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Merge TDS/PMDG 737NG - PMDG notification: CG not within tolerance, aircraft unflyable

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Hi everyone! Sorry about my English!

I know that there isn't any support from PMDG for merge and because of this, I'm trying with you that knows everything about merge.

I'm trying merge TDS 737 model and PMDG panel. My idea is use TDS model only (without aircraft.cfg and .air files) and the PMDG files (aircraft.cfg and .air, panel).

I've got the merge but, when I'm trying to take off, right after 80 knots, appears a message "PMDG notification: CG not within tolerance, aircraft unflyable".

All information about the Weight and Balance and Fuel, is coming from the PMDG. I've just changed the contact points.

I don't understand why this message, if the merge that i did is essentially a PMDG inside a TDS skin.

Below, there are some screens showing the FMC programation, rolling to take off and the message from PMDG.

Is there any way to merge them? Is there any way to cancel that message?

Can someone help me?

Regards.

 

Cláudio

 

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This is my Aircraft.cfg

 

 

 

// WARNING NEVER TAKE OFF "FREEWARE_©_TDS_16AUG2013" from title=        -------------------------
// If you do those , wings will be gone and other unexpected things will happen.            |
// Title must be under 127 character since FSX will cause error when exceed.                |
// If you have any problems please find our Facebook Group Support Page at                |
// https://www.facebook.com/groups/TDS.SkySpirit.B737NG/                        |                    
//                                                    |
// +A ... Option Antenna                                        |
// +D ... Option Decal                                            |
// +B ... Option Beacon Position                                    |
//                                                     |
// Number after Above is Hex and checks at Bit                                |
//0 = 0000                                                |    DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING
//1 = 0001                                                |    BETWEEN THESE BRACKETS
//2 = 0010                                                |----    THIS IS INFO FOR OUR
//3 = 0011                                                |    SECURITY CODES AND MODEL
//4 = 0100                                                |    OPTIONS.
//5 = 0101                                                |
//6 = 0110                                                |
//7 = 0111                                                |
//8 = 1000                                                |
//9 = 1001                                                |
//A = 1010                                                |
//B = 1011                                                |
//C = 1100                                                |
//D = 1101                                                |
//E = 1110                                                |
//F = 1111                                    ------------------------|



/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
//            VERSION 1.0
//        
//Build 30
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////


[fltsim.0]
//    0         1         2         3         4         5         6         7         8         9         0         1         2
//    01234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567
title=PMDG 737-800 - Winglets FREEWARE_©_TDS_16AUG2013_738_CFM56-7B--W2__+A3200_+D0010_+B0
//sim=TDSBoeing737-800w
sim=B737-800WL
model=B--W3
panel=
sound=
texture=N37277
atc_id_color=0xffffffff
atc_id=N738PM
atc_airline=
atc_flight_number=737
ui_manufacturer=Teste Boeing-PMDG 737 WL
ui_type=737-800 WL
ui_variation=TDS 737-800 Scimitar
description=Boeing 737-800 with CFM56-7B26 engines v 1.0\nPrecision Manuals Development Group\nwww.precisionmanuals.com \nFor use with BOEING 737: The Next Generation by PMDG \nFor Technical Support please visit www.precisionmanuals.com or email support@precisionmanuals.com \nPMDG Developer and Customer Forum available at our website. \nSounds Developed in conjunction with SkySong Soundworks \nFSUIPC Commercially Licensed from Pete Downson \nAll Artwork encoded using Digimark Technology \nFor Registration or License Questions please contact registration@precisionmanuals.com \nThank you for supporting PMDG!\n
visual_damage=0
atc_heavy=0
kb_reference=PMDG737NG_REF
kb_checklists=PMDG737NG_CHECK



