P3D 3.4 Experience Thread

[cannow 61]

se my post above about your discovery

 

Thanks to you :-)

 

 

Michael Moe

 

Thanks I can repeat these findings consistently . Now for a solution maybe the experts can tell us how a mesh is generating such a high vas load . Is it a fault with pilots mesh and is it happening elsewhere.Hope someone cleverer than me can solve this .

[RTK1972 288]

I do have this and will report back,

 

I just tried the exact same departure using the Majestic Dash8 with the same result at 7.1 NM before TOLTRI

 

Loss of 3-350MB

 

Michael Moe

 

 

 

UPDATE:

 

 

I think you nailed it  :smile:  :wink: 

 

All London drivers  - we might have a breakthrough regarding extra ordninary VAS issues .

 

I can confirm that disabling FTX Global MESH solves the loss of 300MB of VAS between BFK and TOLTRI (7.1NM before TOLTRI) in London even with FTX England and everything else in place

 

 

We need to adress ORBX/FTX i guess

 

Thanks for all your hard work

 

Michael Moe

 

what FTX Global Mesh, Michael ? I don't have this in my scenery lib or did i miss something ?

 

I mean do i have to unselect all ftx mesh settings ?

[cannow 61]

what FTX Global Mesh, Michael ? I don't have this in my scenery lib or did i miss something ?

 

I mean do i have to unselect all ftx mesh settings ?

 

This is a very specific issue in as far as I know one place . Pilots FTX 2010 mesh is recommended by Orbx to be compatable with all there products. I have no idea if this effects any where else . London is also flat . To confuse matters even further you can disable continents . Disabling Europe does not help just tried you have to remove the lot !!! 

[RTK1972 288]

This is a very specific issue in as far as I know one place . Pilots FTX 2010 mesh is recommended by Orbx to be compatable with all there products. I have no idea if this effects any where else . London is also flat . To confuse matters even further you can disable continents . Disabling Europe does not help just tried you have to remove the lot !!!

 

I have pilots mesh but there are more than one entry for them in scenery.cfg.

I wonder if i need to deactivate all or only the europe one for example...

[cannow 61]

I have pilots mesh but there are more than one entry for them in scenery.cfg.

I wonder if i need to deactivate all or only the europe one for example...

I had to remove all did not work removing just europe

[RTK1972 288]

I had to remove all did not work removing just europe

Experienced the same with my last two tests. Crazy but it really works.

 

Thanks everyone involved !

 

Carsten

[Michael Moe 493]

what FTX Global Mesh, Michael ? I don't have this in my scenery lib or did i miss something ?

 

I mean do i have to unselect all ftx mesh settings ?

 

 

Yep, I think Cannow nailed it down to FTX Global Mesh and London

 

I have done 5 test now with and without FTX England , OpenLCEU in the NGX and one in the Dash8 and i can still confirm this .

 

 

Would be great if we could have someone like ROB to test this as well

 

 

But think of all the drivers out there who flies to London every day and we nailed it down ?

 

 

 

This could extend to even further areas and VAS issues (who knows ?)

 

Thanks

 

Michael Moe 

[kmagelie 6]

It could be that the sim loads one or both of the nearby regions at that point.

Three regions meet in the North Sea between England and Belgium/Holland:

 

K - Europe British, L - Europe French and A - Europe Germanic

 

Take a look at the regions map here.

 

So when you remove the higher quality mesh, VAS doesn't increase as much. Maybe? Just something to consider.

[Michael Moe 493]

It could be that the sim loads one or both of the nearby regions at that point.

Three regions meet in the North Sea between England and Belgium/Holland:

 

K - Europe British, L - Europe French and A - Europe Germanic

 

Take a look at the regions map here.

 

So when you remove the higher quality mesh, VAS doesn't increase as much. Maybe? Just something to consider.

Yeah it could be , thanks,

 

London is what every wants to join so it would  be a pleasure right to nail it ? 

 

At least 300MB would give us some choices right ?

 

Michael Moe

[jose88 50]

How i can measure the VAS?

[Eziocin 46]

I had to remove all did not work removing just europe

 

Yep, I think Cannow nailed it down to FTX Global Mesh and London

 

I have done 5 test now with and without FTX England , OpenLCEU in the NGX and one in the Dash8 and i can still confirm this .

 

 

Would be great if we could have someone like ROB to test this as well

 

 

But think of all the drivers out there who flies to London every day and we nailed it down ?

 

 

 

This could extend to even further areas and VAS issues (who knows ?)

 

Thanks

 

Michael Moe 

 

Guys,

I think it is not only related to London....I was reading this post yesterday while I was flying EGLL-KSFO with PMDG T7 and decided to take some numbers and do some tests.

My setup is a few posts above but here it is again:

 

Pilot FS global mesh FTX version, FTX Vector, EU and NA OLC, FTX Global Base, 2048 textures, AS16+ASCA on networked laptop, LOD 5.5, Tesselation, Mesh detail and texture resolution max, scenery and autogen complexity dense....and for my PC I have HT=OFF

 

When I departed LHR I had FTX Global Mesh enabled, Europe and North America only. My recordings upon startup, take off and at one hour intervals were as follows (the numbers are referring to residual VAS, measured via FSUIPC) 

 

Flight startup, Aerosoft EGLL, stand 518: 1310 Mb 

Take off (40 min later) : 1140 Mb

h1: 1140

h2: 1156

h3: 1108

h4: 1111

h5: 1063

 

Then, after about 5:30 hours since take off, upon reaching North America mainland, VAS started to bleed quite rapidly (I had NO other addon airport activated except departure and destination ones) and I had:

 

h6: 990

h7: 530

 

VAS continued to bleed so I saved the flight and restarted. Residual VAS went back up to 1300 Mb, but it started again to bleed and shortly fell below 1000 Mb continuing to drop......saved the flight again, but this time before restarting the flight I deactivated all the FTX Global Mesh entries from my scenery list (Using Scenery Configurator Editor). Guess what ? when I restarted the flight my residual VAS was back to 1300 Mb...BUT...it remained stable for at least other 4 hours and finally decreased as expected while getting closer to Flightbeam KSFO where I safely landed with 850 Mb of residual VAS. 

 

So, apparently this finding is in line with your theories but it would seem to point at one general worldwide issue with FTX Mesh (but it might be related to every kind of addon mesh, who knows ?) and not only limited to London area....

 

Regards

 

 

Ezio

[Mickeyj 35]

Great find but is this related only to v3.4 or is it repeatable with v3.3.5 as well?

[ZKOKQ 984]

 

 

Would hate to loose my mesh but could live without just in UK.

Download the FreeMesh from the Avsim Lib and compare with FTX. I found the FreeMesh better than the Global mesh, so that maybe an alternative.

[Michael Moe 493]

Great find but is this related only to v3.4 or is it repeatable with v3.3.5 as well?

 

I actually think it goes way back to FSX as well.

 

I just noted it back a couple of years and even had a post over at ORBX/FTX about it but forgot all about it.

 

But maybe and hopefully others will test it

 

Thanks Michael Moe

[cannow 61]

Download the FreeMesh from the Avsim Lib and compare with FTX. I found the FreeMesh better than the Global mesh, so that maybe an alternative.

 

Downloading at the moment looks great . Once installed I will repeat  flights and report back . If anyone has this already installed try this flight egll bnn bpk lam egmc. Somewhere approaching Lam Vor you will get a vas spike between 150mb default scenary and 300mb with FTX England . Remember ftx eng has its own mesh which is above Pilots mesh.Hopefully we do not get the same effect with free mesh