FF 757 v 2.0

[avgaskoolaid 292]

Regarding the  update pricing, ramzzess gave a very well reasoned explanation here http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/109252-update-a-bit-pricey/

 

 

 

ok guys, I want to clarify a few things.

1. the model was never announced or discussed by us before 2 weeks ago and was never intended to be just an update. Rumors are another thing which we do not control. 

2. This is a totally new model, with a lot of new features, some of them were already seen in the 767, some not! Just see the new VTM system.

3. This is an XP11 plane! Buying it you are signing again for 3-4 years of free updates.

4. v1 extended users. please do not worry, when v2 extended is ready we will not charge you the full 20$ (or whatever it costs) we will give you a big discount on it.

Please understand. for us, the amount of work done was just like for any new plane, and we are singing for 3-4 years of updates which is more work. We can not treat it as a regular update.

For example, Laminar offers no discount at all to XP10 users 

 

Make of it what you will. I don't have the 757v1, but if I look at videos/pictures/reviews of it and compare them with the 2016 standard 767 which I own and love, it's clear that the plane was built again from the ground up both visual model and systems wise. Throw in the BSS sounds and IMO the price is very fair, especially considering how it's guaranteed to work with XP11.

 

That being said, the liveries are an absolute joke. 3 fictional liveries in the base pack and only 3 'real' ones? $10 each for a pack of poor quality paints, half of which are fictional? Give me a break. Thankfully, cessnarox has already completed a Delta livery on the org, and I'm sure that within a month we'll be awash in high quality liveries so that nobody has to support FlightFactor's moronic price-gouging in this regard. 

[Domestos 10]

I think the problem is not really the cost or upgrade discount, it's the fact that they've made another 757. The new one may be a lovely aircraft, but it's still the same plane as before. They have a 767 and 757 and they're so similar in operation that I'd feel a bit wasteful if I upgraded. If they put all that time and talent into something else then I'd be all over it cos they are definately amongst the best x-plane developers out there.

The new 757 is worth every penny in my opinion, but not when I've already got one almost as snazzy.

 

Jim

[ViperXBR 32]

I think the problem is not really the cost or upgrade discount, it's the fact that they've made another 757. The new one may be a lovely aircraft, but it's still the same plane as before. They have a 767 and 757 and they're so similar in operation that I'd feel a bit wasteful if I upgraded. If they put all that time and talent into something else then I'd be all over it cos they are definately amongst the best x-plane developers out there.

The new 757 is worth every penny in my opinion, but not when I've already got one almost as snazzy.

 

Jim

 

+1!!

 

Totally agree!  I'm not paying again for the same aircraft.  I don't care how many changes/fixes there were.  If it's the exact same aircraft, it should be a free update/upgrade.

 

I got burned once before by another developer, Captain SIm (FS9/FSX/P3D), and funny enough it was for the exact same aircraft, B757, doing the exact same thing.  They had 4 major versions of the 757 and they charged for every release yet the version I had, v3.x, was buggy and not even complete.  Lets just say I dropped them like a lead weight.  I've never seen this from other major sim add-on players in the market, ie PMDG, Aerosoft, etc.  I completely disagree with this sort of business tactic and will end my relation with them.  As far as I'm concern, if you want to make $$, develop something new and keep your current customers happy.  Making them pay for the same product is not the way to do it.

[JLuis 409]

+1!!

 

Totally agree!  I'm not paying again for the same aircraft.  I don't care how many changes/fixes there were.  If it's the exact same aircraft, it should be a free update/upgrade.

 

I got burned once before by another developer, Captain SIm (FS9/FSX/P3D), and funny enough it was for the exact same aircraft, B757, doing the exact same thing.  They had 4 major versions of the 757 and they charged for every release yet the version I had, v3.x, was buggy and not even complete.  Lets just say I dropped them like a lead weight.  I've never seen this from other major sim add-on players in the market, ie PMDG, Aerosoft, etc.  I completely disagree with this sort of business tactic and will end my relation with them.  As far as I'm concern, if you want to make $$, develop something new and keep your current customers happy.  Making them pay for the same product is not the way to do it.

 

+1 I agree... :smile:

[x-plane 123 61]

 

 

I've never seen this from other major sim add-on players in the market, ie PMDG, Aerosoft, etc

 

I've always been an X-Plane user so I could be wrong, but isn't this basically the same as what PMDG has done with the 737 from FS9 to FSX to P3D or the 747 from v1 to v2?

[ViperXBR 32]

I've always been an X-Plane user so I could be wrong, but isn't this basically the same as what PMDG has done with the 737 from FS9 to FSX to P3D or the 747 from v1 to v2?

 

No not quite the same.  Yes, they charge for the add-on(737/777) on each different platform(FSX & P3D) becasue of Commercial licenseing of P3D(not for entertainment purposes like FSX/X-Plane),but any improvements/bug fixes/updates that are done to one(ie on P3D), are implemented to the other(ie on FSX).  The original 747 was a FS9 port over to FSX and was going on 10yrs old and was no longer actively developed.  Very old tech and not even close to the same as to what we are discussing here.  FF 757 is only a couple years old and active.

[Leandros Varus 5]

This looks absolutely fantastic, but $45 to pick up an upgrade?! Is this just me be entitled or is this a bit unfair of a price?

