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Well there is always Ortho4XP which can make some amazing scenery for free.

 

 

I have yet to see Ortho4XP scenery that amazes me... What I've seen so far looks just like the usual FSX photoreal crap: odd colors, low res, lack of autogen and if there is any it doesn't look to good. U'd love to see some amazing Orhto4XP screenshots (or preferably video's) so if someone has a link... I don't really mind if it takes a lot of time to get things done as long as it is not too hard to learn. And, preferably, as long as I can create Norwegian scenery with it.

 

Thats a very interesting way to put it. I am quite happy spending lots of money on planes, scenery (mostly great & free in xplane!) but buying a new sim is a different question (il-2 is on my whislist for quite some time). Spending money is a rather irrational matter for me.

 

Yes, haha, it is a bit odd how people 'easily' spend money on one airport or plane but have a hard time justifying the purchase of an entire sim that comes with (in the case of XP11) quite a few interesting planes and a lot of graphical improvements. But I do understand the 'investement idea' behind that 'logic'. 

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I have yet to see Ortho4XP scenery that amazes me... What I've seen so far looks just like the usual FSX photoreal crap: odd colors, low res, lack of autogen and if there is any it doesn't look to good. U'd love to see some amazing Orhto4XP screenshots 

 

Are we talking about the same Ortho4XP  :fool:  

 

http://www.x-plane.it/viewtopic.php?t=29445&f=5&sid=9016a1a352ed63f953eae74318e97857

 

 

http://www.x-plane.it/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29412

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I have yet to see Ortho4XP scenery that amazes me... What I've seen so far looks just like the usual FSX photoreal crap: odd colors, low res, lack of autogen and if there is any it doesn't look to good. U'd love to see some amazing Orhto4XP screenshots (or preferably video's) so if someone has a link

 

Not sure where you are looking, but really nothing (payware or freeware) beats Ortho4XP  :wink:

 

Here are some of Ortho4XP in Norway (Click to enlarge) and Norway Pro (an update I'm working on). I can't wait to try this in XP11 with the new lighting  :wub: 

 

Alabeo_R66_1.jpg

 

Alabeo_R66_2.jpg

 

Alabeo_R66_3.jpg

 

Alabeo_R66_22.jpg

 

Alabeo_R66_23.jpg

 

I have the entire country in this detail :-)

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Well there is always Ortho4XP which can make some amazing scenery for free.

Free? Time is money, at least for me. I'd rather buy quality scenery than spending hours over hours with questionable prospect of success, and take the wee bit time I have for flying. One may also think if it makes sense having thousands of people creating the same scenery just for themselves. 

 

That's me, of course. I uderstand others might well be exciting seeing their creations.

 

Edit: Just saw your pix, Tony. That's something I definitely can't do and given it's free it's beyond doubt. 

 

Kind regards, Michael

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This is true, but it also requires a huge amount of disk-space and effort for the user (Something the majority don't want to do). Also, there are a lack of decent orthos for many areas I want to fly in, e.g. Australia, New Zealand and Norway.

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I have made photoreal scenery for the Pilotedge area, but only because it's a managable amount of data. There is no way I would want to do this for a whole country or any larger area, no matter how comfortable those tools might be or get in the future.

 

I would rather pay for good photoreal scenery. By good I mean at least ZL16, contrast and color corrected.

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Are we talking about the same Ortho4XP  :fool:  

 

 

Yes, we are. Mountains are never a problem with photoreal. It's the towns and cities which I don't like. However....

 

 

 

Here are some of Ortho4XP in Norway (Click to enlarge) and Norway Pro (an update I'm working on). I can't wait to try this in XP11 with the new lighting 

 

...this looks quite nice...! Although I still don't like how those trees stick out of the groundtextures on that first shot, also because the textures are a bit blueish. But when you are just flying around (instead of nitpicking on ground textures) I think this will do!  :wink: The last three pictures look amazing, also when it comes to the colors of the ground textures.

 

I was wondering:

 

 

 

I have the entire country in this detail :-)

 

 

Is this something you can share? You say you are working on Norway Pro: is that a product I can purchase and install just like that? As I said, mountains usually are okay with photoreal and there are a lot of them in Norway: if the towns and cities look like as on your pictures, I think I'd like that a lot. Are airports populated with buildings too? What do you mean with 'Pro'?

 

If I can get this scenery I am defenitely going to get XP11!!! I've been flying in Norway ever since FTX Norway has been released so that country alone is enough for me. Don't need anything else. And although Orbx scenery is great I absolutely hate those roads which are baked into ground textures and how vector roads run though houses... This looks GREAT in comparison to that!

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Although I still don't like how those trees stick out of the groundtextures on that first shot, also because the textures are a bit blueish

 

A matter of taste I guess. I like those colours and specially added colour correction in Ortho4XP to get it ;-). It doesn't look so blue on my monitor so it could be that (Others have also commented that I oversaturate my orthos).

