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Quote from Andrew at  FSL: "Naturally, given the complexity of the A320-X, our focus going forward is on P3Dv4 and FSW at this time - as these platforms allow us to implement new and exciting features into our product lines.

 

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Don't see why they wouldn't, it does indeed allow new and exciting features, and it is, like P3D, 64 bit and they're both based on ESP, so presumably development would not be too different for them to cover both sims.

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4 minutes ago, Chock said:

Don't see why they wouldn't, it does indeed allow new and exciting features, and it is, like P3D, 64 bit and they're both based on ESP, so presumably development would not be too different for them to cover both sims.

I think it would be great for FSW with FSL joining the ranks. Positive future looking forward.

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USD $99.95 on their website. I would imagine the ones that complained about the cost of the Arrow III DLC will choke on that! Nevertheless it looks like a superb rendition of the popular aircraft and probably the only one anyone would ever need.

Also on their website though:-

- Some of our friends noticed that we updated the text on our Facebook page to include Dovetail simulators as part of our target platform group. We enjoy a close relationship with Dovetail developers but at the moment, we do not have any significant news to offer on that front as the platform is still in early release mode.

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With regard to the cost being at odds with what users might pay for, what you have to bear in mind is that many flight simmers who are currently using P3D will be interested in FSW when it is completed, particularly if it has better weather modeling than P3D, and better flight modeling than P3D, and better terrain than P3D and more up to date Nav aids than P3D (and let's be honest, it actually already does have all those things right now, even in its early access state). So if you can fly the most realistically simulated airliner around in it, then why wouldn't you want to?

The FSL A320 is certainly the best airliner you can get for a home PC flight sim, it's among the very few which truly could be used as a supplementary aid to real world training, so it has a price commensurate with the work involved in achieving that level of fidelity. This is its appeal, you absolutely do get what you pay for with it and in actual fact that is cheap when this is acknowledged, but whether every flight simmer actually wants or needs that level of realism is another matter. But I'm willing to bet many do.

Since I'd worked on the real thing, for me it was something I was interested to buy, and knowing the complexity of the real airliner's systems and how hard it would be to have that portrayed in FSX and the work involved in making that happen, I was happy to pay that kind of money for it. I don't imagine for one second that I'm alone in that or that many FSW users share that level of enthusiasm for aeroplanes, and because it's about as close as many of us will get to being let loose on one to play around with for as long as they like and to their heart's content, the FSL A320 is something anyone who truly loves aeroplanes would not flinch at paying for. You'd have to literally multiply the price of the FSL A320 by one million times to have a real one of them to play about with, because a real one would cost you about one hundred million Dollars, and people know that.

Thus people who are intrigued to that kind of level by an aeroplane probably won't think twice about paying around a hundred quid for it after all, certainly when they consider that's probably the kind of money you'd spend on a couple of good nights out in a pub or club with friends, so it's not exactly a fortune. It's not cheap, but it's not exactly out of people's reach either if they really do love aeroplanes. And anyone who is into flight sims loves aeroplanes, because if they don't, they'd be playing Call of Duty instead, and guess what? the latest Call of Duty game costs 43 quid, so that's not cheap either.

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37 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

Where did you get those quotes?

From the FSL General forum, the VC preview thread.

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7 minutes ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

From the FSL General forum, the VC preview thread.

Thanks, will check.

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3 hours ago, AOB said:

- Some of our friends noticed that we updated the text on our Facebook page to include Dovetail simulators as part of our target platform group. We enjoy a close relationship with Dovetail developers but at the moment, we do not have any significant news to offer on that front as the platform is still in early release mode.

This quote is from May, when FSW was just released. The op´s quote is from today.

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Interesting... Have DoveTail Games released an SDK for FSW yet? Before that happens, no development could take place, I assume?

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8 minutes ago, Anders Bermann said:

Interesting... Have DoveTail Games released an SDK for FSW yet? Before that happens, no development could take place, I assume?

Not true, Just Flight just released the Piper Arrow for FSW, JF is helping DTG to build their SDK.

FSLabs could be Helping DTG with the heavy birds part of the SDK.

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Ok well lets hope that we see some jets soon then :cool:

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One direct benefit would be to have, for free, updated World Airports and Navaids + Airspace data, which comes packed with FSW.

I was surprised to find there even my little soaring airfield - LPMN...

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1 hour ago, carbonbasedlifeform said:

Here's the actual link: https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?/topic/13729-preview-shots-of-virtual-cockpit-in-p3d-v4/&do=findComment&comment=105548

I prefer general aviation, but this is great news for FSW. This is the kind of thing the haters were saying was never going to happen.

I think the haters were wrong? I also think they will still hate, because they have so much money tied up in other sim's. But I don't work for DTG. So much information, hard to figure out what is real and what is not. And of course jet's will come at some point. Just who knows when? No one will be happier than DTG when this happens. Of course whatever jet comes out first is going to make the other people waiting on their jet angry :)

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11 hours ago, jcomm said:

One direct benefit would be to have, for free, updated World Airports and Navaids + Airspace data, which comes packed with FSW.

