AIRHOG

Moscow City X Dawn, Dusk and Night Trouble

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 I installed Moscow City X a few days ago (automatically placed at the top of the Scenery List in FSX) and I have just noticed something interesting. During the day, all of the UUWW airport textures look great, but at Night, Dawn, and Dusk someone snuck in and poured concrete all over the place. LOL Well...not all over, just in certain areas as you can see in the photos. 

What could be happening here? The developer says that I'm missing the lights (?) and that I should try reinstalling the Moscow program so I did, but it didn't change anything.

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Drzewiecki Design has very good support and the developer is usually right on.  You are missing lights.  I would do an uninstall and reinstall with Admin privileges.  I would make sure UAC is disabled and any anti-virus or anti-malware program is disabled and/or is set NOT to scan your FSX folder. 

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3 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

Drzewiecki Design has very good support and the developer is usually right on.  You are missing lights.  I would do an uninstall and reinstall with Admin privileges.  I would make sure UAC is disabled and any anti-virus or anti-malware program is disabled and/or is set NOT to scan your FSX folder. 

 I don't know how to uninstall the scenery as there is no "uninstall" listed when I go to the Uninstall Programs area. It was the same way with the Demo version as well. With that being said, how do I uninstall it? It's the only scenery that I have that is not listed. lol

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Any chance you can click on Start/New Programs and see a drop-down for that Drzewiecki Design

software.  It may list an uninstall program.

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14 minutes ago, charliearon said:

Any chance you can click on Start/New Programs and see a drop-down for that Drzewiecki Design

software.  It may list an uninstall program.

No, there is only a pdf manual in the dropdown. nothing more.

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16 minutes ago, AIRHOG said:

how do I uninstall it? It's the only scenery that I have that is not listed. lol

I have several Drzewiecki Design programs and I simply go to the directory where it is installed and delete the folder (such as Washington X, Moscow X, New York City X, etc.).  Make sure the demo folder is deleted too (if it exists).  Once this is done, open up Scenery Config Editor and delete the entry or, if you do not have the SCE, then startup FSX and, at setup, open up the Scenery Library and remove the entry(ies) there.

When I do things like this, I will also run Advanced System Care and make sure there are no leftovers in the system registry or elsewhere on my system.  For his simply way of uninstalling one of his products though, I do not think this is really required.  It is if you do uninstall a program via the Add/Remove Programs.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Jim

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 This is really getting frustrating...

So...here is what I've done so far:

1. Deleted the Moscow City X folder from the FSX Addon folder

2. Started FSX and removed Moscow City X from the Scenery Library

3. Reinstalled Moscow City X

4. Ran FSX to make sure that it was at the top of the Scenery Library list

5. Chose UUWW Rwy 24 and launched the flight and got the exact same results as before.

 So were are the "Light" files?!?! I've installed and uninstalled MCX at least seven times today and have had no improvements whatsoever. this, coupled with PMDG making my version of their 747 400 & 800 obsolete for livery updates, has truly been the hot steamy one on my day off.

I have no idea what to do now...

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Do you have MyTrafficX installed?  The manual for Moscow X says it is not compatible with any of the airports installed for Moscow.  MyTrafficX has the airports around Moscow so the AI can take off and land. 

I found light files in my installations of Washington X, like KDCA_Lights, but something is wrong as I'm sure you have UUWW_Lights and it is strange the file is not being called when you change over to night, dusk, and dawn.

Best regards,

Jim

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1 hour ago, Jim Young said:

Do you have MyTrafficX installed?  The manual for Moscow X says it is not compatible with any of the airports installed for Moscow.  MyTrafficX has the airports around Moscow so the AI can take off and land. 

I found light files in my installations of Washington X, like KDCA_Lights, but something is wrong as I'm sure you have UUWW_Lights and it is strange the file is not being called when you change over to night, dusk, and dawn.

Best regards,

Jim

I do have My Traffic 2013 installed. Could that disrupt the textures too? I'm hoping that "My Traffic X" and "My Traffic 2013" aren't related ;)

I did look in the Moscow City X texture folder and found a "LT_UUWW" & "LT_UUWW_LM" dds file; I'm assuming the "LT" is light (I have no idea what "LM" is), so that's a good thing to know, but why wouldn't they work?

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2 hours ago, AIRHOG said:

I did look in the Moscow City X texture folder and found a "LT_UUWW" & "LT_UUWW_LM" dds file; I'm assuming the "LT" is light (I have no idea what "LM" is), so that's a good thing to know, but why wouldn't they work?

You should see a .bgl in the scenery folder (which calls the texture).

MyTraffic2013 and MyTrafficX are the same.  Just a difference on who sold them.  Look in MyTraffic/Scenery for BR_UUWW.bgl and rename it.

Best regards,

Jim

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10 hours ago, Jim Young said:

You should see a .bgl in the scenery folder (which calls the texture).

MyTraffic2013 and MyTrafficX are the same.  Just a difference on who sold them.  Look in MyTraffic/Scenery for BR_UUWW.bgl and rename it.

