Why not i7 4790k

[Rocky_53 1,579]

Check out the Asus Z170-A Then Howard. Was my original choice but ended up with the Deluxe.

Sure, it was the fact that the bundle, which includes the RAM, is a really good deal. If I get an Asus board and assemble a bundle separately, it becomes quite a lot more expensive. Does the Asus come with it's own OC software to make life easier for someone like me!

[Rocky_53 1,579]

Check out the Asus Z170-A Then Howard. Was my original choice but ended up with the Deluxe.

 

What do you think Martin, before I buy?

 

• ASUS Z170-A Intel Skylake SLi/CrossFire ATX Motherboard
• Intel Core i7-6700K
• Hyper 212X Tower CPU Cooler
• Corsair 8GB DDR4 Vengeance LPX 2133MHz (2x 4Gb)

[Charlatan 68]

 

What do you think Martin, before I buy?

 

• ASUS Z170-A Intel Skylake SLi/CrossFire ATX Motherboard
• Intel Core i7-6700K
• Hyper 212X Tower CPU Cooler
• Corsair 8GB DDR4 Vengeance LPX 2133MHz (2x 4Gb)

 

 

That RAM isn't upto the job.  Go with your original bundle, you will not be disappointed with that motherboard.  If you aren't too sure about overclocking just follow this https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18690667

[westman 257]

Its approx 10-11% difference to 3200mhz , like a Oc from 4.2 to 4.6

[DragoB 25]

Hmm, interesting. Well, it seems the 6700 is great for overclocking. Can you or anyone recommend a good cooler for the 6700? rather stick with air rather than liquid, due to cost. Will I be able to get to about 4.6oc on air do you think? 

Have Cryorig H7, really cool temps when overclocked to 4.6GHZ

[Rocky_53 1,579]

Its approx 10-11% difference to 3200mhz , like a Oc from 4.2 to 4.6

 

????? that's the first time I've heard of such large gains in clock speeds due to upping the RAM. Are you sure?

Have Cryorig H7, really cool temps when overclocked to 4.6GHZ

Ah, I hadn't heard of this cooler. Seems to be well reviewed.

[DragoB 25]

Ah, I hadn't heard of this cooler. Seems to be well reviewed.

 

It is quiet, and the installation is so easy! I used the default thermal paste on it because it was better than artic silver (the one almost everyone uses) when dealing with high workload.

Highly recommended!

[jjjallen 37]

4.6 is usually a nice safe OC. The pain starts when you push it over 4.7 at least on my SB / Ivy.

 

Cheers

jja

[westman 257]

Howard, yes iam sure did tests with P3D V3.3 running 1920x1080 more cpu bound with lower resulotion.

6700K @4.5ghz 2400 C15 mems avg 41fps to 45fps @4.5ghz 3200 C15 mems.

 

tested diffirent cpus and mems that time Haswell Skylake , 6700k,5960X,4770K,4790K

 

Haswell 4770K-4790K with DDR3 running 2666mhz C10, Haswell-E with DDR4 3000mhz C15

 

Skylake 6700K from 4.2 up to 5.0ghz and mems from 2400mhz(2133 is like runing DDR3 800mhz on a SB) up to 3600mhz C14

[martin-w 3,235]

 

What do you think Martin, before I buy?

 

• ASUS Z170-A Intel Skylake SLi/CrossFire ATX Motherboard
• Intel Core i7-6700K
• Hyper 212X Tower CPU Cooler
• Corsair 8GB DDR4 Vengeance LPX 2133MHz (2x 4Gb)

 

 

 

 

The Hyper 212 is a "reasonable" cooler. But don't expect greater than a 4.4 OC. Dependant on your specific chips capabilities of course. If that's the way you intend to go, a cheaper cooler, my choice would be the Noctua NH-U14S. Unbeatable Noctua engineering and a tad cooler.

 

Regarding the RAM, Westman is spot on as he usually is! GSkill Ripjaw V is the way to go in my opinion, and if you can nab the 3200 MHz modules all the better. 16GB is 95 quid on Amazon. 2400 MHz is 72 quid... so as you can see, not much extra for the faster, better RAM.

