Carenado c172 G1000

[bpollock 0]

I have heard rumor that the Websimconnect subscription will be $10/yr to continue using it.  From what I understand, the G1000 can switch between “regular” and SVS.  So, if you don’t renew subscription, I assume it reverts back to normal operation.   

Just a guess though.  

[theskyisthelimit 48]

I'm curious.. what is it about the physics model of the Carenado's that many complain about.. something specific?  What lacks (compared to A2A)?  Sounds like this systems modeling might be ok though with the g1000? 

[b1bmsgt 206]

19 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

I'm curious.. what is it about the physics model of the Carenado's that many complain about.. something specific?  What lacks (compared to A2A)?  Sounds like this systems modeling might be ok though with the g1000? 

I have 35 real world hours in the Cherokee 140 (Admittedly, that's from 1975, so my memory may be a bit dim...) but , having flown the A2A Cherokee, I find it much harder to land than I remember the real thing to be. The A2A wants to float and bounce all over the place, while I remember the real thing being fairly easy to plant firmly on the runway, even with a bit of extra airspeed. Could this just be a difference between the 140 and 180, or is it the sim flight model? I also have Carenado's Cherokee and Archer, and they seem a lot more like what I remember.

Thoughts?

 

Russ

[theskyisthelimit 48]

35 minutes ago, b1bmsgt said:

I have 35 real world hours in the Cherokee 140 (Admittedly, that's from 1975, so my memory may be a bit dim...) but , having flown the A2A Cherokee, I find it much harder to land than I remember the real thing to be. The A2A wants to float and bounce all over the place, while I remember the real thing being fairly easy to plant firmly on the runway, even with a bit of extra airspeed. Could this just be a difference between the 140 and 180, or is it the sim flight model? I also have Carenado's Cherokee and Archer, and they seem a lot more like what I remember.

Thoughts?

 

Russ

Ah this is good info.. glad to hear some real world comparisons.. Curious what others would say as well.  And curious thoughts on this particular 172 g1000 (i was considering grabbing this one, but i already have the a2a and the other one for xp11 as well).

[Jim Young 2,356]

I bought the aircraft yesterday.  Are there instructions on how to install SVS?  There are no instructions that came with the installation.  Shouldn't there be instructions on how to operate it?  Or, is this so simple to operate and turn on and off and install that anyone, including those who are beginners in flight simulation, can do?  To be blunt - is there a guide entitled, SVS for Dummies?  I have done some Google searching and have found many YouTube videos showing the technology in real life and in flight simulation.  I also found by accident a directory that might be related in the main P3DV4 folder called WebSimBrowser but see no instructions there too.  I'm sorry for being so dumb but, when I buy a product that has technology like this included, I would expect some type of instruction and information about how much it costs in the future and how to set it up and stuff like that.  I hope I am not asking for too much. 

[simbol 5,819]

20 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

I bought the aircraft yesterday.  Are there instructions on how to install SVS?  There are no instructions that came with the installation.  Shouldn't there be instructions on how to operate it?  Or, is this so simple to operate and turn on and off and install that anyone, including those who are beginners in flight simulation, can do?  To be blunt - is there a guide entitled, SVS for Dummies?  I have done some Google searching and have found many YouTube videos showing the technology in real life and in flight simulation.  I also found by accident a directory that might be related in the main P3DV4 folder called WebSimBrowser but see no instructions there too.  I'm sorry for being so dumb but, when I buy a product that has technology like this included, I would expect some type of instruction and information about how much it costs in the future and how to set it up and stuff like that.  I hope I am not asking for too much. 

This is the sort of things that I hate from flight sim developers, you suppose to create add-on's that anybody can use and install even if they don't have a clue about computers.

You cannot assume that every user is a tech expert.

I hope you get it sorted Jim, I think your best shot is to contact the websimbrowser developer.

All the best,

Simbol 

[N2382R 49]

This thread is all over the place. Let's calm it down a bit gents.

1. The Carenado c172 is a good bird. Documentation is lacking on how to activate/install the SVS. Jim, if you would like help please PM me and I'm more than happy to guide you. That said, if you open the SimObcjets/Airplanes/C172_G1000 (or whatever it's called) folder you'll see a SVS manual that is, at best, a minimum start guide.

2. SVS can in fact be applied to other Carenado G1000s (a la Phenom). I'm not an expert, but from what I gather, someone with beginner experience in XML can add it to any of the Carenado G1000s. Anyone up for the task?

