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Well...at the risk of being "that guy" I do have state that Flight Sim World features updated airports. P3D is still superior by miles at this point, but I agree that still being stuck with the 2006 FSX airport database is disappointing.

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8 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

To redo all the 26,000 airports in the database would take years and years. Don't think you will ever see that happen, 

Do you really think they manually created 26,000 airports?
They have developed an automated tool that interpreters the Jeppesen data and creates default airports on the fly. 


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11 hours ago, RoboRay said:

It's the same default 2006 airport and navdata from FSX.

Indeed. The two nearest to me in the real world are Manchester (EGCC) and Woodford (EGCD). EGCC still shows runways 24L/R and 6L/R but those were changed a few years back to 25 & 5. EGCD doesn't even exist anymore as the site closed in 2011, the runway was dug up and it is now a housing estate.

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3 hours ago, Egbert Drenth said:

Do you really think they manually created 26,000 airports?
They have developed an automated tool that interpreters the Jeppesen data and creates default airports on the fly. 

I think you should contact them then and tell them how easy it is to do. 

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3 hours ago, glenecho3 said:

Well...at the risk of being "that guy" I do have state that Flight Sim World features updated airports. P3D is still superior by miles at this point, but I agree that still being stuck with the 2006 FSX airport database is disappointing.

Not entirely true of FSW. There are some updated navaids and airports in FSW, but is does nevertheless still have some of the old stuff in there, for example, you can still cheerfully take off and land at an airport which used to be about two or three miles from my home - EGCD Woodford Aerodrome. If you've ever watched the movie 633 Squadron and winced at the bits where they taxied perfectly airworthy deHavilland Mosquitos at high speed across the grass at high speeds and then deliberately retracted the landing gear to simulate belly landings for the benefit of that movie, that was the airfield where they did that and it was also where the Nimrod was built and tested, so it was a fairly major military airfield. But it is not an airfield any longer; it closed down in 2011 when BAe sold it off (for the bargain price of 100 Million Quid lol) and it is now a housing estate called Woodford Garden Village, so you've not been able to land or take off from there for around seven years in real life.

Fortunately, this is where payware and freeware add-on airports and scenery come to the rescue of course, since updating and tweaking thousands of airports would be quite a task for either LM or DTG, although with P3D being a 'pro' product intended to simulate tactical planning, they perhaps out to be a little more concerned with real-world fidelity than DTG need to be, so I wouldn't mind betting it is on their 'to do' list.

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1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I think you should contact them then and tell them how easy it is to do. 

No need. As I said they already know.

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I'm disappointed, but not surprised, that the default airports have not been updated. Since P3D is not marketed or sold as an "entertainment" sim platform, perhaps LM cannot justify the cost of updating worldwide airport scenery to 2017 data. Those using P3D for r/w tactical or procedural training probably install custom scenery to fit their own unique training scenarios.

Even the full sized Level D sims used by airlines to train flight crews often have only one or two airports simulated in high detail - not every airport in the airlines' route structure.

I believe that the airport scenery data inherited from the Microsoft ESP code base was originally created in partnership with Jeppesen - LM may not have a current business relationship with  Jeppesen that would easily allow something similar to be done for P3D.

Since there is already a huge market of third party developers offering detailed and accurate scenery updates for r/w airports, LM would probably prefer to let those developers continue to serve those P3D users who need and want accurate airport scenery. 

Now FSW, which IS marketed for "entertainment", has updated many (but not all) airports to conform to their present-day configuration. As I mentioned in a different thread, I found that my home airport KELM has been updated in FSW to include several new hangars and a runway extension, all of which have been built in the past 6 years. Apparently DTG outsourced the airport data upgrades to an outside company. The name escapes me, but if you own FSW, and go to the "credits" page in the setup menu, you will see that company mentioned.


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17 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

As I mentioned in a different thread, I found that my home airport KELM has been updated in FSW to include several new hangars and a runway extension, all of which have been built in the past 6 years. 

Interesting you mention Elmira, that's a spot we fly to from my home base in New Jersey (when the weather is good) as we come up to Finger Lakes each year to stay in Watkins Glen. First year we flew was the day after Elmira had a tornado!

Beautiful area.

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There is talk on the LM P3D forum that they are working on this.  But, after all these years, we could have expected a few of the more obvious fixes.

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As a training tool (which is what Prepar3D actually is, remember), having every airport in the world current and up-to-date is unnecessary (though it would certainly be nice).  The developers of the training curriculum will update the relative handful of specific airports that are relevant to the needs of their students (or of themselves, in many cases), by purchasing, commissioning, or creating for themselves detailed and accurate locations as required.

LM will probably devote a lot of resources to the task of updating the entire world when one of their major customers contracts them to do so.

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Does anyone know if ADE will work with P3D v4. It's what I use to update my airports in FSX when one is not available by the community.


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5 hours ago, turner112 said:

Interesting you mention Elmira, that's a spot we fly to from my home base in New Jersey (when the weather is good) as we come up to Finger Lakes each year to stay in Watkins Glen. First year we flew was the day after Elmira had a tornado!

Beautiful area.

I remember the tornado well! Not common to have them in this area. The main storm cell went south of the airport, and caused no real damage there, but then went right through the center of the city. It was only an F1, so most buildings came through relatively intact, but it downed a lot of trees and tore up the power grid pretty badly.


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7 minutes ago, DJJose said:

Does anyone know if ADE will work with P3D v4. It's what I use to update my airports in FSX when one is not available by the community.

I just tried it. It does not recognize the presence of P3D Version 4, so does not automatically load anything, but I was able to manually load some APX BGL's from the scenery folder, and they seem to import OK

Just out of curiosity I tried loading some airport BGL's from FSW, and though the scenery folder structure and file naming convention is the same as FSX/P3D, ADE reported that the files were not valid.

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Wait, 26000 airports? Yes there are around 26000 in P3D, but only a some of them need to be fixed. Most of them are still ok.


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9 hours ago, nealmac said:

Wait, 26000 airports? Yes there are around 26000 in P3D, but only a some of them need to be fixed. Most of them are still ok.

Except it takes manpower to sit down and go through all 26000 to see if they ARE correct or not. 

I don't know what would you rather have: a sim with all the things LM has put in their current sim or an extra hangar or a runway that says 19 instead of 20? 

Don't know about you but I prefer the former over the latter. 

And i'm sure their project manager weighed the same decision.  Especially when you know 3rd party devs will cover a ton of airports. like the Orbx free NA and EU airports or region airports. etc


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