////////////////////////////////////////////////////////




[General]
atc_type=BOEING AIRCRAFT
atc_model=B737
editable=1
performance=


[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]
reference_datum_position= 52.786,  0.000, 1.861  // Vector of Boeing RFP to visual mode centre !! People DO NOT TOUCH !!
empty_weight_CG_position=-57.770,  0.000, 0.000
max_number_of_stations=50
empty_weight=91108.000
empty_weight_roll_MOI=  1630328.70
empty_weight_pitch_MOI= 2103844.05 // was 2734997.20
empty_weight_yaw_MOI=   1754301.78 // was 2403392.37
empty_weight_coupled_MOI=212.00
//
//station_load.0=0.0, -57.450, 0.000, 1.050
station_load.0=0.0, -57.770, 0.000, 1.050
//
max_gross_weight=174200.000
CG_forward_limit=0.133
CG_aft_limit=0.330
//CG_forward_limit       = 0
//CG_aft_limit           = 1

//station_load.1=30240.0, -57.450, 0.000, 1.050
//station_load.2= 4782.0, -57.450, 0.000, 1.050
//station_load.3= 9050.0, -57.450, 0.000, 1.050

station_load.1= 26710.0, -57.770, 0.000, 1.050
station_load.2=  4782.0, -57.770, 0.000, 1.050
station_load.3=  5528.0, -57.770, 0.000, 1.050

[airplane_geometry]
wing_area=1348.000
wing_span=112.58
wing_root_chord=18.900
wing_dihedral=6.250
wing_incidence=0.0  // Inop in FS9
wing_twist=    0.0  //      ditto
oswald_efficiency_factor=0.782
wing_winglets_flag=1
wing_sweep=25.000
wing_pos_apex_lon=-43.800
wing_pos_apex_vert=-0.500
htail_area=355.000
htail_span=47.000
htail_pos_lon=-115.20
htail_pos_vert=6.800
htail_incidence=0.0
htail_sweep=30.000
vtail_area=285.000
vtail_span=24.000
vtail_sweep=35.000
vtail_pos_lon=-111.700
vtail_pos_vert=12.400
elevator_area=70.875
aileron_area=26.926
rudder_area=56.484
elevator_up_limit=22.000
elevator_down_limit=18.000
aileron_up_limit=30.000
aileron_down_limit=30.000
rudder_limit=40.000
elevator_trim_limit=11.500
spoiler_limit=100.00
spoilerons_available=1
aileron_to_spoileron_gain=1.50
min_ailerons_for_spoilerons=10.0
min_flaps_for_spoilerons=0.000

//[fuel]
//Center1=  -54.670,   0.000, -2.800, 4299.000, 0.000
//LeftMain= -62.120, -16.000, -0.800, 1288.000, 0.000
//RightMain=-62.120,  16.000, -0.800, 1288.000, 0.000
//fuel_type=2.000000
//number_of_tank_selectors=1
//electric_pump=1

[fuel]
Center1=  -57.770,   0.000, -2.800, 4299.000, 0.000
LeftMain= -62.120, -16.000, -0.800, 1288.000, 0.000
RightMain=-62.120,  16.000, -0.800, 1288.000, 0.000
fuel_type=2.000000
number_of_tank_selectors=1
electric_pump=1


//[contact_points]

//0  Class                        <0=none,1=wheel, 2=scrape, 3=float>
//1  Longitudinal Position        (feet)
//2  Lateral Position             (feet)
//3  Vertical Position            (feet)
//4  Impact Damage Threshold      (Feet Per Minute)
//5  Brake Map                    (0=None, 1=Left, 2=Right)
//6  Wheel Radius                 (feet)
//7  Steer Angle                  (degrees)
//8  Static Compression           (feet)  (0 if rigid)
//9  Max/Static Compression Ratio
//10 Damping Ratio                (0=Undamped, 1=Critically Damped)
//11 Extension Time               (seconds)
//12 Retraction Time              (seconds)
//13 Sound Type
//14 Airspeed limit for retraction     (KIAS)
//15 Airspeed that gear gets damage at (KIAS)


