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Pushback: "Turn tail LEFT/RIGHT"

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Incidentally, when I was pushing back at O'Hare, the option I was given was "Push on taxiway A, face south" or "Push on taxiway A, face north" or some variant thereof.

Ok look at chart (you do use charts?) and as long as the person using it knows there North from south, east from west they should be OK!

North is the top of chart, south bottom, east right side, west left side.

 

So lets say your on GATE K19 and your Departing Runway is 27R I would have a wild stab in the dark :Whistle:  at "push on taxiway A face north"

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Just how hard it is?

 

2 pagers on Tail left/right.  :lol:  :lol:

 

If people have problems with left and right how do you get on with an FMC!!!

 

*Note all this is in jest as the topic must be a wind up*

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No, it's not a wind-up. When you get used to the way things are in the 777 and 737, and to now change to having to deal with the way things are in the 747... it takes a few pushbacks to do it intuitively, because subconscious bias is to set the 747 pushback up other way around because of what we learnt in the 777 and the 737.

 

Don't get me wrong, the change is welcomed as the tail is usually the reference used by crew and atc (if not given other instructions). I usually monitor my pushbacks anyway. You can never trust those pesky truck drivers haha

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Ok look at chart (you do use charts?) and as long as the person using it knows there North from south, east from west they should be OK!

North is the top of chart, south bottom, east right side, west left side.

I only use charts when I'm at home. When I'm in the office, I don't, as I don't have my second computer with me with which to be able to pull charts up. I've been in the office since a week before the 747 was released. That said, given my job, I would HOPE I know which way north, south, east, and west are, or I'm going to be in a LOT of trouble.  :P

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There are large differences between N America and the rest of the Wold ICAO and this is one of them.

Exactly, that's why there are no absolutes. I worked for a major airline at KDFW. I'm now retired. When we would push back from terminal E, one of the ramp controllers would tell us to push tail west. The problem was it was actually tail south. To push tail west would have meant pushing the aircraft around the corner of the terminal, which wasn't necessary. Finally, a crew member called him on it and he  figured it out. Every airport is different and even the controllers are different. Some are sticklers for procedures and others are pretty lax. 

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If you have problems use GSX then its

 

Nose Right/Tail Left 

or

Nose Left/Tail Right

 

If you don't understand that, then best to give up and just use straight back but again that's the plane NOT the tug. :smile: :wink:

 

Hope this can helps clear it up!!!

 

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Just to be clear the "tail" is of a plane because there talking about the plane nothing else. Just like the term "Pushback" again its the plane not the tug.

 

Whoever labeled this graphic should be fired lol - am I the only one noticing this?

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Whoever labeled this graphic should be fired lol - am I the only one noticing this?

I saw it, I just didn't bother pointing it out.

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