On 9/4/2017 at 11:50 AM, nealmac said:

Disappointing to see that it's just "another GA aircraft", but kudos to DTG for keeping on top of this project. I still haven't ruled out buying it.

Although I take the point that the PA-28R is certainly another GA aeroplane being added to a sim which, at this point, only has GA aeroplanes in it and in fact already has a Cherokee, albeit the fixed gear version, I have to say that there is no way I would describe Just Flight's PA-28R Arrow III as 'just another GA aircraft'. It absolutely is one of the best add-on aeroplanes you can get for FSX and P3D, perhaps only surpassed by those of A2A, such as their Piper Commanche, which I think absolutely is the best GA aeroplane you can get for a PC-based flight sim at present. But Just Flight's PA-28 Cherokee derivatives (their Warrior, Arrow and Archer) and their equally impressive Socata Trinidad and Tobago run a pretty close second to that A2A Commanche.

I daresay Just Flight's FSW PA-28 will be heavily based on what they have already made for FSX and P3D. But given that FSW has A2A's Accufeel built in, better texture display capabilities, interactive cockpit checklists etc, I can't wait to see what Just Flight's team can manage to do with all those more advanced features of FSW. I am seriously expecting that new JF Arrow for FSW is going to be one of the best flight sim GA aeroplanes anyone has ever seen for any PC-based flight sim. Expect to see a few jaws drop and expect to see quite a few more sales of Flight Sim World too.

15 hours ago, Chock said:

Although I take the point that the PA-28R is certainly another GA aeroplane being added to a sim which, at this point, only has GA aeroplanes in it and in fact already has a Cherokee, albeit the fixed gear version, I have to say that there is no way I would describe Just Flight's PA-28R Arrow III as 'just another GA aircraft'. It absolutely is one of the best add-on aeroplanes you can get for FSX and P3D, perhaps only surpassed by those of A2A, such as their Piper Commanche, which I think absolutely is the best GA aeroplane you can get for a PC-based flight sim at present. But Just Flight's PA-28 Cherokee derivatives (their Warrior, Arrow and Archer) and their equally impressive Socata Trinidad and Tobago run a pretty close second to that A2A Commanche.

I daresay Just Flight's FSW PA-28 will be heavily based on what they have already made for FSX and P3D. But given that FSW has A2A's Accufeel built in, better texture display capabilities, interactive cockpit checklists etc, I can't wait to see what Just Flight's team can manage to do with all those more advanced features of FSW. I am seriously expecting that new JF Arrow for FSW is going to be one of the best flight sim GA aeroplanes anyone has ever seen for any PC-based flight sim. Expect to see a few jaws drop and expect to see quite a few more sales of Flight Sim World too.

I have no doubts in my mind that it is indeed a fine aircraft. But not all simmers are VFR or GA enthusiasts. I like flying the heavy iron. I was just making the point that if DTG are looking to attract a wider range of customers, then this doesn't work for me. In my case, the lack of heavy iron in FSW is a total deal breaker. Of course if they are happy to cater for GA / VFR fans only, then who am I to criticise?

5 minutes ago, nealmac said:

I like flying the heavy iron.

Heavy iron will be included later in the ongoing development. But then perhaps at a higher price for FSW?

On 9/5/2017 at 0:03 PM, nealmac said:

I have no doubts in my mind that it is indeed a fine aircraft. But not all simmers are VFR or GA enthusiasts. I like flying the heavy iron. I was just making the point that if DTG are looking to attract a wider range of customers, then this doesn't work for me. In my case, the lack of heavy iron in FSW is a total deal breaker. Of course if they are happy to cater for GA / VFR fans only, then who am I to criticise?

I'm with you on that. I will certainly be wanting bigger stuff like Douglas DC-3s and Boeing 737s in FSW, but I have little doubt they are coming, in fact it is apparent even right now that they are on the way when one sees the icon for them in Flight Sim World's GUI. Moreover, we did always know Just Flight were enthusiastic about FSW, but know for a fact now they are making things for it, and one thing everyone knows about Just Flight, is that have a massive catalogue of airliners.

Of course Just Flight's airliners, principally developed for them by Aeroplane Heaven, are not everyone's cup of tea, since they tend to be a little bit on the lighter side when compared to things such as iFly, PMDG and FSL, but that's not always true, certainly some of them are quite complex and faithful to the real thing. Personally I am for one glad they are around, because if they were not, we would not have the following for either FSX or P3D: Douglas DC-8, HS.748, DH Comet, BAC 1-11, Vickers VC-10, Fokker Friendship, Lockheed L-1011, Vickers Viscount, Lockheed Electra etc, etc, so we know that there is a developer on board which is not only a champion of bringing us the airliners which nobody else bothers with, but at a decent price too.

