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P3D v4 & the JS-41

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All,

When we have some news to share we will. Currently the status is the same. The development of the B748 and GFO has taken the resources from JS41.

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Not what we wanted to hear but I appreciate the update, at least it's not been binned. Being held up by the somewhat derided and distant GFO certainly does sting though. Guess we remain in limbo (or is it purgatory?) for an indefinite period.

Edited by ckyliu
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It is a real shame, seems a very long time since it went into beta testing (unless I am mistaken in that!).

The PC I had when I was using FSX was not really up to running the J41 and addon scenery together. Was miffed when I switched to FSX-SE that it was not compatible, then when upgrading again and taking the plunge into P3D have been looking forward to its release ever since.😕

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I know absolutely nothing about software development, so my comment is just an uninformed observation not a moan.  When a product goes to Beta doesn't this mean its basically finished, but being tested by a few testers to iron out the last few remaining bugs.  If this is the case wouldn't have been more beneficial to continue this last stage of development and release the product to at least keep the cash flow coming in, then move resources to the larger more time consuming projects.

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That is actually a very complicated subject.  There are many MANY stages of testing what we know as Alpha or Beta.  There are early Alphas, in which in-house testing is starting to barely test the waters of the product in the setting for which it is being designed, in this case the simulator itself.  Then there are early Betas which the basic stuff is done, but more hands on testing is done, usually in house, to start working out the major bugs.

The next part is where a lot of confusion takes place, because a LOT of folks seem to be under some idiotic dilusion that final Beta stages are supposed to be some public event, which it is most certainly not.  In fact, I am usually completely against public betas.  Fortunately, in the flight sim world, we do not have that sort of senseless drama.  Only certain individuals or entities, and sometimes established YouTube streamers, are invited to take part in a Beta in order to bring more folks in a controlled fashion into the testing process, while maintaining control of NDA (Non Disclosure Agreements) and such to start finalizing the product. 

The problem is that when the public gets wind that products are supposedly in final Beta, they are "finished and ready to go", which is DEFINITELY not the case.  Too many people think "beta" means "Exclusive access for a bunch of elitists that get to play with it and tease the public with e-peening before letting the commoners get their hands on it."  I hate that sort of thinking and wish people like that would just get out of gaming, period.

I have seen games where a Beta lasts more than a year.  One game I followed AND Beta tested for - the Beta stages lasted a whole 2 years.  It is a great game, but it was a brand new engine and brand new tech, so there was a LOT of code and weeding out to do before release.

Having been a beta tester for various development platforms for years, I can certainly say that the word "Beta" absolutely and positively does NOT mean the product is finished or even near finished.  It merely means that the product is out of INITIAL development and at a stage where folks can test it in a live environment to start giving feedback to troubleshoot bugs, make changes to balancing issues and physics, and such.

This is why I hate public Betas.  Public Betas do nothing more than attract morons who want early access to the game then gripe and moan because something isn't perfect, as if they are supposed to have a final, polished product, and put a lot of peer pressure on developers to make unnecessary changes to other things, taking their focus of the main point of the Beta, which is finding and troubleshooting actual game breaking issues.

I am NOT the first to say this, and I will not be the last, but I am VERY glad that in the Flight Sim community we do not have Public Betas 🙂

When it comes to major projects like the JS-41, the project being in "beta" could still mean months, if not more, of development still.  I am an avid supporter of "take your time and get it right before release, no matter how long it takes" ... one of the reasons I support and respect PMDG so much, because that is precisely what they do.

Edited by Faelandaea Dravin
Grammatical Corrections. I am definitely NOT a perfect typist.

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I would like to think that the delay will give the PMDG guys time to find a way of getting that original GNS-XLS unit into the P3D version :wink:

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That would be nice but I think it's more wishful thinking on our part. Ah well. Right now I'd just like to get my grubby mitts on the thing!

Edited by ckyliu

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Yes, this plane is top of my wanted list, because I will be able to visit some nice destinations in Scotland (and elsewhere) that are not really suitable for the 737 NGX.

Edited by Christopher Low

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