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1 hour ago, tooting said:

like I said a gimmick  

Boy, do I love gimmicks then. :happy:

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5 hours ago, Peter Webber said:

No. In my area the airport codes are outdated. Still FAJS (Now FAOR) and FADN (Now FALE). Therefore with my updated P3D v4.1 simulator, aircraft will not spawn at these major airports. This was the exact same issue with UT2. So for me there has been no improvement. I have raised this on their forums but the response is that they have to cater for the "default" simulators which still have outdated codes and for us with up to date sims we will have to use the upcoming power pack as a "fix" (as was the case with UT2). So I can't see how this can ever be realistic. I thought this should have been the other way around. Their flight plans are therefore out of date for my area. I am still of the opinion that this product should be fully up to date "out of the box" and not to use old airport codes and flight plans to make it work. So there is nothing "Live" or "Real World" about a flight plan such as "FACT - FAJS" in "my corner" of my simulator world. Not knocking the product. At least I get limited aircraft around other airports (FACT, FAPE, etc). But UT2 gave me exactly what I have now.

 The thing is with this is that most users still have just the default airports and this is what UTL is catering to. For the more advanced sim user the powerpack is being worked on and will become available at some point in the near future (people often forget that the UT2 powerpack didn't come with the original product, it was 3-6 months or more after release). 

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42 minutes ago, Mitch24 said:

Seriously? If it distracts your reading, then simply "scroll down", its not even that annoying, Focus on something else 

Actually it is, at least some of us do think so.
But hey... to each his own. Luckily I have found a simply and very convenient setting in this board:

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Problem solved: :happy:

 

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1 minute ago, Egbert Drenth said:

Actually it is, at least some of us do think so.
But hey... to each his own. Luckily I have found a simply and very convenient setting in this board:

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Problem solved: :happy:

 

Let’s get back on topic before this gets locked:biggrin:

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I‘m really on the fence with this one. I currently own MT6, but I don‘t like the ugly models and the extremely long loading time. However, performance is key for me and performance reports on UT Live are very inconsistent. Some say performance is better, others say it‘s worse. Has anyone actually done a reliable performance comparison?

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Performance is entirely related to whether one takes advantage of a traffic limiter. UTL has one built in. With AIG, MyT 6 etc. one has to use either FSUIPC or another traffic limiter app.

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30 minutes ago, carlito777 said:

 the extremely long loading time. However, performance is key for me and performance reports on UT Live are very inconsistent. Some say performance is better, others say it‘s worse. Has anyone actually done a reliable performance comparison?

 I'm not saying your are complaining here in any way Carlo, but more pointing out that it's rather funny that there are many complaints about missing or a lack of liveries in UTL yet on the flip side the longer load times of MyT 5/6. You simply can't have it both ways, the load times are directly linked to how many liveries you have. 

 It's the same with performance, while UTL models do perform mildly better and also look far better than MyTraffic, it all comes down to how many ai you have in your bubble of traffic. I also often hear of how much better people seem to think the performance is using PSXseecon live traffic, that's 100% simply because there is so much less traffic in the area compared to when using BGL traffic from a custom setup or injected through UTL. 

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While it is true that UTL offers a function that limits your traffic to sustain a defined target FPS set in the configurator, to me, it comes down to the relationship between the number of AI planes and frame rate. With MT5, I have more FPS per plane, and I can use external tools (such as FSUIPC) to limit AI traffic. I am not saying that UTL is a bad product - it has great potential in my opinion. However, the decision to continue using MT5 is just my personal preference.

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I used MT and had limited traffic to 100, I see I can do just the same within UTL.

That would be a good test at say EGLL with distance at 25 miles sitting at a gate

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18 hours ago, tooting said:

All they have done is bought new schedule data from summer 2017 and made the gui look a bit different from ut2.  They have fixed the no traffic over water issue and the reseting of traffic when you use the menu.  Thats it.  Dont be fooled with the `live' tag line it's a gimmick.  Also be aware that the developer did a runner with ut2 narked alot of people off in the (so he won't show his face here)  and all he  has done is just rehashed ut2 with a snazzy 'live' tagline and fixed a couple of issues. He's even been absent from his own products forum again like he did with ut2. 

Tooting,

I am sorry you are not happy with the product and there was a lot more done with the project then what you have stated.  If you followed the beta cycle you would have seen several things have been improved and rewritten since UT2.  The traffic over the water issue has been fixed as well as the resetting the traffic.  Please do your research before posting false facts and read up on the product on what the 'Live' aspect is all about. 

If you have additional questions or something you don't understand with the product, please let me know and I will try to explain it to you as best as possible.

Based on your posts you seem to not be happy with the product. Perhaps its not for you then. As always, if you are not happy with the product, you can get a refund if you purchased it within the last 30 days. 

Thanks!

Jeff Smith
Flight One Software 

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13 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

 The thing is with this is that most users still have just the default airports and this is what UTL is catering to. For the more advanced sim user the powerpack is being worked on and will become available at some point in the near future (people often forget that the UT2 powerpack didn't come with the original product, it was 3-6 months or more after release). 

Yes, that I understand. The point I am trying to make is that the product is being advertised as "up to date" and that is a contradiction if it is using out of date info. The point I'm making is the powerpack should be available for those with "out of date" default airports. I purchased the product assuming it was using proper routes and schedules. And this simply cannot be the case if it is relying on default airports. I'm not knocking the product, I do get limited aircraft, but the advertising is contradictory and misleading.

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Going to pick it up later . Guess MT6 can easliy be disabled via scenery.cfg?

