P3D upgrade CPU from 4930k 4.4 OC'd hex core to 6700k 4.2 turbo or wait for 7700k kaby lake?

[theskyisthelimit 48]

Corsair Obsidian 450D, I had room for a 280mm cooler by loosing only the top drive slot.  I figured a Corsair case should work with the corsair cooler and worked out after a minor effort. My M-Disc optical fit in the second slot no problem. The case is actually quieter than the older Antec that houses my 4790K.

The 450d looks similar to the v51. I guess with more options. Might be a better fit for the 240mm, though smaller overall size.  I think i may still opt for the v51.  My old case is the   Thermaltake VA8000BWS which cant really take a top radiator.

[garrett_frank 150]

What GPU are you pairing with that.. on air etc?  Are you worried about the volts being 1.426?  Temps sound good.. but i've always read, for longevity, 1.35v / 75C ideally max.. maybe not, i dunno?

 

I have two 780 Ti superclocks in SLI. I can't overstate this enough but I am not happy with how P3D scales SLI nowadays. If it weren't for some other games and the current, low used price of a 780Ti (a great card in my opinion), I'd sell the second one. It seemingly provides very little benefit. Sorry, off topic...

 

I think 1.426v is fine. Intel's recommended max is 1.45v which you have to assume is still a conservative figure. When not gaming or flightsimming (usually no more than several hours per week), the chip is kept at its stock clocks and voltages.

 

 

Still keeping the trigger pulled on the 6700k,

 

but in digging more i found that the stock core speed of the i7-7700 is likely to be 4.2 and the turbo 4.5 based on some leaks.. this may translate into an overclock something in the range of 5.0-5.2 I would suspect.. whereas with the 6700k its sounds as if ill be looking at about 4.6 to 4.7 comfortably.. given past benchmarking i think this comes in around 4fps better with the 7700k.. but still early to tell.  Read also that possibly current z170 boards like the asus z170-a might work with the new chip.

 

I wouldn't assume that just because Intel is raising the stock clocks on the 7700k that it will be capable of a proportional overclock. I think in essence what they're doing is applying 40-50% of the typical overclock before the chip leaves the factory... if that makes sense. I'm not aware that they've done anything to the chip that would allow it to go over 5Ghz, especially under ideal temps and voltages. I would keep an eye on "techier" forums than AVSIM and see what some of the reports are. But I would not let your expectations go bonkers...

[westman 257]

7700k vs 6700k Its more like a refresh like Sandybrige 2600k to 2700k, Haswell 4770k to 4790k.

the diff to a Golden chip nothing but they have Done a lot tweaking .

A normal 6700k today not god not bad at 4.6ghz similar 7700k chip do 4.8 , Golden ones 5.0-5.1 as today, wait and see ....

[theskyisthelimit 48]

7700k vs 6700k Its more like a refresh like Sandybrige 2600k to 2700k, Haswell 4770k to 4790k.

the diff to a Golden chip nothing but they have Done a lot tweaking .

A normal 6700k today not god not bad at 4.6ghz similar 7700k chip do 4.8 , Golden ones 5.0-5.1 as today, wait and see ....

 

That makes sense and will probably be the case.. we shall see soon.

 

I made the final choices on my decision here.. so its

 

i7-6700k

asus 170-a

h100i v2 240mm water cool

Case:  v51 thermaltake

ram: CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 Vengeance LPX 16GB 1.35v 16cas

 

Parts arriving thursday 

 

Ill be doing the baseline comparisons between i7-4930k at 4.2ghz and this arrangement at 4.2ghz (and beyond once i overclock it).. I may even try the older DDR3 ram instead of DDR4 to keep the playing field even to see how it stacks up.

[garrett_frank 150]

 

 

Ill be doing the baseline comparisons between i7-4930k at 4.2ghz and this arrangement at 4.2ghz (and beyond once i overclock it).. I may even try the older DDR3 ram instead of DDR4 to keep the playing field even to see how it stacks up.

 

Not bad at all. I wish you had given us a heads-up on that RAM, though (we're your upgrade support group!). The stuff I ordered a week ago from newegg.com was the same speed but CAS14. Also, I could be misinterpreting the last part of your statement but you can't use DDR3 with a Skylake/Z170 chip.

[theskyisthelimit 48]

Not bad at all. I wish you had given us a heads-up on that RAM, though (we're your upgrade support group!). The stuff I ordered a week ago from newegg.com was the same speed but CAS14. Also, I could be misinterpreting the last part of your statement but you can't use DDR3 with a Skylake/Z170 chip.

Thanks, well the ram I just ordered I can always cancel, which model was it that was 14 cas I guess 14 from 16 might be perceiveable? Not sure why I thought I could test with ddr3, disregard that brainfart:)

[downscc 1,327]

You should try to use the motherboard recommended memory list..., they usually have many choices and this ensures compatibility with the chip set.

[theskyisthelimit 48]

I have very brief test results..

 

my fsmark07 baseline paused value has gone up to around 35 fps from 32.. this at stock levels and stock levels on the ram too (stiill the cas 16 for now).. so its 4.2 turbo and 2133.. (ill later overclock)..

 

i'm rather pleased.. though the cpu temps still reached 64 on one core and 57 for lowest on another.. and i was still hoping to push to 4.6-4.7 later on.. not sure if this is due to the way i have the h100i v2 mounted or not.. i went by instructions.. its on top of the v51 case.. set to intake mode.. so radiator on the roof of the inside of the case.. fans under that but set to pull air downward..  it was reading 29C when i first turned it on.. which might have been a few degrees above a warm room temp.  Example, right now near idle, i have temps 23 24, 21, 22.. i dont think ill worry about that one core.. no interest in delidding this go round either

 

 

At any rate, my gpu didnt exceed 67C this time on the fsmark07 quick test i did.. maybe due to new rig or new cooling arrangement.. all these temps so far are with the case side off however.

