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I'm completely sold to the 1C / 777 IL-2 Battle of ... series...

 

Have all of the releases theatres and airplanes and already the upcoming pre-release Battle of Kuban and the ju52-3m and Yak1b collector planes...

 

IL-2 started for me as a final evaluation for yet another flight simulator, focusing mainly on prop aircraft simulation, and has stayed in my disk, together with Aerowinx PSX and ELITE like no other sims that I keep installing and soon, uninstalling because for this or that reason they aren't up to my expectations.

 

Today the authors just released yet another Dev Update ( weekly ) that reveals even better things to come :-)

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/page-4#entry405724

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It's much better flight dynamics wise, and immersion wise, but also scenery, weather and overall physics wise :-)

 

Yes tye cockpits aren't clickable, apparently a must for some users - not my case because I don't bother having to assign keyboard or button / slider controls, but systems are complex enough, and in some aspects ( like damage modeling ) even further than DCS.

 

But it's the unique flight dynamics, that I have to put ahead of even DCS ww2 modules, that sold me 100 % to this combat sim, for quite a long while now :-)

 

I did try CoD, and older il2 versions in the past ( more than 16 yrs ago ) but believe me, this version, resulting from the merge of 1C and 777 teams is way ahead in all aspects.

 

Truth is I am certainly not a seasoned combat flightsim user, and I actually do not like air combat, although I confess I play it more and more with il2 BoS and BoM.

 

My first digression into this modern combat sims was DCS, in November 2012, when I bought the recently released p51d after playing it at a friends PC who was getting tired of my complains about the not so good flight dynamics in x-plane 10 and fsx.., and I noticed the potential and much better feel in DCS right away. Then sometime latter that same simmer friend who had "pushed" me into DCS, offered me the pre-release BoS.  I admit I was extremely reluctant about adopting yet another combat flight simulator, specially because around that time I was again very involved in X-Plane 10 and FSX / P3D, but eventually I was really amazed by the quality of the graphics AND, above all, the flight dynamics.

 

Along it's recent history IL2 BoS and now BoM and the upcoming BoK has gone through major updates. It went from 32 to 64 bit in 2015, it is about to go DX11, and in parallel to this, the small but extremely talented and dedicated 1C /777 team really works at a pace that leaves me speechless. The fine tuning of the various aircraft modules has brought il2 BoS/M to a level that I consider unique and way ahead of any other flight simulator I have used.

 

There are no 3pds in this platform, all content being released by 1C / 777 only, although some talented users contribute with interesting tools that I never used ( mission editors mostly ).

 

After the last years jumping between FSX, P3D, XPX, Aerofly, MS FLIGHT, DCS and even PSX, I have restricted my simmer slots to il2 and keep using ELITE, but that's a different league :-)

 

I honestly can't find anywhere near a sensation of "being there" and feeling flight, even if virtual, like in any of the il2 aircraft modules, and eagerly awaiting the Yak-1b, Ju 52 and other Battle of Kuban modules.

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nonsense DCS is the BEST

 

At what?

 

For modern tactical air combat simulation, the best remains Falcon BMS.

 

DCS is full of posers.  :-P

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At what?

 

For modern tactical air combat simulation, the best remains Falcon BMS.

 

DCS is full of posers. :-P

At a lot of things and BMS is something i stopped using years back not my favorite aircraft.

 

I don't do combat just do normal flights with some aerobatics on the VA server and doing nav now.

 

DCS is the BEST

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For helicopters, flight dynamics wise, DCS is really the best, IMO.

 

I think some modules like the Mig-21 also excel in quality and detail.

 

For the ww2 props, I have mixed feelings, and this not taking into account immersion from proper scenery like what we have in il2 vs the Caucasus and Nevada to fly ww2 fighters in DCS, but flight and systems modelling wise, they occupy my first place among all sims I have used.

 

I still start il2 more often though... It's easier to get into action :-), but this "easier" is not a synonym of arcadish!

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No no no, il2 is the best!  1,000 times il2 is the best !!!!!

 

How 1000 times better ?

For helicopters, flight dynamics wise, DCS is really the best, IMO.

 

I think some modules like the Mig-21 also excel in quality and detail.

 

For the ww2 props, I have mixed feelings, and this not taking into account immersion from proper scenery like what we have in il2 vs the Caucasus and Nevada to fly ww2 fighters in DCS, but flight and systems modelling wise, they occupy my first place among all sims I have used.

 

I still start il2 more often though... It's easier to get into action :-), but this "easier" is not a synonym of arcadish!

 

For helis / jets nothing is close to DCS IMO 

 

If I want combat and i still prefer DGFT's then i would probably go with il2. 

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Ah!  But there are also aerobatics and race servers for IL-2, and the new smoke systems look great!

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Ah!  But there are also aerobatics and race servers for IL-2, and the new smoke systems look great!