I forgot all about the traffic Limiter option in FSUIPC after switching from V3.4 to V4. Is this now possible to configure inside P3Dv4 or still using the fsuipc.ini ? What is your settings with UTL?

One thing that i havent read in here is anything about the sounds .

I love those immersion engine sounds and I have Traffic3D Sounds installed with MT6 modified for P3Dv4.1. Better than default for sure.

Thanks

Michael Moe

 

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32 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said:

There's a version of Traffic 3D Sounds for UTL.

 

Indeed. I've been using Traffic 3D sounds for P3D3 where installation was a bit tricky. Now, there's a new version for P3D4 which works well with UTLive, installs easily and certainly is an enhancement over the native sounds.

Kind regards, Michael

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48 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said:

There's a version of Traffic 3D Sounds for UTL.

 

Thanks  did not see it :biggrin:

 

Thanks

Michael Moe

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4 hours ago, Michael Moe said:

Michael Moe

Hi Michael,

As discussed earlier in this thread from my own struggle to get UTL working - FSUIPC Traffic Limiter must be set to off or "0" or the UTL traffic will never move... UTL has its own traffic limiter function built in...

Regards,
Scott

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16 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

Performance is entirely related to whether one takes advantage of a traffic limiter. UTL has one built in

I'm not sure that the frame rate target limiter works, though. It didn't seem to do anything for me. With a fairly high slider setting for traffic (same as I used to have in P3D for MT6), a target rate of 20 fps did not seem to help reduce traffic enough at EGLL to get my frame rate above 15! There were 300-400 AI aircraft!

With MT6 I normally have to use the FSUIPC limiter to get that down to less than 100 (80 is what I set) to maintain around 20 fps at EGLL. (I use the Aerosoft one, which is a bit better performaing for me than the UK2000 one, which otherwise I'd prefer).

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13 hours ago, Nyxx said:

I used MT and had limited traffic to 100, I see I can do just the same within UTL.

How? Is that the number to spawn figure? Perhaps I should try that.

I was hoping the frame rate target one would do its job. With the FSUIPC frame rate limit, if the achieved frame rate is higher than the limit set then the AI number limit is ignored. That's what I would like to happen with UTL.

Pete

 

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1 hour ago, Pete Dowson said:

How? Is that the number to spawn figure? Perhaps I should try that.

I was hoping the frame rate target one would do its job. With the FSUIPC frame rate limit, if the achieved frame rate is higher than the limit set then the AI number limit is ignored. That's what I would like to happen with UTL.

Pete

 

Pete I don't have UTL but there is on option on the number of aircraft that spawn the default seems to be 300.

You can set a FPS limit, a height to see ground traffic, a range on the ground and the number of AI's total.

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And to give you another example, I could be wrong but I think  the easyjet flights are mixed together mainline on the Austrian aoc and Swiss on the Swiss aoc.  So assigning Topswiss callsigns to the Swiss flights is impossible.

And also they only have one generic  320 and not the regular 180 sear, and the new ones with what 186 seats or something? Finally Also the wetleased smartlynx 320s is missing. But I could be wrong. 

I'm about to upload the correct winter and next summers easyjet schedules to the library, but guess what without a powerpack they are useless to UT live.  

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Pete given your job, I totally understand your very keen eye and your professionalism on this. I respect that.

But frankly I dont care , personally I just want some AI to bring my airports alive. I've never even look at them that closely.

I simply want to know it will not CDT and what the FPS hit is at around 70% and AI limited to 100 aircraft. Lets say EGLL with and with out UTL, no weather=clear skies.

But as far as the 320 not having the 180 seat. ....well am not at that leave and don't need that level to enjoy it. MT6 was fine for me.

Each to there own.:biggrin: 

Like I said I respect your knowledge but for some its "just" AI adding to the airport being alive.

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There are people who see "the glass" as half-full, those who see it as half-empty and then there are those who see nothing in the glass. That must be a dry and thirsty life.

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2 hours ago, tooting said:

 And also they only have one generic  320 and not the regular 180 sear, and the new ones with what 186 seats or something? Finally Also the wetleased smartlynx 320s is missing. But I could be wrong. 

I'm about to upload the correct winter and next summers easyjet schedules to the library, but guess what without a powerpack they are useless to UT live.  

So you assign some 186 seat and SmartLynx A320's to the fleet if it means that much to you. 

Plans made with UT2 seem to work fine in UTL as there is already a FedEx and UPS package released for UTL here in the library (the same one that was made for UT2) . You add the xml plan file into your AppData\Roaming\Flight One Software\utLive\Schedules and then activate it within UTL. You still need paints to be assigned but it does work.

 Pete, why you don't skip UTL and just use bgl traffic where you have accurate fleet numbers, accurate aircraft assignments, you can choose the altitudes if you want. The only downside is the direct routings, but if you've seen some of the routes assigned in UT2/UTL you would see that they are rarely any better than direct.

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Personally, as long as the correct airline, livery, and aircraft type arrive around the correct time I will be pleased and it is not important to me if the aircraft model has the exact length, engine type, and number of seats. However I do respect Pete's knowledge in this area and appreciate him pointing out the shortcomings and comparisons to UT2.  There has been a large increase in the amount of hype in the marketing of simulator addons lately and it is sometimes hard to figure out what is actually being sold. So don't be so critical of Pete as I think he is doing us all a favor and service.

I am still using MT6 and will probably continue to do so until UTL is further along with updated schedules, liveries, AI Bridge, and Power Pack. I normally would have purchased UTL already to support development efforts but due to the history of the developer abandoning his customers I am holding off until the product is more complete.

Ted

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