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On 12/3/2017 at 1:02 PM, FS++ said:

It's already implemented in MCE package for X-Plane.

However to get PF3 to work with X-Plane 11 or 10, you need a plugin named PFEtoXPlane

See this thread

 

i hve been using that and i havent been able to "talk" to atc. They dont respond. After going  a couple of emails with support i was told that i cant talk to pf3 only native atc and that i had to have copilot do the atc contact. When i key the mike and speak it shows what i said in the upper corner of the screen but atc never responded. works with copilot, but i rather do it myself.

emails with MCE support 

Emails read;

Hi Adam. Suggest you read this thread.

-----Original Message----- From: Adam [mailto:adam@towaysinar.com] Sent: 24 November 2017 23:55 To: Multi Crew Support Subject: MCE TO PF3 ISSUE i have installed and atc does not respond. i can talk to copilit with no problems, have trained speech recog, all works except atc response. have checked and quadruple checked settings, reinstalled, when i key in to atc what i say shows up exactly as i said it still no responses, such as i tune to clearance and say "clearance (callsign) is ready ifr to K I A D" and get no response back. Adam

Then next email i sent:

everything else from pf3 shows up in mce window. flight plan altitude etc just always says vhf not established


Adam


 then last response was:

Ah, I see. Please ignore that notification. It was initially devised for the native ATC. It's not updated with PF3 You aren't expected to monitor it. What matters is the ability for Fo to see those PF3 captions, so he can see which altitude, squak, heading or speed is assigned and react accordingly. Ben The FS++ team

so thats when i was wondering when i could talk directly to atc on my own.

 

Adam

 

 

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5 hours ago, madmaxland said:

so thats when i was wondering when i could talk directly to atc on my own.

 

Adam

 

 

Make sure you're on MCE for X-Plane latest here

You need either enable "Closed Captions" in PF3 settings, or use the log file interface by opening "PF3_MCE.ini" (found in PF3 installation folder) and setting "Active=1"

 

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2 hours ago, FS++ said:

Make sure you're on MCE for X-Plane latest here

You need either enable "Closed Captions" in PF3 settings, or use the log file interface by opening "PF3_MCE.ini" (found in PF3 installation folder) and setting "Active=1"

 

tried that... not working..... speak "clearance jetblue 1 9 0 ready for atc"  .... it shows up on the screen in closed caption,...... no response from radio....... it is set to clearance delivery frequency......

pf3 set to no voice.......PTT pause interval 20.......use closed caption mode on..... only item unchecked at the moment is ..use PM MCP but it dosent make a difference if i check or uncheck this.

PFE to MCP.ini is as follows

[MCE]
Active=1
Logged=0
PF3Transmitting=0

tried changing transmitting variable to 1 but keeps resetting to 0

pf3.ini as follows

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DebugMode=0
COPMode=0
Vol=-600
AlternatePrompt=0
NoWarnings=1
UseCOM2=0
FAFAlt=7000
FAFDist=20
VoiceXMsg=0
VoiceXMsg2=0
VoiceXMsg3=0
AutoUpdates=0
AirwayDeviation=4
FSTimeout=60
Default_Accent=-1
Default_Voice=-1
PVList=0
Default_Airline=640
DAList=595
Default_Callsign=190
JetDistance=6
PropDistance=3
PauseDistance=0
FAFPause=1
SID=1
SIDCalls=0
FSData=8
UseTA4VFR=1
STAR=1
STARCalls=0
SlowATIS=1
AtisVol=-852
UsePFEAtis=1
MaxAtisLoops=3
PushStart=2
MustTune2ATIS=0
BackVol=-2700
TGS_Default_Accent=5
TGS_Default_Voice=2
TGSvs=48
BackgroundNoiseVariation=1
HeavyCallsign=1
RestartSave=1
RestartInterval=1
VCPVol=-1200
XPack2=1
NoSpeedRestrictionCallsAllowed=50
GCTimeout=20
DisplayVoiceSetID=0
ManualAltAdj=0
UseQNH=1
PMAP=0
AcarsX=0
AcarsDelay=30
AcarsLeft=0
AcarsTop=0
SayAgainOp=0
Ver=3.7.1
LeftPos=38865
TopPos=5040
CV=371
AltNag=500
AutoMuteVCP=0
TODPause=0
SetNav1=1
HoldPercent=100

