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65% of ORBX Customers use P3D

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Hi Folks,

JV just threw out an interesting tidbit on the ORBX forums - 65% of ORBX Customers use P3D - and they would know...

That's a pretty useful piece of information - IMHO...

Regards,
Scott

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Why would you use anything but P3Dv4+ apart from XP that some enjoy.

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Which is more or less consistent with the 54% that Aerosoft has determined in their annual sim survey.

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A bit off topic but BA Virtual showed since the release of the FSL A320 50% of all flights was with it :biggrin: 

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Also this on topic.

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Hi Folks,

Yep - but as opposed to a survey which relies on users being active members of said forum which could skew the result - this is out of their complete customer base - seems a tad more concrete to me... I buy tons of payware - didn't take the AS Survey - yet I'm sure I'm counted in the ORBX number... Granted - they have to be ORBX customers but since I would guess they are one of the largest players in the payware industry - most people who buy payware - probably own an ORBX product or two...

It's certainly a higher number than I thought given the massive presence of FSX on Steam...

Regards,
Scott 

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18 minutes ago, scottb613 said:

It's certainly a higher number than I thought given the massive presence of FSX on Steam...

I would assume that the majority of users of FSX on Steam are not buying add-ons. They use vanilla FSX to play around a little bit. But for payware developers those users who actually buy add-ons are the relevant market. And it seems that based on Aerosoft's and Orbx's data this market is now >50% Prepar3d. In addition, I would assume that the per user spend on add-ons is significantly higher for Prepar3d users than for others. So it absolutly makes sense to focus on this segment of the market.

But I'm sure it won't take long for someone to jump in and claim that FS2004 still has a significant market share... LOL...

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Hi Carlo,

Hah - I'm one of the late comers - I went straight from FS9 to P3Dv3 skipping FSX entirely... LOL - I know what it's like to feel like you're getting left behind - "sorry - we're only supporting FSX from here on out"...

Regards,
Scott

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This user is still using FSX:SE and buying add-ons, just avoiding those addons that will require re-purchasing for P3D. I'll keep using FSX:SE as long as I can until I have a clearer picture of where FSW is going or until the 32-bit performance bites too hard. As far as I can see, this isn't the optimal time to be nailing expensive colours to a new platform, if it can be avoided.

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Am I the only one that doesn't like when all versions of P3D get clumped together in the one category? P3Dv4 is a complete game changer as far as I'm concerned. It's like an entirely new sim, meaning that addons need to be specifically designed for it for best optimisation, and in order to work correctly.

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Nope, I think the 64 bit versions of P3D need counting separately from its previous 32 bit iterations.

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13 minutes ago, nealmac said:

Am I the only one that doesn't like when all versions of P3D get clumped together in the one category? P3Dv4 is a complete game changer as far as I'm concerned. It's like an entirely new sim, meaning that addons need to be specifically designed for it for best optimisation, and in order to work correctly.

P3Dv1 and P3Dv2 are non-existent anymore I guess... and the numbers for P3Dv3 users also seem to be in the single digits. So what you are seeing is pretty much P3Dv4. At least that's how I saw it in other polls (Aerosoft, Level D)

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59 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

Nope, I think the 64 bit versions of P3D need counting separately from its previous 32 bit iterations.

Thank you. I thought it was just me haha.

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50 minutes ago, officercrockey said:

P3Dv1 and P3Dv2 are non-existent anymore I guess... and the numbers for P3Dv3 users also seem to be in the single digits. So what you are seeing is pretty much P3Dv4. At least that's how I saw it in other polls (Aerosoft, Level D)

Yeah it seems you are correct.  i suppose I was just making a general observation. Some development companies market their products as being compatible with P3D. And that's it. No further elaboration.

 

Anyway, first world problems and all that :laugh:

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I'd like to see a graph of highest to lowest selling ORBX sceneries...  Just to get a feel what sceneries are more popular.  Of course FTX Global is pretty much a required component to P3D, but I'd like to see how their airport sceneries fall in popularity I guess.

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Just because 65% of Orbx customers use Prepar3D doesn't me they represent the majority of simmers... just the majority of Orbx customers is all.  Statistics are all totally relative and not even remotely definitive because there is always a human factor that wants to skew the data towards favorable results.

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22 minutes ago, WarpD said:

Just because 65% of Orbx customers use Prepar3D doesn't me they represent the majority of simmers... just the majority of Orbx customers is all.  Statistics are all totally relative and not even remotely definitive because there is always a human factor that wants to skew the data towards favorable results.

Finally some logic.  At first your brain just reads "oh, 65 % of simmers use P3D."  But then you realize that just 65% of Orbx customers use P3D.  A big difference.  

