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How to get autogen to show above photoscenery using Ortho4XP?

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I just created a tile using Ortho4XP and it looks great, but there are no autogen objects showing above it. So when flying during dusk/dawn/night, I don't see any night lighting at all.

 

Does anyone know how to get autogen objects such as building, roads, trees, lights, etc to show above scenery created with Ortho4XP?

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You need to generate data for that with World2Xplane or use one of the ready made packages available at simheaven. 

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Okay so I downloaded and installed w2xplane, buildings now show up, but still no roads, therefor no street lights at all, what am I doing wrong now?

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Did you generate the necessary data for the region of your orthoscenery with world2xplane? The program itself is just the tool to do this and it comes with the world-models library. You need to create your own data with it, using the different config files. It's easier to start with a ready made package. Let's say you have a tile for the UK then get GBPro package from Tony, or his NorwayPro for tiles in Norway. Or Europe mix package from simheaven.com for central Europe. These package are ready to use.

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Let me explained what I did... I used Ortho4XP to create a tile for the KSEA area, and then downloaded the latest w2xpl america from simheaven and installed that into my custom scenery folder. Loaded up XP11 and things look great, except I have no autogen roads or street lights.

 

I thought the pre-made w2xplane regions offered from simheaven included everything already, unless I'm mistaken?

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Not sure, two possible issue come to my mind: Either the world-models library is not properly loaded, check that you use the one from simheaven if a simheaven package is active. Or you may want to look here http://simheaven.com/?page_id=3260 and download the net package for America. According to the FAQ the net package shall go below the w2xpl scenery, both work together. Haven't tried this myself as I usually generate my data with World2Xplane and have it generate roads. 

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Yes I did the last step in Ortho4XP (Build Overlays) and have the custom overlay dir set to zzz_HD_v3, I also have downloaded the appropriate HD v3 mesh as well for the tile I'm creating in Ortho4XP.

 

I'll try hjsmuc advice, and download the w2xplane net package and see if that will make the roads show up.

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I finally got the roads to show above the ortho4xp scenery... you're right hjsmuc, I downloaded the w2xp_America_net and placed that underneath my w2xp_America scenery, and now roads show up along with the street lights... Is there a reason why the roads/street lights aren't included in the original w2xp_America package from simheaven? Not sure why the roads are seperate.

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Might be for file size reasons. Hosting all that stuff is not easy and the traffic from downloads adds up. It's a free site after all. 

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I finally got the roads to show above the ortho4xp scenery... you're right hjsmuc, I downloaded the w2xp_America_net and placed that underneath my w2xp_America scenery, and now roads show up along with the street lights... Is there a reason why the roads/street lights aren't included in the original w2xp_America package from simheaven? Not sure why the roads are seperate.

The roads are separate for people who only want the roads ;-)

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I'm confused, what is the difference between w2xp_net and w2xp_aerial? when I tried adding aerial into my custom scenery, I didn't notice anything difference, but when I added the net I finally saw roads and cars again.

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I'm confused, what is the difference between w2xp_net and w2xp_aerial?

 

http://simheaven.com/?page_id=3260

 

Frankly it still is confusing. Im attempting some ortho4xp myself for southern BC Canada, but all these extra packages complicate matters.

While XP has pretty darn good autogen out of the box, the cities have no character whatsoever. Should be able to look at it and recognize the city by its landmarks and real life representation.

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Captain420, 

I realize that it has been a few months since your post, but I joined today and saw it.  In case someone else searches and comes across this post I thought that I might provide some clarification.  One does not need to have w2xp in order for ortho4xp to work in XP and also have autogen to work too.  If you follow these simple steps when building your photo scenery in ortho4XP, everything will work just fine.  

