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The Best European Airports for the Queen?

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So which add on European airports are Captains using for our Queen?

It struck me today that we have a superbly detailed simulation of the mighty 747 here. Yet I only have one European add on airport that actually looks like it deserves the Queen of the Skies.....Fly Tampa Schiphol. The "others" all look like fs9 port overs made to work in P3dv4 and re named "mega"?  

I know Flight Beam are all high definition and very worthy, however there is none for Europe. At the moment my eye candy is all USA! KIAD, KDEN, KLAX, KSFO, etc....:cool:

Seemingly the devs are catching up with the 64 bit technology, which opens the door to some super high resolution. It's so nice to fly around Orbx California with high definition add on airports in the Queen of the Skies and not have a VAS worry!:biggrin:

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My impression of the UK2000 scenery is that it is functional (which is more than I can say for the bloated aerosoft mega sceneries) but it is not as good as anything by Flightbeam.  The nicest European airport suitable for the Queen in my opinion is T2G LFPG DeGaulle.  Beautiful..., and also FlyTampa EHAM Schipol.  T2G also has a fine EDDM but it's not really a B744 destination, nor is Aerosoft's EDDF or LIRF in my opinion.  So yeah, basically just Amsterdam and Paris.

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14 minutes ago, Chock said:

UK2000 stuff is currently discounted in a Christmas sale, several airports on that list where the 747 operates:

http://www.uk2000scenery.com/

Thanks Chock, I will take a gander.

I use Orbx, doesn't everyone? But it occurred to me that flying the Queen at FL 380 I don't see much of any scenery, save cloud art! The scenery I do see is my take off and destination airport. So stepping out of a superbly highly detailed simulated aircraft into scenery of a lower resolution seems disappointing! 

Many older sceneries developed for fs9 and FSX were shoe horned into 32 bit VAS space. The devs made compromises with high definition graphics and objects in order for the 32 bit sim to "stay up". 

In P3dv4 we have no such limitations. I hope we can get some of those Flight Beam sceneries in Europe. I looked through a plate glass terminal window and through the reflections saw shopping malls and ATM's!:cool: Unfortunately it wasn't Heathrow, Zurich or Paris. 

Innsbruck lovely...can even stop the Queen on the runway, unfortunately I can't park her anywhere!:ohmy:

Best regards.

 

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4 minutes ago, downscc said:

My impression of the UK2000 scenery is that it is functional (which is more than I can say for the bloated aerosoft mega sceneries) but it is not as good as anything by Flightbeam.  The nicest European airport suitable for the Queen in my opinion is T2G LFPG DeGaulle.  Beautiful..., and also FlyTampa EHAM Schipol.  T2G also has a fine EDDM but it's not really a B744 destination, nor is Aerosoft's EDDF or LIRF in my opinion.  So yeah, basically just Amsterdam and Paris.

I have to agree with you about the "mega" sceneries!:bengong:  I succumbed to Heathrow and Zurich.....Unfortunately these were identical to my FSX/fs9 sceneries, absolutely no improvement, merely able to load in P3dv4. I get nasty flickering artefacts at Heathrow and the Jetways at Zurich remain frozen to the ground! To say a scenery is for P3dv4, I have learned, means sure you can load it, but it's not necessarily been developed with high definition graphics that can really exploit a 64 bit simulator!

I watched the Jetway at Fly Tampa Schiphol connect to the Queen, that flexible cuff actually animates so perfectly it suspended disbelief. Not like some Jetways (when they do move) that ram there way through the fuselage and into the center aisle before stopping!:blink:

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Any airports with long enough runways and large enough parking spots are 747 destinations. What about FlyTampa Copenhagen Kastrup? It should be super detailed like Schiphol.

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11 hours ago, Olympic260 said:

 

Fly Tampa LGAV

Orbx ESSA.

 

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UK2000 Heathrow, Gatwick , Manchester, 

Taxi2gate LFPG Paris 

Flytampa EHAM Schiphol 

More to be added soon.

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Justsim's ELLX for those simulated Cargolux freighter flights.