Now the real question!  Do consumers purchase P3D for use of Orbx sceneries (because let's be frank here - OOM's and Orbx go hand in hand)?  Or maybe that many more Orbx simmers are switching to P3D ?

also I don't think I'm going far out on a limb when I say many hardcore simmers own Orbx sceneries.  So perhaps their results are indicative of hardcore simmers moving to P3D (and likely P3D v4).

finally any poll from a forum imo is only targeting hard core simmers.  There are likely hundreds of thousands who own a copy of FSX or FS steam who never touch a forum

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1 hour ago, ryanbatcund said:

There are likely hundreds of thousands who own a copy of FSX or FS steam who never touch a forum

And most of them never touch an add-on. 

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Another interesting usage (sales?) statistic, shared in Aerosoft forum last week, as justification of AN-2 being P3DV4 only;

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Interesting results from the Aerosoft poll, which I think is more representative of the FS community as a whole. XP platform with almost 20% of the market is quite impressive. Of course, I assume this percentage is even higher, considering that just very recently Aerosoft seems to be focusing more on XP releases.

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I am happy overall to upgrade, yet find myself simming a lot less because I have a tight budget, and all my PMDG licenses for all their planes for fsx are not compatible with p3d. I bought one, the 777, for p3d, hoping to buy the 737 sometime early next year. If you have the money, upgrade!

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16 hours ago, SmokeDiddy said:

I'd like to see a graph of highest to lowest selling ORBX sceneries...  Just to get a feel what sceneries are more popular.  Of course FTX Global is pretty much a required component to P3D, but I'd like to see how their airport sceneries fall in popularity I guess.

When I look at VATSIM I gotta asume that LOWI is the top airport :-)

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2 hours ago, tgcbraun said:

Of course, I assume this percentage is even higher, considering that just very recently Aerosoft seems to be focusing more on XP releases.

This is plainly wrong. Aerosoft has been the one single all-round flightsim company (except a few XP-only makers) targeting on XP before all the others jumped train. They made the XP10/11 tin boxes, provided for e.g. German translations of the manual, integrated some of their addons into the tin box and delivered airport and plane addons. They have been marketing it via their flyer as the "Flight simulator of the future" on the title page and on the first pages, ahead of even FSX, for years.

Aerosoft has been disregarding Prepar3d for several years in relation to XP and even been hostile towards it over the first years. If you don't believe me make a glace through their older forums threads which I have been following closely for years. Only now did they discover it's the market leader.

I would clearly state the Aerosoft results are biased towards XP and not against it.

On the other hand, the ORBX figure is certainly biased towards Prepar3d as they promoted it from the very beginning, providing free upgrades over all versions so far, which has been a high level of support encouraging folks to make the switch.

Kind regards, Michael

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Carlo,

 

20 hours ago, carlito777 said:

I would assume that the majority of users of FSX on Steam are not buying add-ons. They use vanilla FSX to play around a little bit. But for payware developers those users who actually buy add-ons are the relevant market. And it seems that based on Aerosoft's and Orbx's data this market is now >50% Prepar3d. In addition, I would assume that the per user spend on add-ons is significantly higher for Prepar3d users than for others. So it absolutly makes sense to focus on this segment of the market.

But I'm sure it won't take long for someone to jump in and claim that FS2004 still has a significant market share... LOL...

Thats me I am afraid. 

I did a survey and the respondents (1) indicated to me that 100 percent of simmers are FS2004.

What makes me wonder is the fact that I have ORBX products for P3Dv4. I do NOT use them because (as I frequently state on this forum and others) I cannot fly using 6 monitors as I can with FS2004. I am therefore automatically contributing to ORBX figures. Not that this matters to me, but, as is frequently stated "statistics can show exactly what someone wants them to show"

What matters is that we individually feel good about what we have purchased. I do not feel badly about paying for ORBX for P3Dv4 as the purchase was an experiment in the first place and that experiment did not really work for me.

I personally believe that (at the moment) there are two really relevant flight sim platforms and they are P3dv4 and Xplane. The others have their devotees and good luck to them. It is all about individual preferences.

There is probably more than one reason for the publication of the ORBX figures but,other than retail advertising, I cannot think of many more. It certainly encourages some people to think that maybe they are on the right or wrong bandwagon and therefore may (or may not) encourage further sales.

I am genuinely feeling that my comments are bordering on trolling here, but everyone has a reason for their preferences.

Mine is monitors and I freely admit that. I would absolutely love to be flying with the big boys on P3Dv4 all the time. FS2004 has some severe disadvantages BUT it does satisfy MY sense of immersion.

Apologies for constant repitition and thanks for listening

Tony

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I can deduce that 99% of ORBX customers sim in FSX/FSX Steam/P3D platforms. :biggrin:

They cater to almost everyone.

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