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Hotkey1=0048
Hotkey2=0049
Hotkey3=0050
Hotkey4=0051
Hotkey5=0052
Hotkey6=0053
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Hotkey8=0055
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Hotkey10=0057
Hotkey11=3092
Hotkey12=3069
Hotkey13=3187
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Hotkey15=3086
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Hotkey18=3078
HotKey19=3068
HotKey20=0072
HotKey21=0076
HotKey22=0046

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Hotkey2=1
Hotkey3=1
Hotkey4=1
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Hotkey9=1
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Hotkey11=1
Hotkey12=1
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Hotkey14=1
Hotkey15=1
Hotkey16=1
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HotKey20=1
HotKey21=1
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Skin=Skinastic.skf
SkipFrameWorkCheck=0
ShortLen=5000
MediumLen=8000
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UseCM=1
PauseCM=10
TGSOn=1
Visual=1
Audio=1
HdgBug=1
ReduceVol=25
PromptAt=150
GateType=9
ATCTaxiSpd=0
ReadbackTaxiSpd=0
FinalPromptAt=40
[Tweaks]
AtcSayAgainNoFontResize=0
GateOnlyParking=1
AtcSayAgainLargeFont=1
VRReminder=0
ShowATCLog=0
TruncateChatterCallsigns=0
ClrError=3
AltTimer=120
HdgTimer=60
BadReception=25
FinalApproachSpeed=OFF
DisplayInitialComs=1
HotkeyBeep=0
UseATCChatter=1
NoExitPrompt=0
AutoOpenFPAdjust=0
UsePre3150Approach=0
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TA01=13000
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TA06=18000
TA07=3000
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TA09=18000
TA10=5000
TA11=8000
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TA17=18000
TA18=4000
TA19=4000
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TA21=6000
TA22=18000
TA23=18000
TA24=18000
TA25=18000
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Range=10
Altitude=2000
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Captions=1
DisplaySeconds=10
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CallMillibars1=0
CallMillibars2=0
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CallMillibars23=0
CallMillibars24=0
CallMillibars25=0
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Adam

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On ‎3‎-‎12‎-‎2017 at 0:25 AM, FS++ said:

No, it doesn't happen automatically.

Go to PF3 installation folder and open "PF3_MCE.ini".

Set "Active=1" and save.

Fo should then get the captions via a file named "Clearance.log".

Make sure "PF3.exe" is set to run as admin, to guarantee it can write to that file no matter where it's installed to..

Don't forget, there is an option in MCE UI, ATC tab "FO can take over ATC when busy".

Disable it if you don't want FO to automatically reply after a set time period has elapsed, and you still haven't replied yourself.

Don't worry too much about FO phrasing when he replies. 

Although it's very lucky the MCE FO recorded voice packs can handle the text output by PF3 without asking every voice actor to redo the stuff,, there is the odd word here and there that Fo can't utter.

You can always use a quality TTS voice if you wanted.

 

 

'"FO can take over atc when busy" did it.

Thnx Gerald.

For the other problem i had was that somehow after updating pf3 to the latest version, all my hotkeys were resetted back to the old ones. So MCE couldn't send the right key (control+shift+?)

Best regards

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Hello,

I've just installed the latest MCE, using it with PF3, and P3DV4.3.

I'm trying use the FO handling all ATC (switch freq., respond to ATC, etc.). Of course, I know to handle the radio and ATC responses while on the ground, but once in the air, I say 'YOU HAVE ATC'. The FO responds that he does, but from that point on, he never responds to ATC, never automatically changes the frequencies, etc.

Not sure what to look at to help me find out what I'm either doing wrong or what setting I need to adjust...

When I do take over, by pressing the PTT button on my joystick, ATC does respond correctly to my requests...but is very slow to respond. Pressing one of the PF3 keys to respond gets a much faster response.

I've tried wading through these 17 pages to find some help, but it is difficult to find things, and then try out in PF3/MCE. It would great if a summary of information or FAQ could be added.

I did find information such as:

PfePerCharSpeedDuration=40
MceFOPerCharSpeedDuration=40

which I did just add to the mce.ini, but have not tried yet. Not sure if this will solve the completely non-working FO command to 'have ATC', but I'll try. If there are other things I can look at, I would surely appreciate the help.

Thank you.

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38 minutes ago, flyblueskies said:

Hello,

I've just installed the latest MCE, using it with PF3, and P3DV4.3.