Agree with the others on Flytampa EHAM and UK2000 EGKK

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If you like a lot of detail and some slightly souped up airports France VFR's Isle de France is worth a look since it adds about 5,000 square miles of photorealistic terrain around Paris, realistic autogen for that entire region sat on top of the phototerrain, including the city of Paris, and some tarted up airports in that region too, about 20 airports in total are improved over the default (not to individual airport payware standards, but certainly better than default, giving you a fairly decent LFPG and LFPB as well as making the surrounding region look great), so it's a lot of bang for your bucks. However, it doesn't have night lighting for that region when you put the phototerrain in there, so I'd recommend also adding Taburet's Taburet - Night 3D France installed with it too (currently discounted at FlightSim Store incidentally). See pic below for the result of this combination.

You should be aware however that with all that going on, it can bring even a decent PC to its knees, especially going into either Le Bourget or Charles de Gaulle (not Orly, which could handle a 747, but Orly is for domestic flights only, so 747 flights are unlikely). With all that scenery lighting, autogen, and AI traffic going into three airports in very close proximity to one another (Orly, de Gaulle and Le Bourget), it'll really let you know whether your hardware is up to the task, but you will be hard pressed to find a more visually pleasing experience in P3D:

cwyENIM.png

 

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UK2000 East Midlands here :cool: . Just bought EGGP and EGLL yesterday - early present from one of my friends! :cool:

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5 hours ago, Chock said:

 (not Orly, which could handle a 747, but Orly is for domestic flights only, so 747 flights are unlikely).

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Actualy Corsair serves ORY to (MRU) Mauritius and  ORY to (RUN) Saint Denis de la Reunion with the 747-400.

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1 hour ago, soerennielsen said:

Actualy Corsair serves ORY to (MRU) Mauritius and  ORY to (RUN) Saint Denis de la Reunion with the 747-400.

I think the French still regard those as domestic operations in a bit of a colonial hangover, even though they are over water, because Saint-Denis de la Réunion is a Département d’outre-mer, so it is essentially French. However, whereas Mauritius has independence, the French Govt still has a bit of a weed up its @ss about that historically, because Mauritius was the French colonial possession named Île de France taken around the same period as Réunion and originally named Île Bourbon for obvious reasons. The French lost Mauritius to the British in 1810, but it remained largely French-speaking, so they regarded it as spiritually still being part of France.

You can kind of understand why too, because the French actually won the battle of Grand Port which was the Brits' attempt to take Île de France, but the French kicked the British fleet's @ss in that battle, something which is actually commemorated on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris since it is one of the few French naval battles where they bested the Royal Navy. However, the Brits came back with more ships later the same year and that time they successfully took it, thus it was eventually grudgingly ceded to official British control in the Treaty of Paris in 1814, which sorted out the Napoleonic War, and whilst France regained control of many previous territories lost, thanks to that treaty's agreements, including a lot of the Mascarene Islands, the Brits kept Mauritius until 1968, when it gained its independence.

The Brits called it Mauritius, that being an Anglicised version of Maurice, since the Island had been named after Maurits van Oranje, the Dutch head of state when the Dutch took possession of it in 1598, that is until the French took it off them in 1715. So the French beef is that the Brits 'gave it away' to independence, which the French were not inclined to do with similar territories in the region, although it's more of an historical sore than a practical one since the reason all of those countries were fighting over those places was largely for the slave trade and sugar plantations principally made so profitable by those slave workers, thus it's not exactly a very noble period in any of the countries histories involved in that squabble.

Anyway, if you ever get to go there, you'll notice it is unmistakably very French in its legacy since much of the infrastructure was built when the French were in control of it, a bit like lots of places in Vietnam, which the French were also narked off about losing to the Japanese in WW2 and not regaining control after that war.

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1 minute ago, Chock said:

I think the French still regard those as domestic operations in a bit of a colonial hangover, even though they are over water, because Saint-Denis de la Réunion is a Département d’outre-mer. Whereas Mauritius has independence, the French Govt still has a bit of a weed up its @ss about that historically, because Mauritius was the French colonial possession named Île de France taken around the same period as Réunion and originally named Île Bourbon for obvious reasons. The French lost Mauritius to the British in 1810, but it remained largely French-speaking, so they regarded it as spiritually still being part of France.