When you open up Ortho4XP simply click on the Earth Tile Map bar at the top, which will open up the earth map for one to pick what tile(s) they want.  Once you have highlighted the tile(s) that you want on the map page, look on the left hand side and make sure that you select (put a check mark) on Build Masks and Build Overlays. Leave this window open and click on the other (the one that originally opened) in the task menu bar at the bottom, or simply minimize the (DO NOT CLOSE) Earth Tile Map window so you see the other window - the one you originally clicked on the Earth tile map bar at the top.  On this page under Provider and Zoomlevel, choose your base source (I use BI for Bing) and your Base Zoomlevel (I use 17 because of mostly VFR flying).  Once you do this then go to the section that says Build Overlays (don't worry about anything else in the other sections).  Click (check) the Custom overlay dir and browse to your X Plane Global Scenery Folder.  It should look something like this when you select it:  C:/Users/UserName/Desktop/X-Plane 11/Global Scenery/X-Plane 11 Global Scenery.  Make sure you are choosing the Global Scenery and not the Earth Nav as you went to far if it shows up as Earth Nav.  You also have the alternative of doing the same thing by browsing to you HD Mesh V3 if that is what you want to use to build your overlay.  This is a great option if you are using XP 10, but for XP 11 I suggest that you use it's Global Scenery that it comes with because it is more current info than the HD Mesh V3, but either one will work.  Once you have this done, open (maximize) the map page again - btw it is called Tiles Collection.  Look on the left hand side under where you previously selected Build masks and build overlays. Now you are ready to click the button that says Batch Build.  Once you click on it minimize the window again so you can see the other window (the initial window) and you should see it working for you.  Once all the processing is complete and it is finished you can close the program - this could be hours before it is done depending on what zoom level and how many tiles you picked.  Once finished browse to the folder that contains Ortho4XP.  Look at the folder names and you will find one called yOrtho4XP_Overlays.  Copy this and paste it into your X Plane Custom Scenery folder (this is the overlays that were generated).  Next back in the ortho4xp folder, go to the folder called Tiles and copy and paste them into your X Plane Custom Scenery folder.  Alternatively, instead of copying these from the tiles folder, you can make a short cut for each one of them and just paste the shortcut into your X Plane Custom Scenery folder.  Once you have done this, start up X Plane.  You only want it to run till the menu comes up - where you would set up for a flight.  Once it reaches that point, quit X Plane.  Then browse to your X Plane Custom Scenery folder and open up the file called scenery_packs.ini with a text editor.  Be aware when you save this file and you use a text editor to edit it, do't save it as a .txt file, use file save as then select All *.* as the type, that way the .ini extension is saved, Anyway at the top of your opened scenery_packs.ini file you should now see the yOrtho4XP_Overlays and the tile(s) that you created or the shortcut(s) to the file.  It is important that you highlight all of these and cut and paste them at the bottom.  Only thing that I can think of that would be below them is zzz_hd_global_scenery3/.  The yOrtho4XP_Overlays must be on top of the tiles you just created, but all at the bottom.  I hope this help you out.  This will allow for all the other things to show up for you.  Below is a copy of my scenery_packs.ini so you can see where the files should be.  

Kenny

I
1000 Version
SCENERY

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KMOR/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LFPG Paris - Charles de Gaulle/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EBBR Brussels/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDF Frankfurt/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDLP Paderborn-Lippstadt/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGBB Birmingham/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGKK London-Gatwick/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGLL Heathrow/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGPF Glasgow/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGSS London-Stansted/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LEMD Madrid/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFMN Nice Cote d Azur X/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFPO Paris Orly/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LPFR Faro/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LSGG Genf/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Global Airports/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Area/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LOWI Demo Area/
SCENERY_PACK_DISABLED Custom Scenery/OpenSceneryX/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/yOrtho4XP_Overlays/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+35-082/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+35-083/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+35-084/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+35-085/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+36-082/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+36-083/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+36-084/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+36-085/
SCENERY_PACK_DISABLED Custom Scenery/zzz_hd_global_scenery3/

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i think XP11 looks better without ortho, i deleted it and dont miss it. besides i'd rather have more autogen 3d objects then outdated blurry photo scenery

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On ‎12‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 1:39 AM, captain420 said:

I finally got the roads to show above the ortho4xp scenery... you're right hjsmuc, I downloaded the w2xp_America_net and placed that underneath my w2xp_America scenery, and now roads show up along with the street lights... Is there a reason why the roads/street lights aren't included in the original w2xp_America package from simheaven? Not sure why the roads are seperate.