Re the Cryorig H7...

 

As you can see below, the H7 is five degrees warmer than the NH-D15. Same as the D15 in regard to noise levels though which is great.

 

The issue with the H7 that would concern me, is that it doesn't seem to have a "spring retention " mounting system. Which is essential on a large tower cooler in my view. I believe it may be cheaper than the Noctua though, but I personally wouldn't go cheap on cooling.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CRYORIG/H7_Universal/6.html

 Does the Asus come with it's own OC software to make life easier for someone like me!

 

 

Skylake overclocking is usually easy Howard. Manual or auto.

 

Asus boards come with AiSuite 3 and Five Way Optimisation.

 

Five Way Optimisation is auto overlooking that takes into consideration your specific hardware, namely cooling, CPU capabilities and even your PSU's capabilities. It runs sophisticated stress tests automatically to ensure stability.

 

When I tested 5WO, it did add a little extra voltage than my manual overclock, but nothing extreme, well within safe levels. It's designed not to exceed a safe voltage.

 

My impressions of 5WO are here...

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/494147-asus-five-way-optimisation-impressions/

 

My manual overclocking results are here...

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/494544-6700k-manual-overclocking-voltage/

 

Easy  6700K overclocking on Asus boards here...

 

https://rog.asus.com/articles/overclocking/guide-overclocking-core-i7-6700k-on-the-maximus-viii-extreme/

 

All you need for stress testing is ROG RealBench...

 

http://rog.asus.com/rog-pro/realbench-v2-leaderboard/

[Rocky_53 1,579]

It is quiet, and the installation is so easy! I used the default thermal paste on it because it was better than artic silver (the one almost everyone uses) when dealing with high workload.

Highly recommended!

Cheers

 

4.6 is usually a nice safe OC. The pain starts when you push it over 4.7 at least on my SB / Ivy.

 

Cheers

jja

Sure, if I get to 4.6 I'll be happy

 

Howard, yes iam sure did tests with P3D V3.3 running 1920x1080 more cpu bound with lower resulotion.

6700K @4.5ghz 2400 C15 mems avg 41fps to 45fps @4.5ghz 3200 C15 mems.

 

tested diffirent cpus and mems that time Haswell Skylake , 6700k,5960X,4770K,4790K

 

Haswell 4770K-4790K with DDR3 running 2666mhz C10, Haswell-E with DDR4 3000mhz C15

 

Skylake 6700K from 4.2 up to 5.0ghz and mems from 2400mhz(2133 is like runing DDR3 800mhz on a SB) up to 3600mhz C14

Thanks matey that's really interesting, appreciated.

 

The Hyper 212 is a "reasonable" cooler. But don't expect greater than a 4.4 OC. Dependant on your specific chips capabilities of course. If that's the way you intend to go, a cheaper cooler, my choice would be the Noctua NH-U14S. Unbeatable Noctua engineering and a tad cooler.

 

Regarding the RAM, Westman is spot on as he usually is! GSkill Ripjaw V is the way to go in my opinion, and if you can nab the 3200 MHz modules all the better. 16GB is 95 quid on Amazon. 2400 MHz is 72 quid... so as you can see, not much extra for the faster, better RAM.

Re the Cryorig H7...

 

As you can see below, the H7 is five degrees warmer than the NH-D15. Same as the D15 in regard to noise levels though which is great.

 

The issue with the H7 that would concern me, is that it doesn't seem to have a "spring retention " mounting system. Which is essential on a large tower cooler in my view. I believe it may be cheaper than the Noctua though, but I personally wouldn't go cheap on cooling.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CRYORIG/H7_Universal/6.html

 

 

Skylake overclocking is usually easy Howard. Manual or auto.

 

Asus boards come with AiSuite 3 and Five Way Optimisation.

 

Five Way Optimisation is auto overlooking that takes into consideration your specific hardware, namely cooling, CPU capabilities and even your PSU's capabilities. It runs sophisticated stress tests automatically to ensure stability.