I'm trying use the FO handling all ATC (switch freq., respond to ATC, etc.). Of course, I know to handle the radio and ATC responses while on the ground, but once in the air, I say 'YOU HAVE ATC'. The FO responds that he does, but from that point on, he never responds to ATC, never automatically changes the frequencies, etc.

Not sure what to look at to help me find out what I'm either doing wrong or what setting I need to adjust...

When I do take over, by pressing the PTT button on my joystick, ATC does respond correctly to my requests...but is very slow to respond. Pressing one of the PF3 keys to respond gets a much faster response.

I've tried wading through these 17 pages to find some help, but it is difficult to find things, and then try out in PF3/MCE. It would great if a summary of information or FAQ could be added.

I did find information such as:

PfePerCharSpeedDuration=40
MceFOPerCharSpeedDuration=40

which I did just add to the mce.ini, but have not tried yet. Not sure if this will solve the completely non-working FO command to 'have ATC', but I'll try. If there are other things I can look at, I would surely appreciate the help.

Thank you.

The FO not handling ATC when told he has the comms is down to ability to read the captions PF3 sends to Prepar3D

MCE used to read those inside the sim and you had to have them enabled in PF3 settings.

Since a couple of years ago, there is an option in "PF3_MCE.ini" (found inside PF3 installation folder).

Change "Active=0" to "Active=1"

With that option enabled, MCE would read the captions from a log file called "Clearance/.log" in \PF3\Logs\ folder.

If your callsign is say KLM 265, the FO would only consider captions that start with "KLM 265" or "roger KLM 265" as intended for you, and will ignore all the other messages directed at other others.

Don't use the other PF3 option, "Use voice set ID" that prefixes captions with "w_s" or other markers like that.

What call-sign are you using?

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Thank you,

I'll try setting Active=1 .

In this case, I am using N8001N.

As far as "Use Voice set ID", do you mean uncheck Display Voice Set ID (as shown below)?

LmDyAnX.jpg

 

Edited by flyblueskies

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Posted (edited)

In "PF3_MCE.ini" (found inside PF3 installation folder), I did change "Active=0" to "Active=1"

I also unchecked "USE CLOSED CAPTIONS". I also changed my call sign to N8001 to make it a bit easier..

Here's some of what I see in the log file in reference to me:

American November 8001 Turn right heading 235  
American November 8001 Contact BARCELONA CONTROL on 132.05   
American November 8001 Climb to Flight Level 110  
American November 8001 resume own navigation  
American November 8001 Climb to Flight Level 210  
American November 8001 Contact BARCELONA CONTROL on 132.05   

But, I'm still not getting the FO to automatically respond when I say "You have ATC".

 

Edited by flyblueskies

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OK,

Rereading what you wrote, I'm going to change my callsign to KLM 265 (to make it easier) and see if that helps.

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3 minutes ago, flyblueskies said:

OK,

Rereading what you wrote, I'm going to change my callsign to KLM 265 (to make it easier) and see if that helps.

You can use American Airlines. However as in real world, an airliner typically uses a flight number, not a registration tail number.

 

And although it may sometimes end with a single letter like 8001A, it never starts with one.

American 8001 would be a good candidate

And you can transmit using either

American eight zero zero one

American eight double zero one

American eight double oh one

American eight thousand one

 

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OK,

KLM 265 definitely works!

I'll give American 8001 a go next.

Thanks for all your help!

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Posted (edited)

 How would I open a flight plan through flight service if there is no clearance deliver? For instance I'm at Gibraltar and I want to open up a flight-plan how would I do that?

Normally, without MCE, I would tune to FSS and press the appropriate number. But, I'm not sure what to actually speak when using MCE.

Edited by flyblueskies

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1 hour ago, flyblueskies said:

 How would I open a flight plan through flight service if there is no clearance deliver? For instance I'm at Gibraltar and I want to open up a flight-plan how would I do that?

You open an FP in the same way as with Clearance Delivery Control. Either on the ground or on the tower (if there is no ground control). If there is no ground or tower control, you contact the FSS a first time.....wait for the FSS to answer "Go Ahead" then ask for example "Clearance Delivery>>>Call Sign>>> Ready to Copy".

For your information, in the manual you have:

"Should you find yourself departing from an uncontrolled airport, without
Clearance, Tower or Ground control facilities you could be excused for asking
'how on earth do obtain IFR clearance in such a situation'?

