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It seems that X-Plane is becoming very popular. I'm not sure how significant this statistics by Navigraph really are, but at least there are some numbers.

 

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Not totally unexpected, but for me it's notable that FSX and FSX:SE together still hold more than 30%, and that P3D v3 is already down to less that 7%.

The extremely low figures of Aerofly FS2 and FSW might be due to the fact that most of their users are not Navigraph customers, and thus weren't aware of the survey. I wouldn't have known about it, if I hadn't received their newsletter.

 

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This is pretty static. It shows an amount but does does this correlate to previous years / surveys? Is there any data on that. I am not a Navigraph user myself.

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Baring in mind Navigraph is used by a very specific group of users. I think the actual numbers for X-Plane would probably be much higher.

Also noting, that Navigraph data can be used to update the default GPS, whereas the P3D one is for specific addons, so this may also be reflected in the results

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13 minutes ago, Glenn_C said:

This is pretty static. It shows an amount but does does this correlate to previous years / surveys? Is there any data on that. I am not a Navigraph user myself.

Sorry, I was focused on the charts only on Facebook. I should have been more careful and provided a link to the whole survey results: http://blog.navigraph.com/post/167492052421/survey-results-prepar3d-x-plane-up-fsx-down

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Last year, we did not pose the question as detailed. At that time, the responses were the following:

  • Microsoft FSX 60%
  • Lockheed Martin Prepar3D 30%
  • Laminar Research X-plane 10%

 

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7 hours ago, tonywob said:

Baring in mind Navigraph is used by a very specific group of users. I think the actual numbers for X-Plane would probably be much higher.

Right, not everyone is using Navigraph (I'm not), so this data isn't relevant for the overall sim market.

The recent usage data update at the Laminar dev blog, which captures all users and not just a special interest group, says 64% of all flights are made with default Laminar aircraft and not add-ons. For flight controls, 23% of users are flying with a mouse.

So probably at least half, and probably more, of the XP user base probably isn't using Navigraph updates. And there are others like me flying add-on aircraft with full flight controls that don't need Navigraph updates for the way we fly. 

There was a survey in the FSEconomy forums earlier this year that showed a growing shift to XP from former FSX/P3D users, but that's also a fairly narrow slice of the user base that doesn't cover the "casual" market. 

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17 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

which captures all users and not just a special interest group

Can't you opt out of sending data to laminar?

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24 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

Right, not everyone is using Navigraph (I'm not), so this data isn't relevant for the overall sim market.

Yes, the title of the post is a bit misleading. This is not a measure of flight sim platform marketshare. The data measures only Navigraph users.

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24 minutes ago, sizziano said:

Can't you opt out of sending data to laminar?

Yes, it's a checkbox on one of the setting menus. IIRC, it's on by default, and I doubt many people change it after reading that it only sends anonymous usage data.

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42 minutes ago, Henry Street said:

Yes, the title of the post is a bit misleading. This is not a measure of flight sim platform marketshare. The data measures only Navigraph users.

Yes, this popped out as a pretty big flaw right away, if looking for numbers on the overall market.

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25 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Yes, this popped out as a pretty big flaw right away, if looking for numbers on the overall market.

True, but that probably implies that the actual numbers for the overall market are even more in favor of X-Plane (compared to FSX/P3D), since I presume the vast majority of Navigraph users are IFR/airliners buffs, where P3D/FSX is way stronger that the other sims. I've been surprised to read that over 20% of navigraph users use X-Plane.

Of course this applies even more to AeroflyFS/FSW, where the airliner crowd is nonexistent.

 

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1 hour ago, Henry Street said:

Yes, the title of the post is a bit misleading. This is not a measure of flight sim platform marketshare. The data measures only Navigraph users.

Which is impressive since XP11 rose by double.  And that's basically only people who fly airliners - because I can't think of many GA addons that use navigraph, except I guess the default GNS530/430 or default data.

Avsim usually does a huge survey and doesn't Laminar or .Org do one?  

I've been simming for 25 years looking at the release of FS5.0 lol!  I just can't shake this genre - I've gotten bored a few times but it's amazing what you can do!

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Google offers a good statistical tool too. Here is the global trend from two years ago up to now:

https://trends.google.ch/trends/explore?date=2015-11-17 2017-11-16&q=%2Fm%2F0238h5,%2Fm%2F0dwp83,%2Fm%2F0j9mhpy

and the past week:

https://trends.google.ch/trends/explore?date=now 7-d&q=%2Fm%2F0238h5,%2Fm%2F0dwp83,%2Fm%2F0j9mhpy

Of course, every statistical tool has it's limits and requires interpretation, especially when comparing products. But X-Plane's progression in itself is impressive.

Interesting, isn't it ?

Cheers,

Pascal

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Ryan, you're a pretty good example. You used FSX, now you use P3D/X-Plane. We're all curious about your thoughts?

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12 minutes ago, tonywob said:

Ryan, you're a pretty good example. You used FSX, now you use P3D/X-Plane. We're all curious about your thoughts?

Haha that's a loaded question!

