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On 5/16/2018 at 6:31 AM, tooting said:

Ah Nigeria... I remember many a horrible night stop in the Lagos Sheraton with an armed escort to and from to the hotel. Not to mention the passengers spitting at you on board to get your attention 

One UK-based airline was flying into a secondary airport in Nigeria, and had to cancel the route because of the general dishonesty, thieving, violence and scamming going on at every single point in the trip, starting at Heathrow, and then again once inside Nigeria. It began at checkin with the violence, or threats of violence of the Nigerian passengers being asked to pay excess baggage charges for all the crap they'd bought in the UK that they wanted to sell in Nigeria (huge industry: these people are nothing if not 'commercial'!), continued on with the stealing of the VOR beacons and generators close the airport (so the pilots were reluctant to fly for safety reasons), and ended with the cabin crew  extremely reluctant to crew the aircraft given the behaviour of the passenger (spitting at them was just one part of it @tooting!) and needing a set of gun-toting security guards to take them from the airport to the crew hotel. The company decided the behaviour of the Nigerians just wasn't worth the risks, even though the fares were astronomical, and on paper, the route was predicted to make millions.

Luckily, no-one using FSX has to deal with these problems - the VORs can't be stolen or destroyed, the crew can make their own way to the hotel, and you can avoid weight and balance issues by just setting a few numbers in FSX!

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On 3/30/2017 at 1:12 PM, Chock said:

it seems difficult to understand why scammers still say they are based there if it has such a reputation for scams, but there is actually a reason for that:

Great explanation Chock...makes perfect sense when you explain it, but beforehand seems illogical!

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I remember my first time i went to Lagos, it was in 2006 i think.  I sat on the flight deck for the landing (on the 747).  on finals at around 0500 am local at about 10nm out we still couldnt see the runway, skipper called up tower to confirm the DME on the ils and the tower controller replied "ah sorry boss ill turn the lights on"  10 seconds later the runway lights turned on.  to which the skipper turned around to me and said "good here innit mate"   

ohh halcyon days, I do miss it sometimes

 

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17 hours ago, p2409a said:

One UK-based airline was flying into a secondary airport in Nigeria, and had to cancel the route because of the general dishonesty, thieving, violence and scamming going on at every single point in the trip, starting at Heathrow, and then again once inside Nigeria. It began at checkin with the violence, or threats of violence of the Nigerian passengers being asked to pay excess baggage charges for all the crap they'd bought in the UK that they wanted to sell in Nigeria (huge industry: these people are nothing if not 'commercial'!), continued on with the stealing of the VOR beacons and generators close the airport (so the pilots were reluctant to fly for safety reasons), and ended with the cabin crew  extremely reluctant to crew the aircraft given the behaviour of the passenger (spitting at them was just one part of it @tooting!) and needing a set of gun-toting security guards to take them from the airport to the crew hotel. The company decided the behaviour of the Nigerians just wasn't worth the risks, even though the fares were astronomical, and on paper, the route was predicted to make millions.

Luckily, no-one using FSX has to deal with these problems - the VORs can't be stolen or destroyed, the crew can make their own way to the hotel, and you can avoid weight and balance issues by just setting a few numbers in FSX!

This is the exact behaviour airlines flying into and out of Nigeria can expect from Nigerian passengers. One does not have to travel too far to see this kind of behaviour. Go to any sale being held in a department store here in the UK/USA and the same rush-the-doors-scam-the-sales-floor obnoxious behaviour can be seen there. Taking back UK/US made good to sell at a racket is nothing new. Only a few days ago a nurse in the NHS reported how drugs to treat HIV-related were taken back to African countries to re-sell at huge profits.

No wonder they are such a pariah State. 5th largest producer of oil, but where has tall the wealth disappeared to? I had a niece from Australia working for Shell there on a secondment. She related all the abject poverty she witnessed.

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Yes @vc10man, you can see the behaviour all over the world. It's very sad - a country with so much potential, and the ability to give all its citizens a great standard of living, but not to be given the corruption. As individuals, the Nigerians I have met over the years have all been lovely, interesting people...but they all extremely commercial and eager to get ahead financially, regardless of the way they do it!

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