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Does anyone have any comments - good or bad - about this aircraft?

 

Many thanks.

 

Dijvid

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I bought it for FSX and I like it a lot. Feels pretty much like my personal jet airplane (Single pilot ops, small hull, highly automated).

 

To be aware of:

  • It's lite on systems; you won't have an FMC, for example, no SIDs, no STARs. It uses the default GPS only, but feelThere gave it a totally different "skin". Most systems are modelled strictly from the SDK.
  • It does have a lite version of a VNAV, though.
  • It does have a custom autopilot mode flight level change (true "pitch for speed" with variable, pilot-controlled-thrust)
  • feelThere also modelled basic FADEC functions (switches from TO to Climb, for example)
  • Easy to install into the Steam edition (yeah, you use FS9 currently).

 

It's been on sale multiple times, up to 40% off. (I've also seen it for 9.99 USD on very rare occasions at feelthere.com only)

When the Carenado EMB500 came out, I was surprised to see that my lite feelThere rendition was more functional in a couple of aspects (autopilot, takeoff config test). The Carenado VC, of course, is much more impressive. (Talking FSX again here.)

 

If you're interested, I'd say go for it when it's 40% off again. FSX version is included, should you consider a sim change, works in disk and in Steam version.

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Thanks for your reply, Oliver.  Looks like it might be good for a try when a discount offer comes up, so I'll keep a lookout.

 

Dijvid

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Hi Dijvid,

 

Feelthere's best plane is the ERJ as far as I'm concerned... It was an all time favorite - if you don't have it - that would be the one I'd spend money on...

 

Regards,

Scott

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Hi Dijvid,

 

Feelthere's best plane is the ERJ as far as I'm concerned... It was an all time favorite - if you don't have it - that would be the one I'd spend money on...

 

Regards,

Scott

 

Hi Scott

 

I do have their 135/145 and 175/195 packages.  I've only tried the 175/195 which played havoc with my fps - goodness knows why as I have a reasonably good Intel i5 setup.  I also found the FMC a bit trying - I seem to recall their documentation saying something like much more is implemented in the FMC than is mentioned in the manual so just ask if you have any questions.  Strange!!

 

I've never tried the 135/145 package although I have read somewhere that it is a better offering than the 175/195.  Maybe I should give it a go!

 

Dijvid

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Hi Dijvid,

 

LOL - I bought both the 135/145 and 175/195 at the same time - the 135/145 I flew the wings off of - - the 175/195 I flew six times max and deleted it... The flight model on the 135/145 feels alive and very much how you would expect a real world aircraft to feel... The 175/195 I didn't like at all - the panel was even harder to read than the ERJ - recall a serious issue with night lighting - and to me the FDE was almost default aircraft like - which surprised since one of the advertisements mentioned FDE by Rob Young (Real Air) - IIRC Rob mentioned in a post that it was modified after his work and took no responsibility for it...

 

If you already HAVE the 135/145 - it's DEFINATELY worth a try - I really liked the FADEC engine control... I enjoyed the aircraft immensely and flew it regularly until I moved to P3D...

 

Regards,

Scott

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The ERJ package has better performance (in FSX at least) and the cockpit visuals are more appealing. The FMC though is basically the same as in the E-jets, so of considerable depth. I concur with Scott, the ERJs are definitely top of the feelThere Embraer ranking.

 

Try the ERJs, you don't have to know and to work every tiny bit of the FMC. Do the flightplan and the PERF INIT (it can even load native MSFS flightplans), the built-in Call! utility will also check for takeoff and landing speeds inserted. Most of the other data I regard as optional ...   ;-)

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Thanks, guys, for your feedback.  I'll install the 135/145 and see how I get on.  Looking forward to it already!!

 

Dijvid

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I've thought about the ERJ's as well. What turned me against the idea a friend had them on his PC and they gained considerable speed while on the ground with no throttle applied. You virtually just release the brakes and they'll go on their own and then you need to use the brakes to keep them to a reasonable taxi speed.

Does this sound accurate and any comments?

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I've thought about the ERJ's as well. What turned me against the idea a friend had them on his PC and they gained considerable speed while on the ground with no throttle applied. You virtually just release the brakes and they'll go on their own and then you need to use the brakes to keep them to a reasonable taxi speed.

 

Does this sound accurate and any comments?

 

I didn't find this when I was flying the 195.  Can't comment on the 135/145 as I've yet to install it.

 

Dijvid

 

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I didn't find this when I was flying the 195.  Can't comment on the 135/145 as I've yet to install it.

Dijvid

 

I'd appreciate any feedback when you've tried them or from anyone else. Always liked the ERJ just a little hesitant to buy. The reason I ask is my friend's PC was a mess. I know his FS was doing things I've never seen or heard of. I don't hold what I saw that day as being a totally reliable indication of the product. haha

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Dijvid,

 

I have had the Phenom 100 (FS9) for a few years now.

 

My main comment would be that it has fairly limited systems but it is an absolute joy to hand fly. The limited  Garmin 1000 glass cockpit is simple, fairly functional and easy to learn. The VNAV works but you have to work out your descent point and rate of descent.

 

It does not have the same depth of systems as the 135 or the 175 ERJs but it is FUN.  I thoroughly recommend it as a simple aircraft and GEE WHIZ, I would love to own the real thing.