Best regards,

Jim

Alright...I renamed the file to BR2_UUWW_ORIGINAL.BLG (mine had a "2" for some reason) but I still get the same results. 

Here is another interesting photo that I took today. Note how the textures seem to be overlapping in areas; I have both normal MCX textures and crazy textures at the same time.

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Also, this happens during the daylight hours, but not as bad. Could REX Essentials Plus have anything to do with this?!

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I've ran out of ideas.  I did check their forum, page 3 of the Moscow City X forum talks about elevation issues and Orbx vector stuff.  Have no idea if this might be related as I do not know if you have any Orbx stuff installed.  You does appear you have an elevation issue and other things are bleeding through.  Here's the link to the forum topic about elevations - http://drzewiecki-design.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=367&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Best regards,

Jim

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18 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

I've ran out of ideas.  I did check their forum, page 3 of the Moscow City X forum talks about elevation issues and Orbx vector stuff.  Have no idea if this might be related as I do not know if you have any Orbx stuff installed.  You does appear you have an elevation issue and other things are bleeding through.  Here's the link to the forum topic about elevations - http://drzewiecki-design.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=367&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Best regards,

Jim

Well...I guess I'll just live with it. lol 

No, I don't have any Orbx scenery, just what's listed here. The only one not shown is the SceneryTech Landclass Europe; it is the next one down, just off the screen.

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3 hours ago, Jim Young said:

I've ran out of ideas.  I did check their forum, page 3 of the Moscow City X forum talks about elevation issues and Orbx vector stuff.  Have no idea if this might be related as I do not know if you have any Orbx stuff installed.  You does appear you have an elevation issue and other things are bleeding through.  Here's the link to the forum topic about elevations - http://drzewiecki-design.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=367&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Best regards,

Jim

 So, what happens when a BackUp folder is made? In my MyTraffic 2013 folder, a backup folder for Moscow City X was made, and in it are 8 airport bgl files. Are these bgl files the original MCX bgl files that would normally overlap the original FSX airport files? In other words, Did MyTraffic pull the bgl files from MCX and store then while replacing them with MyTraffic bgl's into the MCX scenery folder?

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My Traffic does nothing to your scenery.  It just installs.  I strongly recommend you have it located just above Propeller Objects in the Scenery Library and all add-ons on top. 

I see you have Ultimate Traffic installed.  Have you tried disabling it to make sure it is not interfering with your Moscow scenery?  Disable it via the utility, not the Scenery Library (look under the Terrain tab in the utility).  It has vector data just like Orbx/FTX Vector.  In fact they compete with each other.

Best regards,

Jim

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3 hours ago, Jim Young said:

My Traffic does nothing to your scenery.  It just installs.  I strongly recommend you have it located just above Propeller Objects in the Scenery Library and all add-ons on top. 

I see you have Ultimate Traffic installed.  Have you tried disabling it to make sure it is not interfering with your Moscow scenery?  Disable it via the utility, not the Scenery Library (look under the Terrain tab in the utility).  It has vector data just like Orbx/FTX Vector.  In fact they compete with each other.

Best regards,

Jim

 Well, as history has proven, things happen to me that have never happened to others. lol

 Before getting your reply, I had uninstalled all of my addon terrain, MyTraffic 2013, along with Moscow City X (I didn't, however, uninstall any terrain or scenery that wasn't in the area.). Then I installed only Moscow City X, but the problem remained. After that, I reinstalled everything else; now knowing that none of it was the issue, and started up FSX just to make sure that the issue still remained, and it did, just as I had thought it would.

 Now, I took your advice and attempted to move MyTraffic 2013 one step above Propeller Objects, but, low and behold, it wouldn't budge and inch...or...you know...up. So that's a No Go unless you know how to get it to move.

 So, as for the Ultimate Traffic; I'm guessing that you meant Ultimate Terrain, I opened FSX but cannot find a Utilities tab anywhere. Not even sure if that's where it's supposed to be. Maybe I need a little more help on that one too ;)

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21 minutes ago, AIRHOG said:

as for the Ultimate Traffic; I'm guessing that you meant Ultimate Terrain,

That's correct.  Sorry for the confusion.  It was around 5 AM and I was getting ready for the golf course....

When you open the Ultimate Terrain utility, there should be a Terrain tab at the top where you can enable/disable the utility.

Best regards,

Jim

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1 hour ago, Jim Young said:

That's correct.  Sorry for the confusion.  It was around 5 AM and I was getting ready for the golf course....

When you open the Ultimate Terrain utility, there should be a Terrain tab at the top where you can enable/disable the utility.

Best regards,

Jim

 Scenery Tech Landclass is what the Install Manager shows, not Ultimate terrain, but it lists it as Ultimate Terrain in the Scenery Library. I do have Ultimate Terrain Alaska installed and it does have the Utility for it. The Scenery Tech Landclass, however, does not have a Utility editor. But no matter, as mentioned before, I had actually uninstalled Scenery Tech Landclass Asia and Europe, and then reinstalled MCX and it made no difference. 