Being that I've been simming for so long, generally the sims have gotten better each release.  I did indeed use FSX from 2006 till roughly 2012.  I then used P3D v2, and XP10 together.  I had a heck of time getting into XP10 - the controls setup was half the battle.  Goran helped me out with settings and after I found how powerful it was I was hooked.  The release of XP11 stole me away from P3D v3 (at the time) - I think XP11 is a fine sim, with some obvious annoyances/limitations (SEASONS and Wx depiction, an AI traffic but getting better with 3rd party addons).  I basically quit P3D when XP11 was stable.  Then when P3D v4 came out, and my OOM misery no more, I started using it again.  I still have the same PC (but with a GTX 970 up from a 570), and XP11 does ok, even with 8GB ram.  P3D is actually sort of rough on my rig but I run Orbx with lots of payware.  For the time being I bet I run P3D v4 and XP11.10b an equal amount of time.  Recently I've installed the Reality XP GTN and GNS units in both P3D and XP11 - and have been tinkering with them (way too much lol).

I fly on Pilot Edge (online service) often and I typically just swap sims after landing at a destination, and making the next leg in the other sim.  I've invested some serious moola into both platforms.  I've come to enjoy both!  P3D v4 is the way FSX was supposed to be, and XP11 is the way a true simulator should be.  I think my bias with the MSFS series dating back to FS5.0 has kept me from going fully X Plane.  I continue to have an obsession with posting pretty screenshots of both sims here at the avsim screenshot forum lol

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3 hours ago, Henry Street said:

Yes, the title of the post is a bit misleading. This is not a measure of flight sim platform marketshare. The data measures only Navigraph users.

But you have to admit, most people who are serious about flight simulation probably have a subscription to Navigraph. Other measures like those used by Steam, tend to measure casual flight sim users.

The results in this thread tend to match up pretty well against polls on other flight sim websites, with FSX variants and P3d variants having about equal shares with XP variants just a bit behind. The key point that I see is that the rest of the market shares are insignificant. And 3rd party developers have taken notice.

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P3D is of course popular (on Avsim), but it's not available in general channels (Steam, etc). We have AFS, FSW and X-Plane, and in my opinion, those three sims will be fighting it out in the future. P3D is a specialist sim, not meant for the regular consumer (or gamer). I think the dark horse here is AFS, they may surprise us all.

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Just now, tonywob said:

P3D is of course popular (on Avsim), but it's not available in general channels (Steam, etc). We have AFS, FSW and X-Plane, and in my opinion, those three sims will be fighting it out in the future. P3D is a specialist sim, not meant for the regular consumer (or gamer). I think the dark horse here is AFS, they may surprise us all.

I beg to differ. The market in a year or so from now will probably be equally split between P3d and XP with  less than 10% divided among FSX and the rest of the pack. 

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The hard part is this, what do we base the market share from?. Forums here and Reddit/X-Plane.org are not a good judge, most of us here have been around for years and are loyal to our platforms, but we are a very small percentage of the market. I think you'll be surprised, but check out FB groups, Youtube videos and Steam, lots of people don't even know or care that P3D exists, they can't buy it (It costs too much). Love it or hate it, the future of the platform is not with us old-timers, but gamers and new-comers who buy  these other sims on a whim.

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For me I started with FS98 and actually dipped my toe into X-Plane in 2012. The level D 767 kept me with FSX for so long, then later the NGX and tripple.

I've spent the years since 2012 backwards and forwards however I've noticed that I've been flying X-Plane as my main sim since 2016.

I've got P3Dv4 and this was for a certain aircraft that was released for P3Dv4.1 in October. However the P3Dv4.1 experience hasn't quite done it for me !

When I want to fly it's more a case of what plane do I want - and nearly all of them now are in X-Plane (add on tube liners btw - I've never used default aircraft) 

I think X-Plane also offers superb value for money. I asked a question the other day about setting up defined views in a VC in P3D - answer buy an add on! Hang on what about move your view then ctrl + number and it's saved as we can do in X-Plane. X-P also runs very fluid for me.

Just my 2c - I am hugely great full though for the choice and even more so nowadays, the choice of aircraft.

- Carl

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1 hour ago, jabloomf1230 said:

I beg to differ. The market in a year or so from now will probably be equally split between P3d and XP with  less than 10% divided among FSX and the rest of the pack. 

There is another pretty big gap in this data: DCS.

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7 minutes ago, tonywob said:

We have AFS, FSW and X-Plane, and in my opinion, those three sims will be fighting it out in the future. P3D is a specialist sim, not meant for the regular consumer (or gamer). I think the dark horse here is AFS, they may surprise us all.

The flight sim landscape is fractured again like it was at the end of '90s (MSFS, Flight Unlimited, Fly!, ProPilot...), with the difference that now the development costs are higher (but the customer base is undoubtedly larger as well).

The problem is that each of the current flight sims does a few things much better than all the others, but each of them has important shortcomings as well. This is the reason that there isn't a de facto monopolist anymore, like FSX was.

I think AFS2 shows a lot of potential, but maybe we are underestimating the resources and time needed to go from a basic flight sim to a complete general-purpose flight sim. In the current highly competitive landscape, each competitor won't remain standstill.

 

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