3. WebSim Connect isn't charging anything for SVS at the moment. That said, it's absolutely correct that you can enable or disable SVS. If, whenever that point arrives, there is a subscription involved and you choose not to invest in it, you can fly the aircraft just fine without any loss besides SVS.

4. As a rw pilot and someone who's been in the hobby for over a decade, Carenado is fine. Bugs galore at times, but beautiful aesthetics and adequate immersion for sitting behind a monitor. Frankly, I enjoy this hobby for the ability to relax while still experiencing what I love about flying. The rw stuff is where I get my jollies off with procedure porn.

Alex

[Jim Young 2,356]

2 minutes ago, N2382R said:

this thread is all over the place. Let's calm it down a bit gents.

Isn't this topic about the Carenado C172 G1000 you can purchase at Carenado and is advertised to include "Synthetic Vision System powered by WebSimConnect (1 year subscription INCLUDED)".  I do not see how it is "all over the place" and it seems to me to be on-topic.  Being a forum moderator here at AVSIM it appears to me to be on topic so your comments are strange.  Please be careful with your language when posting here on AVSIM.

Not understanding why the manual is not with the Carenado C172 directory and hidden in the aircraft folder.  Thanks for the info. 

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2 hours ago, theskyisthelimit said:

I'm curious.. what is it about the physics model of the Carenado's that many complain about.. something specific?  What lacks (compared to A2A)?  Sounds like this systems modeling might be ok though with the g1000? 

Without getting too much off topic, I have found that the A2A Commanche is particularly good at simulating sideslips, far better than most flight sim aeroplanes, it has a lot of other nice attributes which are like the real aeroplane too, but since I very often sideslip aeroplanes in real life, I appreciate ones which can do it in a sim.

In comparison, let's take the Alabeo (which is essentially Carenado) PA-38 Piper Tomahawk, which is one of their better aeroplanes. But it cannot be made to spin or sideslip easily at all. This is an important point because when Piper designed the PA-38, its flight characteristics and indeed the interior layout (which is a bit roomier than the competing Cessna 150/2) were as a direct result of consultation with many flying instructors about what they wanted in a training aeroplane; two things instructors asked for above all, were elbow room, and the ability to spin the aircraft so it would make a good training aeroplane. Thus the PA-38 gained the nickname of Terrorhawk, which is unfair, as it is born of fledgling pilots being worried about spinning, which admittedly is sort of scary the first time you do it or at least are preparing to, but of course any decent pilot knows that intentional spins are fun, they give you an appreciation of how to avoid them. So with that in mind, the simulated version of it should really be able to be fairly easily put into a deliberate spin, because the real one can and that is actually its purpose, thus the flight model should reflect that.

Apart from the simulated PA-38 not spinning as easily as its real world counterpart can, I actually like it, but its flight model is not as accurate as it should be for the aforementioned reason.

Back with the Cessna 172 however, although that is sometimes used for training, it is somewhat larger than necessary as a pure training aeroplane and like the PA-38 and the Cessna 150, both of which are getting on a bit these days, the 172 is being eclipsed as a trainer in favour of more fuel efficient modern types, so it's a bit less of a concern as to whether than could be flung into a spin in its simulated form. Really, all it needs to do is climb and descend at the proper power and pitch settings and turn at an accurate rate when following the turn and slip indicator settings, as that is how it should be flown, especially in its G1000 synthetic vision equipped form, since the whole point of that kind of thing is for flying in IMC.

Anyway, I'll be interested to see what people think of the new Cessna from Caranedo, and I hope those who have bought it will have some good comments on the thing and how it suits what they bought it for.

[CFIJose 5,485]

I have come to the realization that Carenado airplanes offer a great value when they go on sale. Most are simply over priced and under maintained.

I wish this model well, but I simply doubt that this G1000 (even with its new bells & whistles) will be anything like the one offered by F1's 182T. It's highly unlikely that the FD & sounds is anywhere near the A2A version, but it's certainly a pretty looking model.

[captain420 3,099]

I already have the Carenado 182T G1000, what's different or better about the G1000 in this plane?

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5 hours ago, captain420 said:

I already have the Carenado 182T G1000, what's different or better about the G1000 in this plane?

Well, it has the SVT (synthetic vision technology) enhancement which can be added to the real Garmin G1000 (and some of the less fancy Garmin avionics systems too), so if you like flying in IMC through mountainous terrain full of other aeroplanes, then it'd be worth having that additional functionality.