//point.0=1.000, -13.416,   0.000, -10.021, 1200.000, 0.000, 1.191, 60.000, 0.655, 1.769, 0.736,  8.000, 7.500, 0.000, 270.000, 230.000
//point.1=1.000, -65.500,  -9.375, -10.100, 1500.000, 1.000, 1.823,  0.000, 0.611, 1.897, 0.797, 10.000, 9.500, 2.000, 270.000, 230.000
//point.2=1.000, -65.500,   9.375, -10.100, 1500.000, 2.000, 1.823,  0.000, 0.611, 1.897, 0.797,  9.000, 8.500, 3.000, 270.000, 230.000
//point.3=2.000, -84.286, -56.917,   2.088, 350.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 5.000, 0.000, 0.000
//point.4=2.000, -84.286,  56.917,   2.088, 350.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000
//point.5=2.000,-117.196,   0.000,  -1.497, 750.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 9.000, 0.000, 0.000
//point.6=2.000,  -0.610,   0.000,  -0.918, 350.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 4.000, 0.000, 0.000
//static_pitch=-0.20
//static_cg_height=7.95
//gear_system_type=0


[contact_points]

point.0=1.000, -13.416,   0.000, -10.521, 1200.000, 0.000, 1.191, 60.000, 0.655, 1.769, 0.736,  8.000, 7.500, 0.000, 270.000, 230.000
point.1=1.000, -65.500,  -9.375, -11.550, 1500.000, 1.000, 1.823,  0.000, 0.611, 1.897, 0.797, 10.000, 9.500, 2.000, 270.000, 230.000
point.2=1.000, -65.500,   9.375, -11.550, 1500.000, 2.000, 1.823,  0.000, 0.611, 1.897, 0.797,  9.000, 8.500, 3.000, 270.000, 230.000
point.3=2.000, -84.286, -56.917,   2.088, 350.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 5.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.4=2.000, -84.286,  56.917,   2.088, 350.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.5=2.000,-117.196,   0.000,  -1.497, 750.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 9.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.6=2.000,  -0.610,   0.000,  -0.918, 350.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 4.000, 0.000, 0.000

static_pitch=-0.20
static_cg_height=7.95
gear_system_type=0


[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type=1
Engine.0=-57.847, -17.500, -5.300
Engine.1=-57.847,  17.500, -5.300
fuel_flow_scalar=1.2105
min_throttle_limit=-0.22

[TurbineEngineData]
fuel_flow_gain=0.002
inlet_area=22.619
rated_N2_rpm=13200.000
static_thrust=24200.0         // Adjusted to 26300.000 by EEC
afterburner_available=0
reverser_available=1

[jet_engine]
thrust_scalar=1.000

[Reference Speeds]
flaps_up_stall_speed=165.000
full_flaps_stall_speed=132.000
cruise_speed=451.000
max_indicated_speed=340.000000
max_mach=0.825000

[keyboard_response]
elevator=150.000000,250.000000
aileron=150.000000,250.000000
rudder=150.000000,250.000000

[Views]
eyepoint=-6.993,-1.730,3.75

[autopilot]
autopilot_available=1
flight_director_available=1
default_vertical_speed=1800.000000
autothrottle_available=1
autothrottle_arming_required=1
autothrottle_takeoff_ga=1
autothrottle_max_rpm=93.000000
pitch_takeoff_ga=14.000000
use_no_default_pitch=1 // 0 = Default to current pitch mode, 1 = No default pitch mode.
use_no_default_bank=1  // 0 = Default to Wing Leveler mode, 1 = No default bank mode.
default_pitch_mode=0
default_bank_mode=0
max_pitch=10.000000
max_pitch_acceleration=1.000000
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.000000
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.500000
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.000000
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.000000
max_bank=25.000000
max_bank_acceleration=1.800000
max_bank_velocity=3.000000
max_throttle_rate=0.100000
nav_proportional_control=9.000000
nav_integrator_control=0.250000
nav_derivative_control=0.000000
nav_integrator_boundary=2.500000
nav_derivative_boundary=0.000000
gs_proportional_control=9.520000
gs_integrator_control=0.260000
gs_derivative_control=0.000000
gs_integrator_boundary=0.700000
gs_derivative_boundary=0.000000
yaw_damper_gain=0.000000

[direction_indicators]
direction_indicator.0=3,0

[Radios]
// Radio Type=availiable, standby frequency, has glide slope
Audio.1=1
Com.1=1,1,0
Com.2=1,1,0
Nav.1=1,1,1
Nav.2=1,1,1
Adf.1=1
Adf.2=1
Transponder.1=1
Marker.1=1

