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Is the QWSim 787 release closer after paintkit release?

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On 9/11/2017 at 2:48 PM, ckyliu said:

Well we're going off-topic but as you asked the question: I read somewhere (here's something similar) that PMDG and some other big names were working quite closely with DTG until fairly recently then got frozen out the process and DTG insisted third party addons be sold through their Steam channels, which seemed to annoy quite a few big name developers.

Bit off topic, but don't worry, it goes back on topic below...

Nah, that one is ancient history, and was based on a fallacy anyway. But as with many such rumours, people repeat them, which perpetuates them, and internet forums always make good rumour mills as we know.

But the actual evidence just does not bear the rumour out: You've got A2A, Simul, Orbx, Just Flight, Turbulent Design, Carenado etc all involved with DTG's FSW, and JF are currently helping out on finalising the SDK for FSW to streamline the TPD process and ensure it is suited to modern development methods. JF  sell way more stuff than most other TPDs and have been responsible for creating tons of it themselves too, with their recent GA efforts receiving high praise from most people, so they'd hardly be pushing a product which was going to shut the door on their own business if there was any truth in that 'you have to sell through Steam' nonsense. Common sense ought to make that clear enough, but as noted, when did common sense ever stop a rumour?

Yeah PMDG can sometimes get vocal about stuff, they were the same when MS Flight came out when it was suggested that DLC would be handled exclusively through MS. But as much as I like many PMDG products, I'm not one of those who goes 'oh my gosh, PMDG have spoken!' the moment RR makes mention of anything. If A2A and JF are on board that's indicative of which way the wind is blowing, and lets face it, they've made vastly more varied products and act as brokers for many more too - and in the case of A2A - made quite a lot of better aeroplanes than PMDG anyway. Lot's of people argue about who is better, PMDG or FSL, whereas I say neither, A2A beat them both put together lol.

To demonstrate the truth of this all, I bought that latest Piper PA-28R Arrow III/IV for FSW off JF's website, so that 'you have to sell through Steam' stuff is clearly not the case, and it's not the case with UK2000's airports either, which have an FSW installer option, nor with FS Flight Control, which is also compatible with FSW.

Anyway, back on topic, there is of course another reason for QW to bang out the FSX version first, and it's a shrewd one too: Most people who have P3D V4 will be fairly serious simmers, who probably have FSX too, or more likely FSX-SE since it runs a bit better. And those 'serious simmers' will have wanted a 787 for years, so will they be able to resist hitting 'buy now' when it comes out for FSX, or will they wait? I'd say a fair few would hit 'buy now', and then when it comes out for P3D, they'll be having to buy it again (this is assuming it is not a free product upgrade, which isn't likely given the licensing differences, although hopefully it would not be a full price buy to get it again). Kerching! two sales instead of one, simply for holding back the P3D version a few weeks. Not a very charitable business approach, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't do that myself if I were in their shoes.

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36 minutes ago, Chock said:

But as much as I like many PMDG products, I'm not one of those who goes 'oh my gosh, PMDG have spoken!' the moment RR makes mention of anything. If A2A and JF are on board that's indicative of which way the wind is blowing,

Oh gosh please don't lump me in with them; I get fed up of certain community personalities being regarded as demigods by some! But I don't participate in FS discussion boards very often so sometimes it's difficult to separate fact from fallacy or I have outdated info.

I was thinking of going P3Dv4 fairly soon, what you've done is muddied the waters again and make me consider waiting longer before switching to see what will be FSW compatible and at what price! :laugh:

I agree with your point about most P3Ders still having FSX on hand and clamouring for a 787! Some developers have played that out very profitably....

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55 minutes ago, Chock said:

Anyway, back on topic, there is of course another reason for QW to bang out the FSX version first, and it's a shrewd one too: Most people who have P3D V4 will be fairly serious simmers, who probably have FSX too, or more likely FSX-SE since it runs a bit better. And those 'serious simmers' will have wanted a 787 for years, so will they be able to resist hitting 'buy now' when it comes out for FSX, or will they wait? I'd say a fair few would hit 'buy now', and then when it comes out for P3D, they'll be having to buy it again (this is assuming it is not a free product upgrade, which isn't likely given the licensing differences, although hopefully it would not be a full price buy to get it again). Kerching! two sales instead of one, simply for holding back the P3D version a few weeks. Not a very charitable business approach, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't do that myself if I were in their shoes.

This is possible. I may be in the minority, but if the P3DV4 version is the full price or even more, I'm not buying the FSX version.

So if you are reading this QW, don't do what Chock said:biggrin:

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They started the FSX version years ago makes sense that it will be released first.

 

If you jump out of your avsim bubble you'll realize alot of people still use FSX.

