Mooney M20R Version 1.1 Available

[RichieFly 728]

Alabeo has released the 1st update to the M20R

Here is the link to FSElite where I saw this information.

Nice that they fixed these items.

[JYW 2,977]

Excellent, cheers Richie for the H-U  - off to grab it now!

I have to say, accepting it's limitations and "Alabeo-ness", I am loving the Mooney.

[awash2002 12]

Version 1.1 is great 

[shivers9 1,174]

3 hours ago, JYW said:

Excellent, cheers Richie for the H-U  - off to grab it now!

I have to say, accepting it's limitations and "Alabeo-ness", I am loving the Mooney.

WoW...that I think is a first. I may have to take back my remarks and eat a bit of crow over this one. I may buy it now just to incourage them in the future. At least they seem to now be trying! It is layed out very nicely. Looks like they did something about the flaps. Bill does it fly better than the original release.

[Gregg_Seipp 565]

Seems to me Alabeo is doing a bit better than Carenado.  They listened when people begged for steam gauges on the Seminole and this looks like a good release as well.  Now, if they could take a little time and fix the remaining issues on the Conquest...

[RichieFly 728]

The flaps now have 3 positions: Up, Takeoff and Down.

Before there were 2 more positions, I think. As to whether this is accurate, I guess so. I haven't flown a Mooney in about 30 years.

I think it flies pretty well. I have a sense that there's too much power with the throttle closed, but that's just a sense and not based on anything. Come to think of it, Mooneys were pretty 'floaty'.

[JYW 2,977]

2 hours ago, RichieFly said:

The flaps now have 3 positions: Up, Takeoff and Down.

Before there were 2 more positions, I think. As to whether this is accurate, I guess so.

Yes this is (now) correct.   There was a Mooney pilot in the other main thread on this airplane who pointed out that there should only be 3 positions for the flaps.   Unfortunately, although I've installed 1.1 I haven't yet had time to try it out to see what else has been fixed up.    I hoping the trim wheel now moves in the right direction!

[DavidP 1,408]

46 minutes ago, JYW said:

There was a Mooney pilot in the other main thread on this airplane

Hi JYW, that was me - yes, the flap indicator is 3 stage and is now correct. I still agree that it is over powered, however I was kind of put in my place by a simmer who told me "it's not an M20M" - so I deferred to his experience and no longer participated in the thread since he must have had more experience on type than mine in the M20M - but yes, it is an Ovation, not a Bravo, which is turbo charged. Having slowed it down many, many times in real life IFR approaches, I can categorically say that the M20R shouldn't take as long as it does.

[FDEdev 955]

16 minutes ago, DavidP said:

...he must have had more experience on type than mine in the M20M

Wrong assumption. I only compared the Ovation 2 POH data with the Alabeo Mooney performance.

[Gregg_Seipp 565]

2 hours ago, DavidP said:

I can categorically say that the M20R shouldn't take as long as it does.

Does that imply too little parasitic drag?  Also, how's the stability in turns?  My sense is that FSX/P3D makes them too stable and I'd wonder if this one is the same.

[FDEdev 955]

Drag is ok as the L/D ratio matches the values from the POH. Apparently it's the prop drag at idle that might be too low, but this depends a lot on the installed prop!

If the M has a different prop, and more important a different blade angle at idle, idle drag will be quite a bit different.

What do you mean with 'stability in turns'? Spiral stability?

 

edit: just compared the prop values and blade angle is quite a bit different:  M minimum pitch 15°,  R 16.5° which means less idle drag on the R.

[Gregg_Seipp 565]

15 minutes ago, J35OE said:

What do you mean with 'stability in turns'? Spiral stability?

Not sure what "spiral stability" is for sure but, some airplanes I've flown tended to want to keep leaning over if you didn't catch them...which would result in a spin.  How do Mooneys handle slow speed turns?

[FDEdev 955]

8 minutes ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

Not sure what "spiral stability" is for sure but, some airplanes I've flown tended to want to keep leaning over if you didn't catch them...which would result in a spin.  

Positive spiral stability means that the plane tends to roll out of the turn and negative means that the bank angle steepens. This depends a lot on speed and bank angle.

If you don't apply back pressure on the yoke when the 'leaning over' occurs (negative spiral stability), the result should be a spiral dive but no spin!  

[Murfman 47]

Just curious, does this plane model RPM sound vs. prop speed correctly.  Very few planes in FSX or P3D get this even close to correct.  Interestingly the Alabeo C207 has this modeled correctly, as does the Carenado Cheyenne.  When you increase or decrease the throttle or power lever in a constant speed prop airplane at normal operating ranges, you  shouldn't hear the RPM increase or decrease.  Microsoft Flight had this right, X-plane has it right, and FSW has it right.  What puzzles me is that, if someone at Alabeo has figured out how to do this in FSX or P3D, why doesn't it henceforth carry over to other Caranado and Alabeo planes? Once you are aware of this problem, it's really hard not to notice it.  It doesn't really spoil your flying experience; it's just a little bit of an annoyance (at least for me).

The first FSX plane that I'm aware of that modelled sound vs. prop speed correctly was Digital Aviation's Cheyenne, sold by Aerosoft.  Aerosoft's own Twotter is correct in this regard also.  I don't know about A2A's  C182 or Commanche, since I don't have them, but I would be surprised if they didn't have it correct.

Regards,

Tom

 

[FDEdev 955]

That this 'works' on the 207 is surprising as this is a basic bug in FSX/P3D. (Don't know why LM didn't fix this item as they sell P3D as a training tool and not as a game)

Even Aerofly FS2 is correct. 

Interesting that you mention FSW as I've read that it's the same like in FSX/P3D.

On the turboprops in FSX/P3D this error doesn't normally occur. It works as it should e.g. on the Carenado King Air and 1900 as well.