 

Regards

 

Tony Chilcott 

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I'd appreciate any feedback when you've tried them or from anyone else.

 

Sure will, but it won't be in the immediate future.  I've yet to install the 135 and will take my time reading through the manuals rather than just jumping straight in and seeing what happens!  I'm mainly a GA person and jets are a new experience for me which I may, or may not, take to.

 

Dijvid

Dijvid,

 

I have had the Phenom 100 (FS9) for a few years now.

 

My main comment would be that it has fairly limited systems but it is an absolute joy to hand fly. The limited  Garmin 1000 glass cockpit is simple, fairly functional and easy to learn. The VNAV works but you have to work out your descent point and rate of descent.

 

It does not have the same depth of systems as the 135 or the 175 ERJs but it is FUN.  I thoroughly recommend it as a simple aircraft and GEE WHIZ, I would love to own the real thing.

 

Regards

 

Tony Chilcott 

 

Thanks for the feedback, Tony.

 

As I already have the ERJ 135/145 I'm going to try them out first rather than buy the Phenom, although it does look tempting!

 

Dijvid

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Well, installed the ERJ135 and positioned it at UK2000's EGJJ Jersey airport.

 

Sadly, I found the FPS terrible in VC mode and a 15% - 20% drop in the 2D panel.  As a smooth sim is more important to me I decided not to proceed any further with this aircraft.

 

Many thanks, though, for all your replies and suggestions.

 

Dijvid

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Dijvid,

 

I dont know what your system is mate, but I have never found or experienced any real problems with the Feel There aircraft.  May I ask what aircraft you are currently flying? I ask this because I have just flown the default Lear and then switched to the Phenom and found no difference in frame rates whatsoever.  Your problem may lie elsewhere and may be worth further exploration.

 

Regards

 

Tony

 

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Dijvid,

 

I dont know what your system is mate, but I have never found or experienced any real problems with the Feel There aircraft.  May I ask what aircraft you are currently flying? I ask this because I have just flown the default Lear and then switched to the Phenom and found no difference in frame rates whatsoever.  Your problem may lie elsewhere and may be worth further exploration.

 

Regards

 

Tony

 

 

Hi Tony

 

My system is an Intel i5, 4Gb RAM, NVidia GTX560 Ti and WIn 7 32 bit.

 

The aircraft that I fly is the Dreamfleet A36 which has been my trusty steed for something like 2 years now.  I've made some substantial mods to it.  I also sometimes fly the Dreamfleet B58 Baron - again, much modded.  Both of these aircraft give me absolutely rock solid frame rates of 60 [which is what my TV monitor is synched at] even when I am at complex airports such as those done by UK2000.

 

In the past I've also tried the Flight1 ATR72 but that, too, screwed my frame rates.  The problem, I am sure, has something to do with the extra demands of the modern glass cockpit.  But, as I've said, a smooth sim is far more important to me that virtually anything else.  And as I've always been a GA fan not being able to fly the ERJs isn't going to stress me out!!

 

Dijvid

 

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Dijvid,

 

May I say that I know exactly what you are talking about.

 

I have an "elderly" system, which has been upgraded many many times to try to run FSX (and others) with my six monitors.  Every attempt has resulted only in CTDs, frame rates up to a giddy 15FPS, stutters, jerkiness and complete unacceptability.  I now stick to FS9.1 and everything runs smoothly at 29.9 when set to and limited to 30FPS. I am currently flying the Eaglesoft Citation II, the Feelthere ERJs, the 175/195, the Phenom 100 and my favourite the IFly 737. None of these have any real impact on frame rates with my relatively old computer (see computer specs in my signature).

 

Hopefully, sometime this year, I will upgrade but this is going to be a very expensive exercise ie motherboard,CPU, RAM and GPU's (2 x GTX1070 or the new AMD if it proves to be Flightsim friendly.  I then may be able to use P3D (64Bit?), Xplane11 (already bought) or the new DTG flight sim????  I have spent so much on my monitors and I have no real desire to go back to a single monitor or Trackir (VR...HMMMM).  However, most developers are moving away from dockable screens which is likely the death knell for multiple monitors.  In which case, I am happy to compromise and stick with what I have at the moment.

 

Just as a guess though, I would say that you are going to be stuck with what you are currently flying unless you opt for an upgrade even with FS9,  I would suggest however, that this is not a bad thing if you are happy with things as they are.  Trust me though, I do know how you feel and I sincerely wish you luck and best wishes in your future flight simming.

 

Regards

 

Tony

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The aircraft that I fly is the Dreamfleet A36 which has been my trusty steed for something like 2 years now. I've made some substantial mods to it. I also sometimes fly the Dreamfleet B58 Baron - again, much modded.

+1, absolutely love them! I've also been dancing round the Phenom for some time. Would love to see a few images and comments on FS9 performance.

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Hi Folks,

 

While they may not work well with limited hardware - the only biz jets I'd suggest for FS9 are the Eaglesoft ones...

 

Personally - I like the Citation CJ1+ Extreme 2.0 best...

 

AND they come with the Flight1 30 day money back guarantee - if they don't work out...

 

Regards,

Scott

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