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3 hours ago, ukplane1 said:

They started the FSX version years ago makes sense that it will be released first.

 

If you jump out of your avsim bubble you'll realize alot of people still use FSX.

Bad business. Spend time working on a product and then releasing it to a sim which is on the way out? The product itself will help drive P3Dv4 sales more but the converse is not true.

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6 hours ago, ukplane1 said:

If you jump out of your Avsim bubble you'll realize a lot of people still use FSX.

I would venture to say the "casual" simmer who is not present on Avsim, reddit, or other enthusiast sites is likely aloof of the add-on market. 

The fact remains FSX is on it's way out. QW will do what is best for them. If releasing for FSX first is their shakeout cruise, then I don't begrudge them one bit. 

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If they fire it off onto Steam for sale in FSX-SE as DLC, I think it could do well for them there sales-wise providing the price is right. Which may or may not be their plan since it will still install in FSX-SE even if not sold through that medium, but as noted, whether FSX-SE users who rely on Steam DLC content will even know about it if it isn't sold through that medium is another matter.

It's the big shiny new airliner that will appeal to many, like the FF A350 does in XPlane 11, but the thing with XPlane is that the org store is not unknown to most XPlane users, so they do know that thing exists, but I would put money on a lot of FSX-SE users who view Steam DLC as their main source for add-ons never having even heard of Quality Wings, and they certainly won't be looking to buy it if they don't know it exists. 

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As long as it will arrive for P3D any time soon, I do not care about what platform they release it first on :-)

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Every time I see a new video of this project,  it looks more and more like a winner.  It really does look (and sound) very nice indeed.  It's hard to beat a PMDG benchmark, but this looks like it's a contender.

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That's what they said about the Crj and its a steamy piece of dog 💩 

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7 minutes ago, tooting said:

That's what they said about the Crj and its a steamy piece of dog 💩 

There weren't many video's about showing CRJ functionality.  There are one or two 787 videos showing flight setup and programming, startup, take-off and climb - and that was some time ago.  It all looked (and sounded) great to me.    I was never impressed with the CRJ videos (neither do I have it)

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2 hours ago, tooting said:

That's what they said about the Crj and its a steamy piece of dog 💩 

Well, I think that's not everyones opinion about it - but let's rant about AS again. We didn't have that for a while.

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On 9/11/2017 at 4:19 PM, Chock said:

Anyway, back on topic, there is of course another reason for QW to bang out the FSX version first, and it's a shrewd one too: Most people who have P3D V4 will be fairly serious simmers, who probably have FSX too, or more likely FSX-SE since it runs a bit better. And those 'serious simmers' will have wanted a 787 for years, so will they be able to resist hitting 'buy now' when it comes out for FSX, or will they wait? I'd say a fair few would hit 'buy now', and then when it comes out for P3D, they'll be having to buy it again (this is assuming it is not a free product upgrade, which isn't likely given the licensing differences, although hopefully it would not be a full price buy to get it again). Kerching! two sales instead of one, simply for holding back the P3D version a few weeks. Not a very charitable business approach, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't do that myself if I were in their shoes.

Actually FSLabs did this 'trick'. And I fell for it and bought both. It's my big fear, that QualityWings performs this manoeuvre, but if they do... well... I'll probably fall in the same trap again... *SIGH*

Oh, the weakness... 

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21 hours ago, ukplane1 said:

They started the FSX version years ago makes sense that it will be released first.

 

If you jump out of your avsim bubble you'll realize alot of people still use FSX.

Well said. JV said recently a third of their Orbx scenery customer base is for FSX. That's a lot. It may not require big changes to port to P3d V3 and that's most of the market covered probably.

Converting to v4 64 bit is likely to be a mammoth task and it's constantly changing so it makes sense.

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17 minutes ago, sanh said:

Converting to v4 64 bit is likely to be a mammoth task and it's constantly changing so it makes sense.

pmdg did the 744, the 777 and the 737 in about 6 weeks ? 

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25 minutes ago, sanh said:

Converting to v4 64 bit is likely to be a mammoth task and it's constantly changing so it makes sense.

A task, but hardly mammoth.

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5 hours ago, tooting said:

That's what they said about the Crj and its a steamy piece of dog 💩 

Even in a thread about the QW787 you manage to get your little dig in about the CRJ. It's actually quite pathetic. We get it. You don't like. Point made. You don't need to churn it out over and over again across the entire forums.

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5 hours ago, tooting said:

pmdg did the 744, the 777 and the 737 in about 6 weeks ? 

QW have taken several years to develop the plane for FSX so I am guessing based on their current pace they wont be as quick as some of the competition. Hopefully I am just being overly pessimistic :)

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