I have had the same issue I have buildings, vegetation, and seemingly roads (they even line up well at the ortho4xp borders as I cross them) but no streets lights other than airports like MisterX KSAN. I have tried exactly what you have done but still no difference. What is odd is I have no lights anywhere in the world not just the ortho4xp tile regions. Even more strange when I delete the ortho overlay and ortho tile files everything goes back to normal X Plane 11 scenery but the lights don't come back no matter what I do including deleting and regenerating the ini file. I have to restore a previous copy of my X Plane 11 folder to get lighting back.

I have tried generating the overlays with my HD mesh folder as well as my X Plane Global Scenery it makes no difference regarding the night lighting issue. I have:

w2xp America

w2xp America net

w2xp world-models

all installed and my ini file order regarding placement of everything is good i'm sure of that it's just I can't get night lighting and worse when I delete the ortho4xp files from my custom scenery folder I never get night lighting back.

Any help would be appreciated.

Joe

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On ‎5‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 0:13 PM, KennyC865 said:

Captain420, 

I realize that it has been a few months since your post, but I joined today and saw it.  In case someone else searches and comes across this post I thought that I might provide some clarification.  One does not need to have w2xp in order for ortho4xp to work in XP and also have autogen to work too.  If you follow these simple steps when building your photo scenery in ortho4XP, everything will work just fine.  

When you open up Ortho4XP simply click on the Earth Tile Map bar at the top, which will open up the earth map for one to pick what tile(s) they want.  Once you have highlighted the tile(s) that you want on the map page, look on the left hand side and make sure that you select (put a check mark) on Build Masks and Build Overlays. Leave this window open and click on the other (the one that originally opened) in the task menu bar at the bottom, or simply minimize the (DO NOT CLOSE) Earth Tile Map window so you see the other window - the one you originally clicked on the Earth tile map bar at the top.  On this page under Provider and Zoomlevel, choose your base source (I use BI for Bing) and your Base Zoomlevel (I use 17 because of mostly VFR flying).  Once you do this then go to the section that says Build Overlays (don't worry about anything else in the other sections).  Click (check) the Custom overlay dir and browse to your X Plane Global Scenery Folder.  It should look something like this when you select it:  C:/Users/UserName/Desktop/X-Plane 11/Global Scenery/X-Plane 11 Global Scenery.  Make sure you are choosing the Global Scenery and not the Earth Nav as you went to far if it shows up as Earth Nav.  You also have the alternative of doing the same thing by browsing to you HD Mesh V3 if that is what you want to use to build your overlay.  This is a great option if you are using XP 10, but for XP 11 I suggest that you use it's Global Scenery that it comes with because it is more current info than the HD Mesh V3, but either one will work.  Once you have this done, open (maximize) the map page again - btw it is called Tiles Collection.  Look on the left hand side under where you previously selected Build masks and build overlays. Now you are ready to click the button that says Batch Build.  Once you click on it minimize the window again so you can see the other window (the initial window) and you should see it working for you.  Once all the processing is complete and it is finished you can close the program - this could be hours before it is done depending on what zoom level and how many tiles you picked.  Once finished browse to the folder that contains Ortho4XP.  Look at the folder names and you will find one called yOrtho4XP_Overlays.  Copy this and paste it into your X Plane Custom Scenery folder (this is the overlays that were generated).  Next back in the ortho4xp folder, go to the folder called Tiles and copy and paste them into your X Plane Custom Scenery folder.  Alternatively, instead of copying these from the tiles folder, you can make a short cut for each one of them and just paste the shortcut into your X Plane Custom Scenery folder.  Once you have done this, start up X Plane.  You only want it to run till the menu comes up - where you would set up for a flight.  Once it reaches that point, quit X Plane.  Then browse to your X Plane Custom Scenery folder and open up the file called scenery_packs.ini with a text editor.  Be aware when you save this file and you use a text editor to edit it, do't save it as a .txt file, use file save as then select All *.* as the type, that way the .ini extension is saved, Anyway at the top of your opened scenery_packs.ini file you should now see the yOrtho4XP_Overlays and the tile(s) that you created or the shortcut(s) to the file.  It is important that you highlight all of these and cut and paste them at the bottom.  Only thing that I can think of that would be below them is zzz_hd_global_scenery3/.  The yOrtho4XP_Overlays must be on top of the tiles you just created, but all at the bottom.  I hope this help you out.  This will allow for all the other things to show up for you.  Below is a copy of my scenery_packs.ini so you can see where the files should be.  