You can kind of understand why too, because the French actually won the battle of Grand Port which was the Brits' attempt to take Île de France, but the French kicked the British fleet's @ss in that battle, something which is actually commemorated on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris since it is one of the few French naval battles where they bested the Royal Navy. However, the Brits came back with more ships later the same year and that time they successfully took it, thus it was eventually grudgingly ceded to official British control in the Treaty of Paris in 1814, which sorted out the Napoleonic War, and whilst France regained control of many previous territories lost thanks to that treaty including a lot of the Mascarene Islands, the Brits kept Mauritius until 1968 when it gained its independence.

The Brits called it Mauritius, that being an Anglicised version Maurice, since the Island had been named after Maurits van Oranje, the Dutch head of state when the Dutch took possession of it in 1598, that is until the French took it off them in 1715. So the French beef is that the Brits 'gave it away' to independence, which the French were not inclined to do with similar territories in the region, although it's more of an historical sore than a practical one since the reason all of those countries were fighting over those places was largely for the slave trade and sugar plantations principally made so profitable by those slave workers, so it's not exactly a very noble period in any of the countries histories involved in that squabble.

I do not need a lecture of the definition of DOM and TOM and the history of the same. I have been living in France for 36 years.

Fact is that Corsair actually operates the 747-400 out of Orly, international or not, was not the question.

By the way, quite a lot of international flight to other European countries including UK, and North Africa is going out of Orly.

Air France also have scheduled flights to New York from Orly.

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33 minutes ago, Chock said:

I think the French still regard those as domestic operations in a bit of a colonial hangover, even though they are over water, because Saint-Denis de la Réunion is a Département d’outre-mer, so it is essentially French. However, whereas Mauritius has independence, the French Govt still has a bit of a weed up its @ss about that historically, because Mauritius was the French colonial possession named Île de France taken around the same period as Réunion and originally named Île Bourbon for obvious reasons. The French lost Mauritius to the British in 1810, but it remained largely French-speaking, so they regarded it as spiritually still being part of France.

You can kind of understand why too, because the French actually won the battle of Grand Port which was the Brits' attempt to take Île de France, but the French kicked the British fleet's @ss in that battle, something which is actually commemorated on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris since it is one of the few French naval battles where they bested the Royal Navy. However, the Brits came back with more ships later the same year and that time they successfully took it, thus it was eventually grudgingly ceded to official British control in the Treaty of Paris in 1814, which sorted out the Napoleonic War, and whilst France regained control of many previous territories lost, thanks to that treaty's agreements, including a lot of the Mascarene Islands, the Brits kept Mauritius until 1968, when it gained its independence.

The Brits called it Mauritius, that being an Anglicised version of Maurice, since the Island had been named after Maurits van Oranje, the Dutch head of state when the Dutch took possession of it in 1598, that is until the French took it off them in 1715. So the French beef is that the Brits 'gave it away' to independence, which the French were not inclined to do with similar territories in the region, although it's more of an historical sore than a practical one since the reason all of those countries were fighting over those places was largely for the slave trade and sugar plantations principally made so profitable by those slave workers, thus it's not exactly a very noble period in any of the countries histories involved in that squabble.

Anyway, if you ever get to go there, you'll notice it is unmistakably very French in its legacy since much of the infrastructure was built when the French were in control of it, a bit like lots of places in Vietnam, which the French were also narked off about losing to the Japanese in WW2 and not regaining control after that war.

Thanks Chock! That makes interesting pleasant reading on a Sunday evening! Makes my GSE in History look a bit insignificant!:blush:

On you suggestions for the French scenery, sorry I have not herd of that scenery?

Although my system is now 3 years old it's still pretty decent, or so I thought. Today I did a Queen of the Skies flight into FSDT KLAX. The flight was great, untill approach over Los Angeles. I got 6 fps? Whacking the sliders all back left, I got up to 18 and could land. So even with no Oom (which I would get here in v3) the Orbx LA area is a fps killer on my system. So any area that taxes frames is going to destroy my suspension of disbelief!

But what an aircraft! There I was in my Iron Maiden "Book of souls tour" 747, with Bruce Dickinson, descending over Southern California....thinking, I know I am only 5% from the real deal! However, I can't sing a note!:cool:

Best regards.

