FSX-MS Took the plunge and got the QW 787 for FSX

[Beardyman 604]

Was always wondering what is in P3D that make people "spoiled" ?

Same AI and ATC as FSX, same ugly default airport as FSX, no weather effects implementation as FSX, same stuttering problems as FSX, same ugly default textures ? Really where P3D is so much better ( apart 64bit of course ) 

Don't get me wrong here, i am also P3D user, but without this hype about this sim :-)

[Nuno Pinto 1,394]

The 787 looks great. Actually, the cockpit looks awesome, can't wait to fly it when its P3D time comes. QW is raising up their bar and i'm more than happy to support them. Great job.

 

28 minutes ago, Beardyman said:

 Really where P3D is so much better ( apart 64bit of course )

Version 4 is way way faster than any other version available (FSX/V3/SE). It looks like you purchased a whole new computer when you install and run it.

[thibodba57 462]

8 hours ago, Boomer said:

On the fence about a FSX purchase as funds are limited...awaiting more user feedback.

Just go for it that includes anyone that is waiting for the P3Dv4 version.  Flight1 offers a 30-Day money back guarantee.  So if it doesn’t work out or you decide you don’t want to pay for both versions after about a month just return it.  

QW also announced at the very least on Facebook of discounts for P3D upgrade price as well.

I can’t copy paste the quote because I’m on my phone.  However it stated they will come out with an upgrade price that is fair to us and them.

[Beardyman 604]

"Version 4 is way way faster than any other version available"

Most likely for version 4.5 we will have to pay full price again with no discount - another LM nasty habit.. 

 

Sorry for being off topic 

[Jude Bradley 659]

1 minute ago, Beardyman said:

"Version 4 is way way faster than any other version available"

Most likely for version 4.5 we will have to pay full price again with no discount - another LM nasty habit.. 

Only Major update versions are paid versions, eg: 2.2, 2.3 2.4 are free updates, but version 1 - version 2 to version 3 is a paid update.

 

[WR269 367]

11 hours ago, Boomer said:

Don't see it, link please.

Dont have a link sorry, I got it in the AOA newsletter...

[pete_auau 1,152]

12 hours ago, Boomer said:

Don't see it, link please.

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[spearmint_flyer 579]

Well simply not getting my money until I see a P3D version. FSX is buggy and lacks several features that this aircraft will use. I will just wait. 

[Chock 17,769]

5 hours ago, Beardyman said:

Was always wondering what is in P3D that make people "spoiled" ?

Same AI and ATC as FSX, same ugly default airport as FSX, no weather effects implementation as FSX, same stuttering problems as FSX, same ugly default textures ? Really where P3D is so much better ( apart 64bit of course ) 

Don't get me wrong here, i am also P3D user, but without this hype about this sim :-)

That is true, well almost, and you have nailed it by saying 'apart from 64 bit', in that some versions of P3D by default have a better appearance than FSX by default, i.e. the cloud shadows P3D can do are something it has by default, but of course if you buy Steve's DX10 Fixer and Cloud Shadow addons for FSX (20 quid), you've pretty much made FSX look as good as P3D does, and if you weigh that against having to buy a weather add-on for P3D (probably about 60 quid), then you can see using P3D is gonna be a more expensive game to be playing.

Thus it's not that P3D (and I mean any version, including the most recent V4 with the cloud shadows and other minor tweaks to lighting and texturing) somehow looks vastly better than FSX, because it doesn't really, nor is it anywhere near as inexpensive as FSX either. It is the fact that you can throw every fancy add-on you like at P3D V4 and it might slow it down, but it will never crash it, and that just ain't true with FSX (either the Steam version or the original version), you can have it crash with an VAS OOM error just by adding a fancy plane and an airport scenery sometimes, because it is 32 bit unlike the V4 P3D. It's also worth noting that with P3D loading a little bit more of its work onto other parts of your PC rather than just the CPU, in fairness to any version of P3D, they do tend to run a little bit better FPS-wise than FSX, but it's not a massively noticeable difference.

This is why I never bought P3D V2 or V3, because they simply did not offer any difference worth bothering with in comparison to my souped up FSX. I bought P3D V1 when it came out because I was curious to see if it was any different, and rapidly learned that it ain't really much different and was not worth buying, no version of P3D was worth buying before V4 because they were still 32 bit and so they didn't solve that core problem which FSX is stuck with.

But when the 64 bit V4 version came along, that was worth having for sure, which is why I did get hold of it. But we all know that in many screenshots we see you'd be hard pressed to know whether it was P3D or FSX they were taken in, and I know that is true from having been doing a load of them for a review the other day of an aeroplane which works in both sims and if it wasn't for the menu up top on the screenshot, I would not have known which screenshot was which. But, that won't always be true, because you could tart up the appearance of P3D V4 as much as you liked and it wouldn't crash due to VAS, and that is the difference which makes the switch worth it.

So it's good news to know that this QW B787 is gonna be discounted for P3D buyers if they have bought the FSX version (as I noted on another thread, it makes sense for them to do that because it will mean more sales), and I'll be honest here, it will probably retire as far as FSX is concerned when a P3D V4 version makes it to my hard drive, but FSX itself won't, because it has the PMDG 747-400 on it and the PMDG 737NG and the FSL A320. Now I know I could buy those for P3D V4 (well, apart from the FSL just yet) but flatly I refuse to buy the PMDG 747-400 at full price for P3D v4 when I bought the FSX one a matter of weeks earlier, and I don't give a toss what anyone claims about the two things being different products, the 3D model did not have to be completely rebuilt for the two sims, the textures did not have to have the entire artwork done again for the P3D V4 version, and much of the other work for it would enjoy similar benefits. Of course some work is involved, and I'd be willing to pay a fair price for that, since PMDG's products are undeniably excellent, but I'm not going to have the p*** taken out of me by being charged full wack for things where it is just blatant profiteering. And that is exactly what it is with that PMDG 747-400 for P3D, and I don't care how many people pray at the holy church of PMDG and claim they can do no wrong, or any other developer who indulges in that kind of thing for that matter; it ain't just PMDG, because developers who do that absolutely should be pulled up for doing that kind of thing, and especially when they do it to people who've been loyally keeping them in business for years and singing their praises to also further their sales, as many flight simmers have with many developers.

Anyway, back with the QW 787. It's great fun to fly, and since you are gonna be able to get it cheaper for a second sim, there's really not much reason to not give it a whirl in FSX right now.

[costamesa 88]

6 hours ago, Beardyman said:

Was always wondering what is in P3D that make people "spoiled" ?

Same AI and ATC as FSX, same ugly default airport as FSX, no weather effects implementation as FSX, same stuttering problems as FSX, same ugly default textures ? Really where P3D is so much better ( apart 64bit of course ) 

Don't get me wrong here, i am also P3D user, but without this hype about this sim :-)

It is.... reliable.

[Chock 17,769]

3 minutes ago, costamesa said:

It is.... reliable.

Yup, it'll cost you more money, you can rely on that 

[Boomer 1,619]

3 minutes ago, costamesa said:

It is.... reliable.

64 bit P3D...not one OOM nor CTD yet, since initial install May 2017.

32 bit decrepit FSX had both often.

[Jude Bradley 659]

Yes, it's under the hood, plus DX11 native support (soon to be DX12) which makes the difference, plus a more optimised engine. I tried going back to FSX (steam) and went Uggghh,

[Nuno Pinto 1,394]

Thanks for the insight Alan. This looks like a day one purchase.

[costamesa 88]

1 hour ago, Chock said:

Yup, it'll cost you more money, you can rely on that 

He asked the pros :D