[LIGHTS]
//737-800winglets
light.0 = 2,  -130.000,   0.090,  5.989, fx_strobe_pmdg ,  //Aft Strobe
light.2 = 1,   -51.750,   0.000,  8.700, fx_beaconh_pmdg , //Top Beacon Blink
light.3 = 1,   -65.900,   0.000, -5.750, fx_beaconh_pmdg , //Bottom Beacon Blink
light.4 = 3,   -79.000, -55.665,  2.100, fx_navred_pmdg ,  //Left Nav Light red
light.5 = 2,   -78.800, -55.986,  2.100, fx_strobe_pmdg ,  //Left Strobe
light.6 = 3,   -79.000,  55.665,  2.100, fx_navgre_pmdg ,  //Right Nav Light green
light.7 = 2,   -78.800,  56.200,  2.100, fx_strobe_pmdg ,  //Right Strobe
light.8 = 3,   -84.800, -56.737,  1.800, fx_navwhi_pmdg ,  //Left Position Light
light.9 = 3,   -84.800,  56.691,  1.800, fx_navwhi_pmdg ,  //Right Position Light
light.10 = 3, -130.000,  -0.090,  5.989, fx_navwhi_pmdg ,  //Aft Position Light
light.11 = 5,  -48.500,  11.500, -2.000, fx_pmdgland,      //Landing Light Illumination Engine Right
light.12 = 5,  -48.500, -11.500, -2.000, fx_pmdgland,      //Landing Light Illunination Engine Left
light.13 = 5,  -16.000,   0.000, -4.500, fx_pmdgland,      //Landing Light Illumination Nose Gear
light.14 = 8,  -63.000, -40.000,  0.000, fx_pmdgwinglight
light.15 = 8,  -63.000,  40.000,  0.000, fx_pmdgwinglight

[sMOKESYSTEM]
smoke.0=0.00, -7.00, 0.00, fx_pmdg737cabin

[EXITS]
number_of_exits=4


[EFFECTS]
wake=fx_wake
water=fx_spray
dirt=fx_tchdrt
concrete=fx_sparks
touchdown=fx_tchdwn, 1

[forcefeedback]
gear_bump_nose_magnitude=3000           ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_nose_direction=18000          ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_nose_duration=250000          ; in microseconds
gear_bump_left_magnitude=2700           ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_left_direction=35500          ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_left_duration=250000          ; in microseconds
gear_bump_right_magnitude=2700          ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_right_direction=00500         ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_right_duration=250000         ; in microseconds
ground_bumps_magnitude1=1300            ; 0 - 10000
ground_bumps_angle1=08900               ; 0 - 35999 degrees
ground_bumps_intercept1=3.0
ground_bumps_slope1=0.20
ground_bumps_magnitude2=200             ; 0 - 10000
ground_bumps_angle2=09100               ; 0 - 35999 degrees
ground_bumps_intercept2=1.075
ground_bumps_slope2=0.035
crash_magnitude1=10000                  ; 0 - 10000
crash_direction1=01000                  ; 0 - 35999 degrees
crash_magnitude2=10000                  ; 0 - 10000
crash_direction2=9000                   ; 0 - 35999 degrees
crash_period2=75000                     ; in microseconds
crash_duration2=2500000                 ; in microseconds

[flight_tuning]
cruise_lift_scalar=1.000
pitch_stability=1.000
roll_stability=1.000
yaw_stability=1.000
parasite_drag_scalar=1.000
induced_drag_scalar=1.000
elevator_effectiveness=1.000
aileron_effectiveness=1.000
rudder_effectiveness=1.000
elevator_trim_effectiveness=0.80    // Another FS9 success story
aileron_trim_effectiveness=1.00
rudder_trim_effectiveness=1.00

[Flaps.0]
type=1
span-outboard=0.690
extending-time=35.000
system_type=1
damaging-speed=260.000
blowout-speed=280.000
lift_scalar=1.000
drag_scalar=1.000
pitch_scalar=1.00
flaps-position.0=0.000, 0.000
flaps-position.1=1.000, 0.000
flaps-position.2=2.000, 0.000
flaps-position.3=5.000, 0.000
flaps-position.4=10.000, 0.000
flaps-position.5=15.000, 0.000
flaps-position.6=25.000, 0.000
flaps-position.7=30.000, 0.000
flaps-position.8=40.000, 0.000