 

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Just now, charlie130 said:

On you suggestions for the French scenery, sorry I have not herd of that scenery?

France VFR stuff is pretty cool, but I suppose it would depend on how often you are going to make a virtual flight there as to whether you'd want to spend money on it, generally speaking, something like Ultimate Terrain Europe and maybe some payware scenery for Paris CDG might be a better solution for many if they are simply taking a 747 to the French captital. But, if you are interested in going a bit more detailed, there's a good overview of France VFR stuff in this review:

http://www.mutleyshangar.com/reviews/np/vfrf/vfrf.htm

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On 9.12.2017 at 8:47 PM, downscc said:

nor is Aerosoft's EDDF

What else is Frankfurt if not a DLH 747 and A380 hub?? Those few small jumpers? :D Frankfurt is THE airport for heavies in Germany. I‘m with you at Munich, most heavies there are 777 and A330 afaik... 

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Actually the three current main airports in UE where you can see the most 744 are EGLL, EHAM and EDDF since they are the main hub of the BA, LH and KL which are the three european airlines which still have pax (and cargo for KL) services with the 744.

When I'm looking for 744 real flights to reproduce in sim, I hardy find any out of these three airports except some few flights from EGKK with Virgin Atlantic maybe.

Now it depends on what the OP is looking for in his initial request, whether it is a search for nice addons of airports that can accommodate the 744 not taking into account the real 744 flights or the airports which in real has 744 flights.

For the cargo flights, it is more difficult to find the 744 cargo flights since they usually don't all appear on the sites like flightradar24, flightstat or flightaware.

Personnally, I love FlyTampa EHAM and like Aerosoft EDDF pro. I also have UK2000 EGLL but I find the textures quality lower at mid-range settings.

I also love the T2G LFPG and EDDM but there are almost no real 744 flights there (either pax or cargo).

 

 

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7 hours ago, Budbud said:

 

Now it depends on what the OP is looking for in his initial request, whether it is a search for nice addons of airports that can accommodate the 744 not taking into account the real 744 flights or the airports which in real has 744 flights.

Actually both!

Flying the Queen of the Skies I see a different need arise, when it comes to scenery. This aircraft is obviously at the top of the tree when it comes to visual quality and simulation fidelity.

The only two sceneries that really matter to me when flying the 747, are take off airport and destination airport. Those two sceneries are the only things to really look at. Speed, altitude and workload keep me busy on route. Therefore finding airport scenery of an equivalent quality to the Queen, is not all that easy. Low definition airports seem disappointing and quite frankly the Queen looks oddly out of place amongst low definition fs9/FSX port overs. 

FlightBeam/FSDT and Fly Tampa are high on my list!:cool: Other sceneries vary in quality!

Also, it's great to re create actual flight routes. But as the 747 is gradually replaced, it will become used more in my historic flights. (Joins my other Queen of the Skies here, the A2A Connie!)  I agree Heathrow, Schiphol and Frankfurt are the places to meet other 747 types!:biggrin: 

 Speaking of real time, real world, I have recently installed Ultimate Traffic Live. I realise it's "beta" but I would never have thought it. It seemingly reproduces all actual live flights from wherever you are! The traffic "board" is a really nice touch! Compared with UT2 which I used in P3dv3, it's almost invisible to frame rates!

So P3dv4 optimised airports with adequate runways, accommodating gates and the ability to  match the Queen of the Skies, would be just the ticket!

That's the thing with PMDG, they raise the bar. Second best scenery just won't do!

Cheers.

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, charlie130 said:

Actually both!

 

That's the thing with PMDG, they raise the bar. Second best scenery just won't do!

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

I agree. I had never bought airport sceneries before until I bought PMDG NGX. Since then, a lot of 3rd party companies owe their existence to PMDG

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On ‎12‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 4:53 PM, soerennielsen said:

I do not need a lecture of the definition of DOM and TOM and the history of the same. I have been living in France for 36 years.

I appreciated it, honestly. We don't get a lot of this type of history in the States, unless you go looking for it on your own. Our schools are more of the variety that is best reflected by the intro to the movie Team America...

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