I was surprised to find there even my little soaring airfield - LPMN...

Are you saying that all the airports, including navaids, approaches, comms and waypoints are circa 2017 in FSW (like what fsaerodata does for P3d and FSX)? I've definitely  noticed a few changes, but now you've got me curious as to  what extent the airports have been updated. And further, if the FSW stock APX BGL files are all brand new, a P3d user could replace the P3d or FSX files  with the FSW files and have all the stock airports updated. That seems like an inexpensive third party scenery add-on.

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2 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

Are you saying that all the airports, including navaids, approaches, comms and waypoints are circa 2017 in FSW (like what fsaerodata does for P3d and FSX)?

Well, definitely not all of them. I reside in Japan and therefore I tend to fly around there in the sim from time to time and pay closer attention to that region. In there, at least, the airport data seems to be no different from FSX.

For example, Haneda airport is missing the new international terminal and fourth runway, both of which have been operational since 2010. Also missing are Kobe airport along with the island it's been built on, and at Kansai airport the second runway and LCC terminal are missing. New Kitakyushu airport is not included either. None of these are of course major things unless you have a special interest in flying around Japan, but it would be nice to have those brought up to date in the future.

What ever updates have been done to the airports within FSW, they are likely limited to Europe/US, not so much elsewhere on the globe. Nevertheless, I find FSW to be quite enjoyable, will be interesting to see how it evolves over the coming months.

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Actually I did a little checking with ADE and your assumption appears correct. The updates are mostly in the Americas and Europe and then not all airports are updated. Basically, FSW still needs a version of fsaerodata to keep all the stock airports up to date with the latest AIRAC. I'm not sure whether that will happen, as the airport file naming conventions that Dovetail used are different than those in FSX and P3d. But this thread  is going off topic so, if there are more comments unrelated to FSL, they should be shifted to a new thread.

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I noticed the differences mostly around Europe, aiports and navaids.

I was positively surprised to see all runways at EDDF, as well as my small field ( LPMN ) and another one I also use IRL ( LPSO ).

Can't tell about the differences in other parts of the World. I chase bad weather mostly :-)  I always try to go flying circuits at the airports that present the most adverse weather scenarios for the day ... That's my preferred use of civil flight simulators, hence why I don't yet use FSW... its doesn't have rww :-/

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On 9/21/2017 at 1:15 AM, Anders Bermann said:

Interesting... Have DoveTail Games released an SDK for FSW yet? Before that happens, no development could take place, I assume?

No, the SDK is not officially released, but as proven by the Arrow III and comments from Just Flight and DTG, DTG is working with 3rd party developers to make a solid SDK - before it's officially released.

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9 hours ago, theohall65 said:

No, the SDK is not officially released, but as proven by the Arrow III and comments from Just Flight and DTG, DTG is working with 3rd party developers to make a solid SDK - before it's officially released.

Thanks to both of you for that info. Interesting approach by DTG... 

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I think FSL were one of the developers that stated they would be developing in 64bit only in the future, which makes it more likely that they will develop for FSW as well as P3Dv4, and I suspect more will follow due to the VAS issue in 32bit that hinder highly detailed aircraft and scenery.

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I believe it'd be nice to support this platform with more advanced addons. However as far as I know FSW physics engine is not supporting jets at the moment. Do you know if they're going to extend it? I saw somewhere that they want to focus on GA planes only.

I'd love to see this weather effects in P3D, really amazing job done by implementing true sky option.

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2 hours ago, mike_b31 said:

I believe it'd be nice to support this platform with more advanced addons. However as far as I know FSW physics engine is not supporting jets at the moment. Do you know if they're going to extend it? I saw somewhere that they want to focus on GA planes only.

I'd love to see this weather effects in P3D, really amazing job done by implementing true sky option.

Hi Mike. FSW physics engine is based on Microsoft ESP technology which is constantly being worked on; so I'm sure they can do Jets now... whether they are happy with that is up for debate.

Dovetail's focus now is on GA aircraft, still issues to iron with GA aircraft but they definately want Jets as part of the first release. Stephen Hood has mentioned this on several occasions.

Excited about Flight Sim Labs. Concorde will fly into the (true)SKY once more...

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Jets can be flown in FSW by turning off AccuFeel.  This is set in the dll.xml file in the main FSW directory.  But this is basically turning off physics in order to fly a jet.  Knowing at least one 3rd party is working on a large jet for FSW, how AccuFeel works will have to be updated by FSW, at some point.  

The statement in bold from the Early Access description should provide some indication how DTG feels about the future and what they want the user to be able to do, once the platform is stable.

From in the Early Access description (bolded part by me): 

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How is the full version planned to differ from the Early Access version?

“During Early Access, we plan to roll out additional features, some of which will have an immediate impact on gameplay while others will provide the necessary extensions for future plans. Ultimately, our criteria for leaving the Early Access program is for Flight Sim World to be a stable platform upon which you are able to build the flight experience you want.

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