[Flaps.1]
type=1
span-outboard=0.950
extending-time=35.000
system_type=1
damaging-speed=250.000
blowout-speed=270.000
lift_scalar=1.000
drag_scalar=0.000
pitch_scalar=-30.0
flaps-position.0=0.000
flaps-position.1=2.000
flaps-position.2=3.000
flaps-position.3=4.725
flaps-position.4=0.000
flaps-position.5=0.000
flaps-position.6=0.000
flaps-position.7=0.000
flaps-position.8=0.000

[Flaps.2]
type=1
span-outboard=0.950
extending-time=35.000
system_type=1
damaging-speed=220.000
blowout-speed=230.000
lift_scalar=-1.000
drag_scalar=0.000
pitch_scalar=-30.500
flaps-position.0=0.000
flaps-position.1=0.000
flaps-position.2=0.000
flaps-position.3=0.000
flaps-position.4=2.000
flaps-position.5=2.000
flaps-position.6=4.500
flaps-position.7=8.000
flaps-position.8=8.000


[Flaps.3]
type=2
span-outboard=0.001
extending-time=7.5
system_type=1
damaging-speed=250.000
blowout-speed=270.000
lift_scalar=0.000
drag_scalar=0.000
pitch_scalar=0.000
flaps-position.0=0.0
flaps-position.1=25.0
flaps-position.2=25.0
flaps-position.3=25.0
flaps-position.4=25.0
flaps-position.5=40.0
flaps-position.6=40.0
flaps-position.7=40.0
flaps-position.8=40.0

[brakes]
toe_brakes_scale=0.735496
parking_brake=1

[gear_warning_system]
gear_warning_available=0
pct_throttle_limit=0.099976
flap_limit_power=25.995095
flap_limit_idle=2.864789

[hydraulic_system]
electric_pumps=0
engine_map=1,1,0,0
normal_pressure=4000.000000

[stall_warning]
type=1

[attitude_indicators]
attitude_indicator.0=1

[turn_indicators]
turn_indicator.0=1,0

[TailHook]
tailhook_length=1    
tailhook_position = 1,1,1
cable_force_adjust = 1.0

[electrical]
max_battery_voltage= 24
generator_alternator_voltage = 28
max_generator_alternator_amps = 80
flap_motor         = 0, 1 , 5.0
gear_motor         = 0, 1 , 5.0
autopilot          = 1, 1 , 10.0
avionics_bus       = 0, 1,  10.0
avionics           = 1, 1 , 10.0
pitot_heat         = 2, 1 , 1.0
additional_system  = 0, 1,  3.0
marker_beacon      = 1, 1 , 2.0
gear_warning       = 0, 1 , 5.0
fuel_pump          = 0, 1 , 10.0
starter1           = 0, 1, 17.0
starter2           = 0, 1, 17.0
light_nav          = 0, 1 , 5.0
light_beacon       = 2, 1 , 5.0
light_landing      = 0, 1 , 22.0
light_taxi         = 0, 1 , 22.0
light_strobe       = 0, 1 , 10.0
light_panel        = 2, 1 , 3.0
hydraulic_pump     = 0, 1, 10.0
light_recognition     = 0, 1, 10.0
light_wing         = 0, 1, 10.0
light_logo         = 0, 1, 15.0
 

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I think you may need to move the empty CG 15 ft forward. At least this is what I had to do when I merged TDS with iFly.

 

PS: Seu inglês é muito melhor que o meu portunhol...

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I think you may need to move the empty CG 15 ft forward. At least this is what I had to do when I merged TDS with iFly.

 

PS: Seu inglês é muito melhor que o meu portunhol...

 

Hi Luis and thanks for your response!

OK! I'll try this.

Muito obrigado! Gracias!

 

Cláudio

 

PS: minha situação é pior pois, eu não consigo escrever nada em espanhol... :brazil-flag:

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Cláudio, since you should have the original PMDG 738 installed, please post only the [weight_and_balance] and [contact_points] sections of your original, un-merged PMDG 738 aircraft.cfg.

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