strange not to have them. RA is not modelled in the TCAs system and while I dont make a habit of running into other virtual aircraft not having RA in TA/RA is a bit strange, I think thats a basic function that should be automatically included in a airliner simulation. FDE can not be anywhere close to correct. The thing has a roll rate of an F16......That said I personally love the model. The sounds are nice even if quiet the wife isnt yelling at me to turn the thing down. 2D panel is unreal, very crisp and detailed. The checklist where its supposed to be and clickable, all in the info, over head panel. Systems are pretty in depth and done well. VC is great, very detailed and very fluid with great frame rates. WX Radar is cool even if it cant be done absolutley correctly in FS its still nice to see something there when its raining outside.All in all I like the plane, I think after they patch up a few issues its going to be stellar. I dont thinks its as in depth as a total package as the 744 or 767 however its definitley close. Once everything is fixed and its running on its first patch it will be on par with whats out there. If you like the T7 then you cant go wrong with the PSS version; while Ill never fly it as much as I do the 744 or 767 its definitley getting some time every week because it really is an excellent little SIM to have some fun with.All the above is my personal opinion, if your not keen on it you can suck eggs :)

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>Interesting to read more comments on the PSS 777, both in this>thread and on their forum. Then better read comments by Mike T. who summed up this aircraft best.Michael J.

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I have every product from PSS (with the exception of the concorde and their avro). As of now, I'm not feeling the love for their new 777. In part, because I don't see a consensus emerging as to the quality of the product. PSS forums range from great to horrible. Screenshots: ditto - from serviceable to abysmal. People are already merging the PSS panel with other models. The virtual cockpit looks infinitely worse compared to other offerings. Plus, if you buy everything -all 3 models, and all the liveries- it'll set you back $250.ricardo

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Dillon,I too have and love the new 777LR and would very much like to know more about that gear failure of yours. I looked through the manuals and couldn't find any references to failures, but maybe your post got me to excited to find it ;-)Are you positive such a failure is modelled by PSS? That would be a FS first, wouldn't it? I'd love to learn more about that.Cheers,Petehttp://members.aol.com/pzsoulman/myhomepage/logo.gifAMD64-3400,1GB/2700DDRAM,WinXP(SP2),DirectX9.0c,Geforce6800(128MB)(Det.71.89), CH Yoke/Pedals

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On the PSS website they say the new 777 is in "ROLLOUT" colors? What does that mean? and what are those "deliveries" for about 7 English Pounds each? Thanks jerrycwo4

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>On the PSS website they say the new 777 is in "ROLLOUT">colors? What does that mean? and what are those "deliveries">for about 7 English Pounds each? Thanks jerrycwo4The Roll out colors are the official Boeing colors of the Prototype. (The same as the one used for the record breaking flight from VHHH-EGLL today.) Other airline liveries are extra charge, but if you by multiple liveries at one time, you get a pretty good discount. Also on the PSS site, you can find already and in the future many user airline livery repaints for free, if you don't want to pay extra for the official ones!!

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Hey Pete there's not much I can tell you about it. It just happened when I ran out of runway and took off from the grass. I was surprised to say the least. I do have to agree with others after further observation that the roll rate is a little to much and the FMC is missing some features but all in all I find this a very nice add-on... :-)

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Hey Dave...Well look wise the PSS 777 is right up there with the best, LDS/PMDG. As far as the FDE goes I'm with the others that a little work needs to be done (even though I've seen countless testimonies in video from real 777 pilots about how easy and responsive the 777 is to fly and handle). I would also like PSS to add glass texture to the VC the same way LDS and PMDG has done. That's the only thing I see left visually. In the avionics department there's work that needs to be done on the FMC to include some extra standard features people are asking for (see above). I found the FMC to work for the most part and perform correctly with the autopilot. I can't seem to get the weather display to function consitantly on my end but I haven't read the manual on that part either.I haven't had the time I would like to spend with this add-on but from what I can tell so far it's a winner. If PSS puts in the time needed and produces an update to correct the few minor issues people are reporting, their product will truly be in the same league as the other high quality add-ons out there. I just hope the support last as long as it does with the other offerings (through at least two versions of Flight Simulator). That may or may not be possible depending on what Microsoft does with FS10. If FS10 does support backwards compatibility then by all means I'd love to see the PSS 777 fully updated in FS10... :-)

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