Momma didn't raise no dummies when it comes to the head honchos at DTG, they are well aware that people want airliners in a sim. I can guarantee you that they will be doing deals to ensure that happens.

Not thrilled myself that it is another GA aircraft. The ones we have are very good and good enough as far as I am concerned. I would have preferred to have seen an ultra light trike, or a commuter prop or jet plane, or a helicopter. Something other than GA. I doubt any of my dollars are going to be spent on this one.

Although I probably won't purchase it I think this DLC will be a good test for DTG's interface with 3PDs. Unlike the current situation where users raise tickets against DTG we will now have users raising tickets about third party products. Inevitably there will be cases where the 3PD wants DTG to makes changes to FSW to either fix issues or to further enhance a feature that isn't working as expected.

Exactly, SamYeager. While FSW is still in Early Access, any features which are added (including 3rd party add-ons) are for the benefit of the further development of the sim itself, not for our benefit as such. Building a flightsim is much like building a house - you can't start building a house by doing the roof first, and you can't start building a flightsim by adding airliners first.

1 hour ago, Chock said:

I'm with you on that. I will certainly be wanting bigger stuff like Douglas DC-3s and Boeing 737s in FSW, but I have little doubt they are coming, in fact it is apparent even right now that they are on the way when one sees the icon for them in Flight Sim World's GUI

However, it is still easier to remove an icon than to add larger (jet)aircraft  But I agree, I am convinced they will come to FSW.somewhere down the road.

On 9/5/2017 at 2:20 PM, Rimshot said:

However, it is still easier to remove an icon than to add larger (jet)aircraft  But I agree, I am convinced they will come to FSW.somewhere down the road.

That is true, but from the outset DTG said that whilst FSW will be, and already is capable of supporting such craft, they are not going to waste time developing half-a-job airliners themselves as default aircraft when they know third party developers can do a better job of it, since that is a TPD's area of expertise, which makes perfect sense.

DTG said a similar thing with regard to helicopters, but I wouldn't put it past DTG to strike a deal with Just Flight and get one of their airliners in there and probably with someone else, to get a chopper in there too, just for completeness. After all, that would be a lot better for marketing purposes rather than having people whine about there being no big jets or choppers in there at all and constantly having to point out that you can add them, which is after all part of the point of DTG developing the thing in the first place.

I guess it would be no skin off some company such as Just Flight's nose to have one of their jetliners in FSW, especially if it is one which has reached sales saturation point for P3D and FSX, in return for perhaps some other concession. Several developers, including Just Flight, have done exactly that kind of deal with Lockheed Martin.

All in all, this is great news. As more Devs join in, FSW will expand. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From the readers comments section on AirDailyX:

"What makes FSW a closed environment? Developers can, and have, ported FSX/P3D content into the sim already. There are no DRM-type systems to prevent third-party content being added and the main issue for developers is the lack of SDK. That is due to FSW being in early-access, a constantly evolving platform, but one of our aims throughout the conversion of the Arrow III for FSW has been to help Dovetail create a suitable SDK - understanding what developers need, what support they can offer etc, and they are making real efforts in those areas but it's still early days.

There is definitely a disconnect between the reality of the situation and the perception, particularly among non-developers.

As far as we (Just Flight) are concerned, we have had a positive relationship with Dovetail stretching back many years through the train simulation side of our business, and that relationship continues with new FSX:SE, FSW and TS content. We are also working on new content for P3D, XP11 and Aerofly 2. Busy times!

Thanks
Martyn - Just Flight"

And I'm happy to answer any other questions about our Arrow III for FSW...

As for the lack of non-GA aircraft, when developing a new simulator and constantly adding new functionality, and when working with a third-party developer like us to create a useful/comprehensive SDK, it makes perfect sense to focus on a relatively straightforward aircraft such as the Arrow III rather than jumping in the deep-end with something like a study-sim 747. That shouldn't lead people to believe that this will remain a GA only environment though.

Thanks
Martyn - Just Flight

Thank you Martyn - at the risk of opening the flood gates, could I ask whether the FSW "Cold and Dark" feature will be incorporated and if so, will it be limited to the cold and dark startup phase of flight? Also, and I don't mean to be pushy - but will I be able to buy myself the FSW Arrow III for Christmas?

The Arrow III is fully integrated with the FSW cold and dark feature, just like the default FSW aircraft.

You'll be able to buy it for yourself well before then...

Thanks
Martyn - Just Flight 

Fantastic! Thanks Martyn.