 

Does it have a 21 ?

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Does it have a 21 ?

 

Nope, and for that one, I think you have the best ever available choice - the Leatheneck Simulations Mig-21 - a True Masterpiece!

 

I fell "in love" for the flight dynamics and overall immersion provided by 1C / 777s IL-2 Battle of ... series, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize what is also so special and superior about DCS World offers.

 

DCS World is simply the most remarkable jet fighter simulation, from a flight dynamics pov. Of course the F-16 simulator (  BLM ) is the Aerowinx PSX of modern jet fighter simulation, very specific of that aircraft and certainly a masterpiece, but I really do not like air war :-) and look a lot more for great flight dynamics, specially for rotary wing and prop aircraft.

 

Both rotary wing and props ( ww2 ) are exceptionally made by DCS, but il-2 offers similar quality in terms of flight dynamics and a much more immersive scenery, in all aspects. Only thing ( not a problem for me ) il-2 doesn't offer like DCS are the clickable cockpits. You have to do everything through keyboard shortcuts and / or controller buttons, sliders, axis...

 

The other aspect that doesn't allow for the user to perform himself are the start-up / shutdown procedures. They are run by the true POHs, but automatically by the virtual pilot. Details like cold weather effects when starting n engine are perfectly modelled though, just like in DCS, as well as engine damage from overstress, and above all, il-2 has a more sophisticated damage model.

 

For those willing to fly ww2 aircraft, like museum specimens, both DCS and il-2 do a great job. For those willing to play in a ww2 environment, DCS is, IMH, lagging way behind IL-2.

 

Flight dynamics and overall physics wise, all summed up, both simulators are on the very first place of the podium, ex-aequo, comparing to ANY other PC-based flight simulator I have used in all of my 25+ years of flight simulation, and that's way I eventually completely gave up on my civil platforms ( ELITE IFR being the only exception because again it is very specific and oriented towards IFR training for RW pilots... and because I am a beta tester for ELITE IFR :-) )

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FSX 4eva  :wink:

 

Actually, I've been reinstalling lots of my ORBX stuff using the new FTX central and flying around in FSX SE. It looks a little dated compared to X-Plane or DCS, but I'm enjoying it (The new Germany region is brilliant) and unlike the other two, I do actually get fairly decent FPS.

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FSX 4eva  :wink:

 

Actually, I've been reinstalling lots of my ORBX stuff using the new FTX central and flying around in FSX SE. It looks a little dated compared to X-Plane or DCS, but I'm enjoying it (The new Germany region is brilliant) and unlike the other two, I do actually get fairly decent FPS.

 

 

I downloaded FG right now @work. Somethings are looking good.

 

What you are doing in MS world again ?

 

You def need a windows system better a desktop.

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For airliners and World cover IFR, FSX:SE or P3D are still the best.

 

If I were to buy the FSLabs masterpiece A32x, I would for sure re-install FSX:SE, just for running it - there simply is no viable alternative in other platforms....

 

But the problem comes when we start demanding on the flight dynamics, and overall physics modelling - that's what attracted me so much first in DCS and now in IL2 Battle of...

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From the videos of il2 and from the usage of DCS they are light years ahead of any flight siming platform where the FD is concerned and also ahead in the visuals .  XP stands second to these two.

 

lol and i have no real knowledge of how an aircraft should behave in the air

 

Wow the F14 in FG looks nice.so does the F15 nice nice.  The P-51 is a 400 MB download wow.

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From the videos of il2 and from the usage of DCS they are light years ahead of any flight siming platform where the FD is concerned and also ahead in the visuals .  XP stands second to these two.

 

lol and i have no real knowledge of how an aircraft should behave in the air

 

Wow the F14 in FG looks nice.so does the F15 nice nice.  The P-51 is a 400 MB download wow.

 

Is that the latest FG nightly ?  But when I tried the p51d the last time, after being already a "seasoned" DCS p51d user, I was disappointed :-/

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I downloaded FG right now @work. Somethings are looking good.
 
What you are doing in MS world again ?

 

I haven't tried FlightGear for about 2 years now. Compared to all other sims, it was quite far behind, but maybe that's improved recently?

 

In MS world, I'm just installing all my old addons (I spent a fortune in the past) and I'm just enjoying simming again (You still can't beat the PNW and Alaska). I like X-Plane and looking forward to 11, but it's nice to get away and use something else for a while. Aerofly is also getting some good use, but I found the aircraft rather limiting.

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Is that the latest FG nightly ?  But when I tried the p51d the last time, after being already a "seasoned" DCS p51d user, I was disappointed :-/

 

It's 2016.3.1 .  No idea  didn't download the 51 not a big fan of her.

I haven't tried FlightGear for about 2 years now. Compared to all other sims, it was quite far behind, but maybe that's improved recently?

 

It's still behind but I always like to keep checking it , it's not bad for a free opensource thing

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