 "What does make a difference?", you ask. Altitude! Yes, altitude. Somewhere between 32,000 & 35,000!

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9 hours ago, AIRHOG said:

 "What does make a difference?", you ask. Altitude! Yes, altitude. Somewhere between 32,000 & 35,000!

I think you need to go to the developer and get him to fix his product.

Best regards,

Jim

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1 hour ago, Jim Young said:

I think you need to go to the developer and get him to fix his product.

Best regards,

Jim

This was Stan's reply,

"It does look weird but U don't think our product would be able to generate this visuals. If without hacing our product activated there are still some scenery elements existed, this suggests a conflict between various sceneries."

But like I said, I had uninstalled all add on sceneries; to include MCX, and then reinstalled Only MCX and got the same results.

 The altitude difference is rather interesting to me.I'm not familiar with how things really work in FSX, as you by now know,  but I can understand that the time of day would require a change of textures, thus placing the large untextured squares in the scenery. But what would altitude have to do with it? What happens to the texture files at, or around, 35,000ft?

 That, in itself, is rather interesting...

 By the way, Jim, I want you to know that I do greatly appreciate all of you help. Thank you.

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2 hours ago, AIRHOG said:

What happens to the texture files at, or around, 35,000ft?

Textures are rendered for the ground.  When you go up to FL350 it will show those textures as if you were flying over them at FL350.  I know very little about textures but know the placement of textures in the Scenery Library is very important.  But, that's not all!  When you install Orbx/FTX Global and Global Vector and OpenLC Europe OR GEX and Ultimate Terrain X for Alaska (or for Europe), it does wild and cool things to your installation of scenery as both programs also throw elevations into the Scenery/World/Scenery folder and those elevation files may also affect everything else installed (but mostly over the territory you have installed, like Alaska).  When you disable Ultimate Terrain X, it is supposed to turn all of those elevation files off but sometimes it doesn't (blame it on computers).  What you are seeing are two patches of scenery that are sticking above your beloved UUWW airport scenery.  Those two patches belong to something and something is causing them to show above your airport.  You just need to find the textures that belong to those patches and everything will then work perfectly, lights and everything.  Those two patches are covering up your ability to see lights but they are under those two patches.  Heck, you can see the lights bleeding through!

So, this is why you need to disable UTX and then look in Scenery/World/Scenery and make sure all of the UTX elevation files are also disabled.

You need to disable all other scenery you have installed as an addon except for Moscow.  I would disable all the way down to Propeller Objects including MyTraffic and just leave Moscow enabled.  This will fix it but you need to figure out what scenery is causing you problems.

There is one other slight possibility and that is your FSX configuration.  Under the Scenery tab, Texture Resolution will raise or lower your airport scenery elevation.  To the far right it will be raised high.  Set it to the far left and the airport elevation will be lower.  I think all scenery is developed with the Texture Resolution set to the max.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Jim

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 After uninstalling all of my scenery files once again; to include Ultimate Terrain Alaska and My Traffic 2013, I reinstalled the original FSX bgl airport files and started up FSX only to see that the problem still persists. This tells me only one thing…this is a texturing error on the designers part.

 

So here’s what I did…

 

 I reinstalled Moscow City X only, and I took a tour of all of the airports that Moscow City X upgraded; there are seven in total (UUWW, UUMB, UUMU, UUBW, UUBM UUDD and UUMO), and I made note of each one that had similar issues. Out of the seven airports, UUWW, UUBW & UUDD all had the exact same issue when the clock struck Dusk, Night or Dawn. Oddly enough, in the Moscow City X texture folder, only UUWW, UUBW and UUDD have LT_XXXX & LT_XXXX_LM texture files. None of the other four airports have these texture files in this folder.

 I removed the six texture files and ran FSX again. During the day hours, the exact same squares were missing, just as the evening, night and morning texture squares that I showed in an earlier post.

 So I did some testing…

 By removing and installing these texture files, this is what happened in FSX:

 

1.       With both LT_XXXX & LT_XXXX_LM textures installed: Day Textures, but no Night textures

2.       With only LT_XXXX textures installed: Day Textures, but no Night Textures

3.       With only LT_XXXX_LM textures installed: No Day or Nights Textures

 

 Something else was interesting to me. When I had cut and pasted these six texture files to my desktop, I noticed a significant difference between the LT_XXXX files and the LT_XXXX_LM files. The LT_XXXX file display was completely translucent whereas the LT_XXXX_LM file displays were solid white, as if there were no textures added to them at all. This, coupled with the fact that the LM files gave no texturing to FSX, tells me that the _LM files are corrupt or incomplete.

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 It is the “LT_” texture files that give the textures to the squares in question for the three airports (Day Time Only), and that the “LT_LM” texture files offer nothing to FSX. And it’s equally interesting that only these three airports have these texture sets.

 You thoughts on this are more than welcome…

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