When SVT is installed, it gives you a coloured shaded-wireframe vector graphic 3D view of the terrain ahead on one of your PFDs, which can be colour coded to show its elevation in relation to your altitude so it is essentially an artificial pilot's eye view 3D version of the top-down coloured terrain display you can see on the PFD of airliners. SVT also links to the TCAS for anything with a transponder in your immediate forward field and places those other aircraft targets in the 3D display too, so you can avoid other transponder equipped aeroplanes more easily as you will see where they are. Theoretically this means you could take off in complete zero visibility, fly through the Swiss alps at below the height of the many of the peaks in the area, knowing exactly where they all were, and then land at another airport on the other side of those mountains, all without using any other reference or nav aids. So it's a bit like 'artificial VFR' if you like.

Of course you could also do that with a simpler 2D top-down display, you could even do it with a stopwatch a map and a compass providing you knew the windspeed and directions, but the SVT display is a more easily tangible means of displaying the info. So whilst you don't actually need SVT, it's certainly useful technology, however, if it went t*ts up when you were halfway through that mountain range and you were completely relying on it, then you'd be in trouble lol.

[austindk 5]

All opinions are my own but...

Pros:

• Beautiful Model, night lighting is like nothing I've seen before with Carendao
• SVS is silky smooth and very useful for IMC/IFR flying
• The new"er" option of being able to remove the co-pilot (similar to the Mooney)
• Sounds are good
• FDE is not spot on but enjoyable

Cons:

• Performance -- I find this aircraft in particular is very hard on frames. The LITE version doesn't offer much improvement
• SVS was a bit difficult to set up (YMMV)

Overall it is a good step forward for Carenado!

[tjstreak 53]

I have been playing with this plane a lot over the past several days.  I have not even begun to mess with the Synthetic Vision Thing.  That being said, I have had a number of frustrations with the basic G1000.  Forget about SVT, I would just like the damn thing to work right.

Several problems I have encountered:

1.  I cannot save a flight plan.

2.  I cannot enter airways.

3.  There seems to be no way to edit VNAV settings.

4.  I have yet to capture an ILS signal

5.  The course tuning knob does not work.

Maybe I am doing something wrong, but since Carenado does not provide documentation, that is their fault.  I have found other materials on the G1000, and the Carenado version does not follow what appears to be the standard way of doing things.

Carenado seems to do an adequate job with steam gauges, but their glass cockpit stuff leaves a lot to be desired.

I am thinking I might be better off using the default C170 with the Mindstar G1000.  I think I will try that again next.  While the default models aren't as pretty, they at least are functional.  Carenado aircraft are sort ol like dealing with a dumb blonde -- nice to look at, but no substance.

[Jim Young 2,356]

17 hours ago, tjstreak said:

Carenado aircraft are sort ol like dealing with a dumb blonde -- nice to look at, but no substance.

Ouch!

I think the reason Carenado is lacking documentation is because, in FSX, the Learning Center had detailed guidance for using the G1000 and they figured the guidance was already there.  I cannot find the same guidance in the P3D Learning Center.  A G1000 is a G1000 no matter what aircraft it is installed.  I personally can get the course tuning knob to work but the click spots are tiny and difficult to use if you are using a large 34 inch monitor like me.  You pretty much have to bring up the PFD (Shift+1) and make your adjustments.  I did not see those instructions in any of the Carenado guides though so I'm not sure.  There's a lot of guidance on the Internet by searching for FSX G1000.

You cannot save a FPL in the G1000 but, once the FPL is entered, you can bring it up whenever you want it by clicking on FPL.  Never heard of saving a flight plan in the G1000.  It's not like the FMC on a heavy where you can save the flight plans in a folder and call them up again.

By far, using the G1000 in P3D or FSX for any aircraft is a major challenge because of the tiny click spots and the lack of guidance in P3D.  Again, bringing up the G1000 via Shift+1 and then zooming in on it will probably help but that means you will have to pause the flight to make the changes.  I can assure you the Carenado installed G1000 is fully functional and may after 5000 flights using it, you will get the hang to it.   I personally watch a lot of videos on its operation as provided by many in the flight simulation community.

Flight simulation is a constant learning process and to learn how a gauge like the G1000 works is part of the learning process.  Well, you know that.  I'm just here to tell you it works and why it lacks detailed instructions in any of the guides.  Carenado, like you and me, have to be careful we do not plagiarize as there has been a lot of instruction put out on the Internet on how to make this gadget work properly. 

Hope this helps.