Kenny

I
1000 Version
SCENERY

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KMOR/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LFPG Paris - Charles de Gaulle/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EBBR Brussels/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDF Frankfurt/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDLP Paderborn-Lippstadt/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGBB Birmingham/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGKK London-Gatwick/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGLL Heathrow/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGPF Glasgow/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGSS London-Stansted/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LEMD Madrid/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFMN Nice Cote d Azur X/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFPO Paris Orly/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LPFR Faro/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LSGG Genf/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Global Airports/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Area/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LOWI Demo Area/
SCENERY_PACK_DISABLED Custom Scenery/OpenSceneryX/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/yOrtho4XP_Overlays/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+35-082/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+35-083/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+35-084/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+35-085/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+36-082/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+36-083/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+36-084/
SCENERY_PACK C:\Users\Kenny\Desktop\Ortho4XP\Tiles\zOrtho4XP_+36-085/
SCENERY_PACK_DISABLED Custom Scenery/zzz_hd_global_scenery3/

In the previous post I stated my issue with night lighting. Regarding your post I have tried this and still no night lighting. I am curious why you disabled ZZZ folder is it because you have it all covered with ortho files?  Please see the previous post and any help would be appreciated.

Joe

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From my original post, "...but for XP 11 I suggest that you use it's Global Scenery that it comes with because it is more current info than the HD Mesh V3..." 

That is why it is disabled.  

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13 minutes ago, KennyC865 said:

From my original post, "...but for XP 11 I suggest that you use it's Global Scenery that it comes with because it is more current info than the HD Mesh V3..." 

That is why it is disabled.  

Thanks

All is fine now with lighting and cars I had a conflict with other scenery add-ons placed above my ortho overlay in the ini file that caused my cars and lighting issues.

I also created my overlays with the global scenery not the HD Mesh v3 files but haven't disabled them so I wonder if I am getting strange effects in my scenery that I'm not aware off yet. I used the HD Mesh after reading the following:

UPDATE: some information about the differences between HD Mesh Scenery v3 (equally UHD Mesh Scenery v1) and the XP11 default Global Scenery released with Public Beta 1 (which might / will change with later scenery updates):

HD Mesh Scenery v3: older data (approximately 2 years old) – XP11 default: newer OSM data (August 2016)

XP11 default has updated landclass data for many regions (compared to HD Mesh Scenery v3)

HD Mesh Scenery v3: older autogen placement algorithms and no special European roads during scenery generation (XP11 default has a slight edge here – at least urbanized areas might look better)

HD Mesh Scenery v3 does NOT use OSM data about high buildings. The final default Scenery of XP11 already has these in, which makes most larger cities look better (than they look with HD Mesh Scenery v3).

HD Mesh Scenery v3 has much higher resolution Mesh (this has NOT been changed in XP11 default do to scenery size constraints!)

HD Mesh Scenery v3 has much more accurate landclass representation (even if its based on older data as described above) because of its higher res mesh (landclass is bound to mesh triangles)

HD Mesh Scenery v3 has older (because of older OSM data) but more accurate coastlines (rivers, lakes, ocean) as XP11 default needed to simplify vectors … again because of scenery size constraints.

However I didn't consider what might now be happening by generating the overlays using X Plane 11 Global Scenery and still running the HD Mesh V3 tiles in all those regions?

Joe

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