 

When I tested 5WO, it did add a little extra voltage than my manual overclock, but nothing extreme, well within safe levels. It's designed not to exceed a safe voltage.

 

My impressions of 5WO are here...

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/494147-asus-five-way-optimisation-impressions/

 

My manual overclocking results are here...

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/494544-6700k-manual-overclocking-voltage/

 

Easy  6700K overclocking on Asus boards here...

 

https://rog.asus.com/articles/overclocking/guide-overclocking-core-i7-6700k-on-the-maximus-viii-extreme/

 

All you need for stress testing is ROG RealBench...

 

http://rog.asus.com/rog-pro/realbench-v2-leaderboard/

Thanks Martin, some great info and advice, which is very much appreciated. Though the RAM you recommend @ 3000Mhz is available as 8gb which is perfect, yes? Is it best to run with 4x or 2x modules? I shouldn't need 16Gb unless you know better? https://www.amazon.co.uk/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-F4-3000C15D-8GRBB-DDR4-Memory/dp/B011SMS0OQ Sorry for all the questions, although I've been an ardent simmer for some years now, my hardware skills are somewhat limited! I have taken on board all the good advice here and will pull the switch on things today, ready to build next week.

[westman 257]

Hi , were out to the local shop to buy a air cooler NH-D15S they have it NOT , bought a cheap Coolermaster hyper212evo buy one noctua next week. Testing Air cooling vs Custom loop for fun.

Have just mounted it on a Asus Hero with a 6700k 3200mhz mem just finished Realbench 15min test at 4.6ghz

The quality is ok but not Noctua engenering ( had noctua before )

[Christopher Low 5,353]

I have a CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo in my current PC, but I am going to make sure that I get a Noctua air cooler next time. I want a huge NH D15 with the double fan. I don't care if single fan is good enough. I want that twin fan monster keeping my CPU in the shade :wink:

[Rocky_53 1,579]

Hi , were out to the local shop to buy a air cooler NH-D15S they have it NOT , bought a cheap Coolermaster hyper212evo buy one noctua next week. Testing Air cooling vs Custom loop for fun.

Have just mounted it on a Asus Hero with a 6700k 3200mhz mem just finished Realbench 15min test at 4.6ghz

The quality is ok but not Noctua engenering ( had noctua before )

 

Sure, decided to follow advice and get the Noctua.

 

I have a CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo in my current PC, but I am going to make sure that I get a Noctua air cooler next time. I want a huge NH D15 with the double fan. I don't care if single fan is good enough. I want that twin fan monster keeping my CPU in the shade :wink:

:smile:  :wink:

[martin-w 3,235]

Cheers

 

Sure, if I get to 4.6 I'll be happy

 

Thanks matey that's really interesting, appreciated.

 

Thanks Martin, some great info and advice, which is very much appreciated. Though the RAM you recommend @ 3000Mhz is available as 8gb which is perfect, yes? Is it best to run with 4x or 2x modules? I shouldn't need 16Gb unless you know better? https://www.amazon.co.uk/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-F4-3000C15D-8GRBB-DDR4-Memory/dp/B011SMS0OQ Sorry for all the questions, although I've been an ardent simmer for some years now, my hardware skills are somewhat limited! I have taken on board all the good advice here and will pull the switch on things today, ready to build next week.

 

 

It's the 8gb 3200 modules I recommend. 

 

The price difference between 8 and 16 GB is, as I said, small. Up to you though. Two sticks is best, but Skylake does seem to handle 4 sticks better than older platforms. I'd still opt for two though.

 

To clarify, it's the NH-D15S you should opt for. The high comparability version. And make sure your case is big enough.

I have a CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo in my current PC, but I am going to make sure that I get a Noctua air cooler next time. I want a huge NH D15 with the double fan. I don't care if single fan is good enough. I want that twin fan monster keeping my CPU in the shade :wink:

 

 

 

:smile: Only two degrees different Chris with one fan. But if you are desperate for two fans, why not get the D15S and add a second fan. It comes with the clips to do just that.

 

That way you get the high compatibility version... but still the two fans you want. Not sure how the extra fan would impact the RAM though.