Bushido5

Tongass Fjord Crash P3D4

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Hello,

I'm new to P3D, I try to install the Tongass Fjord scenery folllowing the tutoriel posted on Avsim and each time I have a CTD.

Anyone manage to install and run Togass properly on P3D ?

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I briefly tried by just making symlinks and exchanging scenery and terrain cfg's. It looked ok but for now I leave v4 alone, waiting for updated addons. 

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Trying to take off at PAWG and I immediately CTD.

It is my first P3D software so I copy paste the file from my FSX folder.

Could it be beacause of the unicode stuff in the terrain cfg ?

 

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Unless you know what you're doing, you should not attempt to add addons that are not v4 compatible.

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I don't know what I'm doing, that's why I follow a tutoriel...

And I would love to wait for a P3DV4 compatible version of Tongass but that not gonna happens soon, unfortunatly, so yes I try to follow the Avsim tutoriel.

Would be interested to know if the issue is on my side or if it is a more complex compatibility issue

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1 hour ago, WarpD said:

 

Unless you know what you're doing, you should not attempt to add addons that are not v4 compatible.

 

Your are right as always from a technical point of view. However, fact is chances are slim that anyone will rewrite Tongass Fjords in these days. We didn't even get an update for PAKT from ORBX for Prepar3D because the developer left the ORBX team and apparently nobody cared to fix license issues with this great scenery and rebuild it. So that leaves us with two options, give up or fix things with band aid. I think it applies to many elements of this hobby, you can't demand continuous development but you also don't want to give up your loved bits. 

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I think I nail it, it was an issue with the AI traffic

Using the Tongass Configurator I try the various AI traffic and the culprit is the DHC 3 Otter and DH6 Twin Otter.
If the box is checked P3D crashed if uncheck no issue.
Other AI traffic seems to work fine (I didn't try the Dash 7 and Bell 206 as they are FS9 portover)

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On 5/31/2017 at 6:10 PM, hjsmuc said:

Your are right as always from a technical point of view. However, fact is chances are slim that anyone will rewrite Tongass Fjords in these days. We didn't even get an update for PAKT from ORBX for Prepar3D because the developer left the ORBX team and apparently nobody cared to fix license issues with this great scenery and rebuild it. So that leaves us with two options, give up or fix things with band aid. I think it applies to many elements of this hobby, you can't demand continuous development but you also don't want to give up your loved bits. 

?   PAKT is updated for p3dv3.   Russ also did a bunch of other airports and they are patched too.  not sure I understand.

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PAKT was updated but since v3 it has no PAPI lights. Upon inquiring I was told that this couldn't be fixed because Russ had left and he explained that he can't fix it because ORBX holds the rights to the scenery. Just the information I got. 

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On 5/31/2017 at 3:17 PM, WarpD said:

Unless you know what you're doing, you should not attempt to add addons that are not v4 compatible.

It sounds like he doesn't know; hence, he is asking for help.

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Tongass Fjord was developed by Holger Sandmann, who is still very much an active part of the ORBX team. It was first developed for FS9, well before the ORBX days and it was/is exclusively sold by a company called "FSAddon Publishing". This company still holds the right to Tongass Fjord (also the FSX version) today. Holger Sandmann had once approached the owner of FSAddon, whether he can buy or get otherwise the licence for his product, so that he can develop it further (P3D). Unfortunately as far as I know FSAddon never replied to Holger's request. At least that's what Holger wrote in the ORBX forum, when I asked him about Tongass for P3D a while ago. It's a pity. Thanks to Elaine and her great tutorial here on avsim, it works in P3D 3.4, maybe she can try to find a way to make it also work in v4

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Now that FTX Central 3.2 is out, I removed my symlinks and let it install the ORBX regions. After that I manually added the 40 Tongass entries into the terrain.cfg and added the two Tongass scenery folders from within v4, below the ORBX regions as also advised for v3. It's working normally, no control center obviously but no terrain anomalies and the scenery is complete. 

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As Bushido said, it's only a matter of old incompatible FS9 mdl files for the AI Aircraft. These are the DHC 3 Otter and DH6 Twin Otter and also the turbo variant and the Dash7. I tried to convert the mdl to FSX standard with ModelConverterX. The crash can be avoided this way, but the models lose animations, like spinning propellers. Looks a bit stupid. So we rather change the traffic files to new models. So first we need an FSX AI model of these aircraft and then the paintjobs. Then we can easiliy replace the AI models with new ones, using same names will use them right away with the existing traffic files. 

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11 minutes ago, CharlieDont5urf said:

Did you read and try that one? 

 

Sure, but this procedure does not handle the crashes that occur afterwards. You should read the whole thread. 

 

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I forgot to mention, all fs9 models can easily be identified with a good editor like notepad++. If you open the .mdl you see in the first line this MDL8MDLH, then it's FS9. The FSX looks like MDLXMDLH. I searched for DH-2 amphibian ai, but they all seem to be FS9.

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"New version  (v1.1) now adds the Bell 206L to complete your working TFX AI set of flying AI in P3Dv4."

Very generous!

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