 

Yes, Norway Pro has been out for about a year now. It's free and in the downloads section of x-plane.org (in the World2XPlane) section. However, there is going to be a update of the scenery for XP11. The update is big because it is using a new technology I'm developing which scans photoimagery to get buildings and the results can be seen above. The "Pro" name is simply to differentiate it from standard W2XP scenery, where it is quite different and shouldn't be confused. 

 

P.S. Using Norway Pro or any other of my sceneries without photoimagery is a mixed-bag. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The textures don't match the objects above, which is a problem that X-Plane suffers from in general

I should add, there is a lack of decent and LEGAL photoimagery which can be used and distributed (The US being an exception). Licensing orthos for resale is very expensive and is probably the real reason there is a lack of it.

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Last few posts just illustrates the diverse opinions of FS users. You can never please everyone.

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Not sure where you are looking, but really nothing (payware or freeware) beats Ortho4XP  :wink:

 

Here are some of Ortho4XP in Norway (Click to enlarge) and Norway Pro (an update I'm working on). I can't wait to try this in XP11 with the new lighting  :wub: Alabeo_R66_1.jpgAlabeo_R66_2.jpgAlabeo_R66_3.jpgAlabeo_R66_22.jpgAlabeo_R66_23.jpg

 

I have the entire country in this detail :-)

It can't get much better than this.

Add some of the magic of xEnviro (I've seen some extremely impressive shots and videos about their product) and XP 11's new lighting to it, and no sim will come close to these visuals!

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It can't get much better than this.

Add some of the magic of xEnviro (I've seen some extremely impressive shots and videos about their product) and XP 11's new lighting to it, and no sim will come close to these visuals!

X-enviro posted today few screenshots of their weather plugin in xp11 on their fb page

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/625829117591486/permalink/650443461796718/

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Yes, I've seen them! Absolutely stunning!

Have you seen the video of the foggy approach into LOWW by night? That's so insanely realistic!

Yeah looks great! So we will have sky max pro v4 and xenviro to choose and compare.

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Yes, I've seen them! Absolutely stunning!

Have you seen the video of the foggy approach into LOWW by night? That's so insanely realistic!

 

Just as with P3D, if you have the right collection of addons working together in XP, I think anyone would be a convert. 

I am stictly a P3D user, but I'm pretty sure that we are getting close to the point where a fully loaded XP will trump a fully loaded P3D - in a like-for like situation

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Yes, Norway Pro has been out for about a year now. It's free and in the downloads section of x-plane.org (in the World2XPlane) section. However, there is going to be a update of the scenery for XP11. The update is big because it is using a new technology I'm developing which scans photoimagery to get buildings and the results can be seen above. The "Pro" name is simply to differentiate it from standard W2XP scenery, where it is quite different and shouldn't be confused. 

 

P.S. Using Norway Pro or any other of my sceneries without photoimagery is a mixed-bag. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The textures don't match the objects above, which is a problem that X-Plane suffers from in general.

 

I should add, there is a lack of decent and LEGAL photoimagery which can be used and distributed

 

Er... I am confused once more.  :wink: So this means that Norway Pro is W2XP (???) scenery (only autogen?) and if I download it I don't get the ground textures with it...? I have to create those myself, no matter what, using Ortho4XP...? And since photoimagery is hard to get legally I may not get the same textures as you do, maybe none at all, and even if I did I would have to take care of things like saturation etc. myself... Bummer. For a short while I thought XP scenery turned out to be easy to get a hold on but now I lost hope again. 

 

Sorry for posting off topic newbie questions in this topic...  :wink: Or does your Norway Pro come with instructions how to get the exact same photoreal?

 

BTW I had a longer look at the video from Belynz and I am DEFINITELY going to get XP11. With or without Norway.

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BTW I had a longer look at the video from Belynz and I am DEFINITELY going to get XP11. With or without Norway.

 

What is it that appealed to you Jeroen?

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Norway Pro is not W2XP scenery (like the ones you can generate). W2XP has now just become another name for Simheaven, much to my support box's annoyance :(. This is still the same idea of adding forests, houses and roads, but it doesn't use OpenStreetMap data and is customised heavily to the country in question. 

 

You are correct that I don't include any ground textures. I could upload them, but I don't have the patience or money to upload 30-40GB of imagery and then pay for the hosting costs myself, nor do I want to deal with support. However, you can grab some high-quality Norway tiles around Narvik here (http://zonephoto.x-plane.fr/) and at some point more will be uploaded. Google are fine for personal use, and since the Norwegian source I used has a creative-commons license, I believe that is fine also. It's also trivial (in my opinion) to make it yourself. I haven't included instructions on how to make photoimagery because there are already piles of videos on YouTube and a huge support thread here. Sorry there is no magic solution to get instant good scenery, you have to put some work in to get the bits you need.

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BTW I had a longer look at the video from Belynz and I am DEFINITELY going to get XP11. With or without Norway.

 

This is a good idea. I was very skeptical about X-Plane before I bought it in June. But it is really nice. So much amazing freeware to enjoy and also more and more good payware is coming to X-Plane. X-Plane 11 will further improve this situation.