New in PF3 version 3.2.0 we have introduced support for obtaining IFR
clearance from FSS. Here's how it works...
First you need to tune to FSS and hit hotkey #0, this is your 'wake up' call to
FSS... there could be a delay of up to 30 seconds so be patient, they're not
ATC controllers. Once they put their coffee down they will ask you to 'go
ahead' at which point, if you're using VCP mode 1, otherwise it will be
automatic, you can either hit the 'Roger' hotkey or hotkey #0 again."

Hope this help.

Regards,

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Thank  you DrumsArt. It looks like I still need to press the '0' key in order to get FSS attention. Maybe I did not wait long enough, but I would like to contact FSS via MCE by saying the proper words. I'm still not sure what words to use...

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Just a follow-up...

Using American 381 (without letters before 381) worked very well. The FO took care of ATC just as he should. I really appreciate the help FS++!

 

So the key things for me were:

1. Change Active=0 to Active=1 in "PF3_MCE.ini" (found inside PF3 installation folder). 

2. Do not use letters before the number in my call sign. For example, use AMERICAN 381 (not American N381).

3. Uncheck Use Closed Caption Mode and Display Voice Set ID.

 

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2 hours ago, flyblueskies said:

Thank  you DrumsArt. It looks like I still need to press the '0' key in order to get FSS attention. Maybe I did not wait long enough, but I would like to contact FSS via MCE by saying the proper words. I'm still not sure what words to use...

Did you try what I quote in my previous post?

......" ask for example "Clearance Delivery>>>Call Sign>>> Ready to Copy"."

It works for me, for FSS or anything...

Regards,

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30 minutes ago, DrumsArt said:

Did you try what I quote in my previous post?

......" ask for example "Clearance Delivery>>>Call Sign>>> Ready to Copy"."

It works for me, for FSS or anything...

Regards,

Thank you DrumsArt...not sure I said those exact words (inputting call sign of course), but I will give that a try.

Thank you for following up with me.

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You're welcome, normally American Airlines 381 should work. On an other side I'm surprised there's no tower in Gibraltar!?

Regards,

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You're right again DrumsArt. Gibraltar does have Tower.

On a positive note, I used you words "Clearance Deliver>>>Call Sign>>>Ready to Copy" to contact FSS at Gibraltar. It did get there attention. While I did have to repeat "Clearance Deliver>>>Call Sign>>>Ready to Copy", FSS did give me clearance and altitude.

Thank you very much DrumsArt. I very much appreciate  your help!

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I wanted to follow up with contacting FSS. While Gibraltar does have TOWER and can also be contacted to open flight plan, contacting Flight Service also works.

Using  "Radio, <callsign> requesting you open/close my flightplan" works very well also.

This request is a more correct way to contact Flight Service and does work with MCE/PF3.

I found these very helpful links here:

 

and here:

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/1473/how-do-i-contact-flight-service-while-in-flight

I wanted to pass this information along in case someone else had this same question.

 

 

 

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I always have massive problems contacting FSS or Radio. Will try the way you do it.

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Concerning callsigns: I had problems with "Fedex 3". Jean-Claude didn't respond to ATC calls (except clearance, here he reads back even if I have told him I have ATC). ini and log files are ok, and the MCE GUI shows the right callsign in "ATC". Is "Fedex 3" too short?

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hi all, my FO talks to PF3 atc, but it seems Nothing is transmitted. I think that my Settings are correct as what i´ve seen in this thread. I have activated the MCE Option in the PF3-configfile, FO-Option in PF3 is set to 0, and FO-voice is deactivated, name of voicepack and close capture is deactivated, in MCE talk to atc, FO can tune Radios, is  activated.

If i say to FO "you have the Radios" he confirms, but he don´t tune com1 to Ground. I have to tell him to do, then he tunes to the freq. i said. Then i ask him to request clearance, he confirms and speaks to atc like Lufthansa 2214 request ifr clearance to EDDS and after that just silence, no clearance as Long as i push the Hotkey 0. Then Ground gives immediatly instructions and FO reads back automaticly. But again he´s not tune com1 to the given frequency. I have to tell him so and he tunes the Radio. And then same is going on. I ask to request taxi and he talks to atc but again i have to push 0 to get atc clearance, but automaticly FO confirms the instructions, and so on....

May i have something wrong set? Any help much welcome.

reg.

Bernd 

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