[theskyisthelimit 48]

I forgot to include the tests..

 

For reference and set both to same clock speed for apples to apples as close as possible (both the OS and P3D drives are SSD samsung evo 1tb drives)..

 

fsmark07 with high settings, clouds, reflections etc (ill provide these later)... 120 sec test

 

i7-4930k at 4.2ghz overclocked on air, ddr3 2400 overclocked ram + 1080 ftw

24.067 avg, 32 fps paused at start, 83C gpu temp, cpu max 85C

 

i7-6700k at 4.2 turbo (not overclocked) on h100i v2 water cool, ddr4 cas16 at 2133 + 1080 ftw

32.03 avg, 35 fps paused at start (wow), 67C gpu temp, cpu max 64C on one core, 57 on others (intake/pull air from top down on cpu).

 

Performance Test Passmark:

 

CPUMARK:

i7-4930k at 4.2 ghz overclock with 2400 ram (3056 memorymark 3D-12488):  12,775

i7-6700k at 4.2 ghz turbo with 2133 cas 16:  11,147

 

PASSMARK:

i7-4930k at 4.2 ghz overclock with 2400 ram:   5546

i7-6700k at 4.2 ghz turbo with 2133 cas 16 (3019 memorymark, 3D-15230):   5822

Might be a glitch or just better throughput on the new board, but the performance test 3D rating jumped a bit.  

 

3DMARK FireStrike Ultra

i7-4930k at 4.2 ghz overclock with 2400 ram:  5473

i7-6700k at 4.2 ghz turbo with 2133 cas 16: 5478

 

 

 

Side note. i found these cas15 ram sticks from gskill.. fairly cheap at $89.99, same price as the corsairs.. most cas15 3200's seem to go for $180 or higher.. so ill give these a try and replace the vengeance cas16.

[westman 257]

Only on the mems you get 8-10% higher Fps in your 07 test, the G-Skill cas15 you linked to is very good.

 

3200mhz c15 have the best price/performance ratio, but i prefer 3600 C15 with thigter timings C13-14

[theskyisthelimit 48]

Only on the mems you get 8-10% higher Fps in your 07 test, the G-Skill cas15 you linked to is very good.

 

3200mhz c15 have the best price/performance ratio, but i prefer 3600 C15 with thigter timings C13-14

 

You are saying you think because its now DDR4 the fps increase is a result of that?  basically went from 24 to 32 on the average.. thats 25%, i think?  Looking at memory (memmark) values.. they are roughly the same though

 

Ill be curious how the 3200 cas15 does.. thanks for the suggestion on the 3600 though.  Looks like cas16 is around $149 while cas17 is $129, compared to the cas15 3200.

[theskyisthelimit 48]

Here are the settings I used for each fsxmark07 test (AffinityMask=1364 with the 4930k and 85 with the 6700) I should now be able to turn a few more settings without fear of losing a few fps, like cast shadows for buildings etc

 

** in the 4930k, this was tested with 4, 4GB ddr3 ram sticks.. for the 6700k it was done with two ram sticks (8gbx2).

 

I should also note, that i dont do surround mode for 2d .. i expand the window amongst the three 24 inch screens and maximize to the full 5760x1080 for the fsmark07 tests (which also have GEX + Vector + UTX + FTX PNW and REX going on).

[westman 257]

Did some tests P3D V3.3.2 file Fsxmark11 300s with same settings each run.

 

6700k started with stock 4.2ghz 2133 XMP

 

4.2ghz 2133 XMP C12 avg 41.9fps

4.2ghz 2666 XMP C15 avg 43.2fps

 

Light OC 4.5ghz

 

4.5ghz 2666 XMP C15 avg 44.8fps

4.5ghz 3200 XMP C15 avg 48.3fps , the mems you linked to.

4.5ghz 3600 XMP C15 avg 49.6fps

 

4.9ghz 3600 C14 avg 54.0fps

 

Think you gone see similar results, quite a big gain on only mems

[theskyisthelimit 48]

Did some tests P3D V3.3.2 file Fsxmark11 300s with same settings each run.

 

6700k started with stock 4.2ghz 2133 XMP

 

4.2ghz 2133 XMP C12 avg 41.9fps

4.2ghz 2666 XMP C15 avg 43.2fps

 

Light OC 4.5ghz

 

4.5ghz 2666 XMP C15 avg 44.8fps

4.5ghz 3200 XMP C15 avg 48.3fps , the mems you linked to.

4.5ghz 3600 XMP C15 avg 49.6fps

 

4.9ghz 3600 C14 avg 54.0fps

 

Think you gone see similar results, quite a big gain on only mems

Nice.. i hadnt realized there was an fsxmark11.. ill have to download and test mine.

 

Do you have FTX PNW and any other addons contributing to these values? (in my above tests i have GEX,REX,UTX,Vector+PNW)

[Dirk98 354]

Did some tests P3D V3.3.2 file Fsxmark11 300s with same settings each run.

 

6700k started with stock 4.2ghz 2133 XMP

 

4.2ghz 2133 XMP C12 avg 41.9fps

4.2ghz 2666 XMP C15 avg 43.2fps

 

Light OC 4.5ghz

 

4.5ghz 2666 XMP C15 avg 44.8fps

4.5ghz 3200 XMP C15 avg 48.3fps , the mems you linked to.

4.5ghz 3600 XMP C15 avg 49.6fps

 

4.9ghz 3600 C14 avg 54.0fps

 

Think you gone see similar results, quite a big gain on only mems

 

 

Guys, did you use 2x4Gb or 4x4Gb sticks? Does 16Gb improves performance in P3D/FSX?

 

Thanks,

Dirk.