Norway Pro is not W2XP scenery (like the ones you can generate). W2XP has now just become another name for Simheaven, much to my support box's annoyance :sad:. This is still the same idea of adding forests, houses and roads, but it doesn't use OpenStreetMap data and is customised heavily to the country in question. 

 

You are correct that I don't include any ground textures. I could upload them, but I don't have the patience or money to upload 30-40GB of imagery and then pay for the hosting costs myself, nor do I want to deal with support. However, you can grab some high-quality Norway tiles around Narvik here (http://zonephoto.x-plane.fr/) and at some point more will be uploaded. Google are fine for personal use, and since the Norwegian source I used has a creative-commons license, I believe that is fine also. It's also trivial (in my opinion) to make it yourself. I haven't included instructions on how to make photoimagery because there are already piles of videos on YouTube and a huge support thread here. Sorry there is no magic solution to get instant good scenery, you have to put some work in to get the bits you need.

 

Could you tell us which Norwegian source for the photoimagery you used?

 

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The biggest difference between XPX and the alternatives is the World coverage can be a lot less expensive, and have great effects like those provided by W2XP scenery, or O4XP.

 

In terms of Weather, XP has the potential, but still lacks the detail.

 

In terms of ATC, default XP ATC is inferior to the alternative's default, but there appear to be some interesting add-ons already making their way across...

 

Flight dynamics wise, XP has potential in aspects that the alternative can't even compete with, unless fully external flight dynamics are used, and in that case P3D is the best option, but requires a lot of work to properly "align" P3D's scenery and weather engines with the FDM module ( used for instance by ELITE Simulations for their FNPTs, but very expensive and airport-customised ..., or Aerowinx PSX when using P3D for scenery...)

 

If during it's evolution XP11 gains nice weather features, both dynamic and graphics wise, I will consider buying it. I will also wait for correction for the ground physics.

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Not sure where you are looking, but really nothing (payware or freeware) beats Ortho4XP  :wink:

 

Here are some of Ortho4XP in Norway (Click to enlarge) and Norway Pro (an update I'm working on). I can't wait to try this in XP11 with the new lighting  :wub: 

 

Alabeo_R66_1.jpg

 

Alabeo_R66_2.jpg

 

Alabeo_R66_3.jpg

 

Alabeo_R66_22.jpg

 

Alabeo_R66_23.jpg

 

I have the entire country in this detail :-)

 

That really looks Amazing Tony.. If you dont mind, what source and ZL did you used? I havent found any good so far.. just have few tiles of it. or will you include the ortho on your update.

 

Thanks

Alex

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What is it that appealed to you Jeroen?

 

 

I'm a sucker for nice graphics.  :wink: The new lighting system absolutely rocks (those reflections! and how the beacon lights reflect on the ground and everything around it!) and the interface and options look great too (pretty accessible). I already am very interested in how XP renders the terrain (the technique is a lot better than FSX/P3D but unfortunately the textures aren't that good): I am sick and tired of things loading in a circle around my plane and also hate those roads cutting through houses). I also like the amount of default planes to play with though I probably end up using one or two mostly. The Cessna looks very promising. 

 

And apart from all that it is kinda nice to have something new to play with.  :wink: XP11 will give me a lot more fun for the money than one or two new airports for P3D will.

 

 

Could you tell us which Norwegian source for the photoimagery you used?

 

 

Yes, please! 

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P3D user here.  I'm really looking forward to XP11, a bit to my amazement. I'm a flight simmer as much for the technology aspect of it as the flying (going back to the days when MS used Flight Simulator to showcase PC technology), and XP11 looks to be a nice new toy. XP10 frustrated me with the configuration difficulty, but the XP11 interface looks really nice. 

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Like XP11 interface and the busy airport stuff. I just hope, and it's long overdue, a comparable traffic AI program to FSX/P3D like MyTraffic, Ultimate Traffic will be done by a third party. 

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Er... I am confused once more.  :wink: So this means that Norway Pro is W2XP (???) scenery (only autogen?) and if I download it I don't get the ground textures with it...? I have to create those myself, no matter what, using Ortho4XP...? And since photoimagery is hard to get legally I may not get the same textures as you do, maybe none at all, and even if I did I would have to take care of things like saturation etc. myself... Bummer. For a short while I thought XP scenery turned out to be easy to get a hold on but now I lost hope again. 

 

Sorry for posting off topic newbie questions in this topic...  :wink: Or does your Norway Pro come with instructions how to get the exact same photoreal?

 

BTW I had a longer look at the video from Belynz and I am DEFINITELY going to get XP11. With or without Norway.

Jeroen is spot on with his reply, I feel the same way....

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World Traffic is much comparable to UT2 or Mytraffic (I'd say even better for models and graphics of AI planes) but much more difficult to set. Same for X-Life.

What does lack is the coverage of airports regarding ground routes, let's say AFCAD definitions of FSX, but I guess the more people install XP the faster devs will jump on as they smell new money: I'm quite confident we'll have easier package to set like in FSX. And WT3 will permit AI movements based on apt.dat file like X-Life.

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