 

With so many great addons coming out and just getting XP 11 I do not think this is justifiable of a purchase.

[pt6a50 0]

For the price you cant go wrong....completely 2 different planes V1 vs V2...I have em both and now V2 is much more immersive.

[rototom 198]

For the price you cant go wrong....completely 2 different planes V1 vs V2...I have em both and now V2 is much m

 

+1!!

 

Totally agree!  I'm not paying again for the same aircraft.  I don't care how many changes/fixes there were.  If it's the exact same aircraft, it should be a free update/upgrade.

 

I got burned once before by another developer, Captain SIm (FS9/FSX/P3D), and funny enough it was for the exact same aircraft, B757, doing the exact same thing.  They had 4 major versions of the 757 and they charged for every release yet the version I had, v3.x, was buggy and not even complete.  Lets just say I dropped them like a lead weight.  I've never seen this from other major sim add-on players in the market, ie PMDG, Aerosoft, etc.  I completely disagree with this sort of business tactic and will end my relation with them.  As far as I'm concern, if you want to make $$, develop something new and keep your current customers happy.  Making them pay for the same product is not the way to do it.

 

 

Agreed. This is not a completely new aircraft. And that should be obvious based on the timelines. I won't be buying it, and probably nothing else from them.

 

 

I think the problem is not really the cost or upgrade discount, it's the fact that they've made another 757. The new one may be a lovely aircraft, but it's still the same plane as before. They have a 767 and 757 and they're so similar in operation that I'd feel a bit wasteful if I upgraded. If they put all that time and talent into something else then I'd be all over it cos they are definately amongst the best x-plane developers out there.

The new 757 is worth every penny in my opinion, but not when I've already got one almost as snazzy.

 

Jim

 

Yeah, definitely a lot of commonality between them. I'm sure they reused a lot of code.

[Raven9000 272]

No not quite the same.  Yes, they charge for the add-on(737/777) on each different platform(FSX & P3D) becasue of Commercial licenseing of P3D(not for entertainment purposes like FSX/X-Plane),but any improvements/bug fixes/updates that are done to one(ie on P3D), are implemented to the other(ie on FSX).  The original 747 was a FS9 port over to FSX and was going on 10yrs old and was no longer actively developed.  Very old tech and not even close to the same as to what we are discussing here.  FF 757 is only a couple years old and active.

That "becasue of commercial licensing" is BS and we all know it.. that's why other developers don't charge it.

[ViperXBR 32]

That "becasue of commercial licensing" is BS and we all know it.. that's why other developers don't charge it.

 

Be that as it may, paying for an upgrade to an already existing product on the same platform is BS and simply a cash grab and we all know it.

[Leandros Varus 5]

Be that as it may, paying for an upgrade to an already existing product on the same platform is BS and simply a cash grab and we all know it.

Not to mention the probable far less work put into upgrading this existing product than it was to create V1 and we still end up with a high price that is a discount. I appreciate the work they do, but to me this is just a bit greedy for something that isn't all that new. 

 

I mean look at other developers who go through considerable changes with their products yet still end up giving them out for free(SSG). I'm fine with paying for an upgrade, but $25 dollars sounds acceptable for an upgrade while still maintaining the high price point for new customers does it not?

[sizziano 172]

wow, except cockpit, it looks bad.  decade older cs757 is competitive with this

 

Ehhhh.... I beg to differ.

[x-plane 123 61]

One thing that a lot of people seem to be missing is that this includes free updates for the life of XP11 and will take advantage of new features. People paid $135 for the PMDG 777 in P3D, which was essentially the same aircraft as the FSX version. Compared to that, $45 isn't that bad considering it's been completely redone and we get free updates for the next version of our simulator (although I wouldn't have complained had the upgrade cost been in the $20-$25 range). 

 

I also understand all the people who already have the 767 and feel this is basically the same aircraft. I decided to hold out for the 757 v2 rather than buy the 767 since the 757 is my favorite aircraft in real life, but had I been in the same situation as you I would have completely agreed.

 

I also agree with everyone about the payware liveries. Either include them with the aircraft, make them worth buying, or don't make them at all.   Their are only two real operators in each of the North American, Europe #2, and Asia packs.

[shaddyy 9]

One thing that a lot of people seem to be missing is that this includes free updates for the life of XP11 and will take advantage of new features. People paid $135 for the PMDG 777 in P3D, which was essentially the same aircraft as the FSX version. Compared to that, $45 isn't that bad considering it's been completely redone and we get free updates for the next version of our simulator (although I wouldn't have complained had the upgrade cost been in the $20-$25 range). 

 

I also understand all the people who already have the 767 and feel this is basically the same aircraft. I decided to hold out for the 757 v2 rather than buy the 767 since the 757 is my favorite aircraft in real life, but had I been in the same situation as you I would have completely agreed.

 

I also agree with everyone about the payware liveries. Either include them with the aircraft, make them worth buying, or don't make them at all.   Their are only two real operators in each of the North American, Europe #2, and Asia packs.

I don't know if you know or not, but laminar research have stated multiple times that if your plane works in XP10 right now it will work in XP11 with no issues, just need to open it in plane maker and save it. They stressed that heavily, so it won't break like P3D planes tend to on that platform. This pretty much nullifies the pay for XP11 support. Also you can get PBR reflections too without the devs doing it. This is why many people disagree with the price as do I.