Goalie70

Biz jets P3D with good FDE

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Hi all,

¬† It's that time of year again and I'm in the market for a quality biz jet for P3D v3.4. Since purchase 1 year ago today I have flown my PMDG NG for almost 250¬†hours (yes I'm healthy ūüėŹ, play competitive hockey) and have simulated every faluire and situation available. But this year, after getting totally addicted to P1D on YouTube,¬†I want in on some virtual corporate flying. Basically, I'm looking for something with a well modeled flight model and in depth systems. As of right now I'm trying to decide between the Flight1 Citation 510 and the Xtreme Prototypes Learjet 25D. Any ideas on how well the¬†FDE of these jets are modeled? I've also heard nothing but good things about the¬†FSW Lear 35a but, the textures seem to be lacking. I also conduct also my flights on vatsim. So ,¬†Jets that are single pilot certified would be at the top of my list.

Thanks for reading this and Happy Landings

Andrew

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I'm a fan of the Flight 1 Mustang.  And since you are on P3D 3.x, you can fly it now.  Those of us on v4 are waiting for the Mustang to be updated.

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Just now, Greggy_D said:

I'm a fan of the Flight 1 Mustang.  And since you are on P3D 3.x, you can fly it now.  Those of us on v4 are waiting for the Mustang to be updated.

Yeah, I'm more of a pilot¬†than a tweaker/computer guru. I have spent many hours getting it to the¬†optimized settings/tweaks and I don't want to redo all of that. Plus, PTA cost money for v4 ūüėĒ¬†

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Eaglesoft Citation X works in P3D v3 - stellar addon!

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Goalie70,

I have heard that Eaglesoft have discovered P3Dv4 now and have updated. As I do not use that platform I have no evidence to back this up. I have to say though that the Eaglesoft Citation is a truly excellent product, at least for FS2004, and, I should imagine for P3Dv3/FSX/FSX-SE. They are also working, I believe, on the Challenger 604 and if/when that comes out it will be a bloody bewdy (Aussie slang for effin great LOL)

So ... plus one for Ryan Butterworths contribution.

Regards

Tony

 

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8 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

Eaglesoft Citation X works in P3D v3 - stellar addon!

I agree with Ryan. The Eaglesoft Citation X is simply the best biz jet for P3DV3. I have flown it in FS9,FSX and P3DV3.4. I will purchase it again for P3DV4, when it is released.

Greg

 

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Echoing many others here, the F1 510 is very good.  If you don't plan to get on P3Dv4 any time soon, you can get it now.  F1 is updating it for V4 and will give discount should you choose to go up.  Or wait a bit to know what's the final multi sim platform they plan for will be in pricing.  The Eaglesoft CitationX is also very good, but the VC is a bit dated.  If you are into classic BizJet the Lear35 25D v2.1 is excellent.  

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11 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

Eaglesoft Citation X works in P3D v3 - stellar addon!

Yeah, I agree. However the VC textures are a bit lacking. 

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9 hours ago, himmelhorse said:

Goalie70,

I have heard that Eaglesoft have discovered P3Dv4 now and have updated. As I do not use that platform I have no evidence to back this up. I have to say though that the Eaglesoft Citation is a truly excellent product, at least for FS2004, and, I should imagine for P3Dv3/FSX/FSX-SE. They are also working, I believe, on the Challenger 604 and if/when that comes out it will be a bloody bewdy (Aussie slang for effin great LOL)

So ... plus one for Ryan Butterworths contribution.

Regards

Tony

 

Yes, I've been following the challenger project for about a year now and am really looking forward to its release. I heard ESDG is aiming for the first quarter of 2018. ūüėŹ

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1 hour ago, Goalie70 said:

Yes, I've been following the challenger project for about a year now and am really looking forward to its release. I heard ESDG is aiming for the first quarter of 2018. ūüėŹ

For the CL30?  I doubt that - their c560 is only entering beta now and that's FSX only at the moment 

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Hi Andrew, understood that you are between the 510 and 25D, however let me say that I just bought today the FSW 35A and I must say that the product screenshots are deceiving. I was impressed by the texture work in the VC, the textures are high resolution and very clear. The modeling is very good too. It is not A2A or PMDG but I consider myself picky on visuals and I can certainly say, I will use it with joy. The FSFX immersion package is also a nice extra. 

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44 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

For the CL30?  I doubt that - their c560 is only entering beta now and that's FSX only at the moment 

*CL605 and, yes that's my bad, I was looking at the 560, you were right

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3 minutes ago, Daedalus said:

Hi Andrew, understood that you are between the 510 and 25D, however let me say that I just bought today the FSW 35A and I must say that the product screenshots are deceiving. I was impressed by the texture work in the VC, the textures are very high definition and very clear. The modeling is very good too. It is not A2A or PMDG but I consider myself picky on visuals and I can certainly say, I will use it with joy. The FSFX immersion package is also a nice extra. 

Hi Daedalus,

I just have 3 questions, how does she handle,FDE? Do you fly on vatsim? With the Lear yet? And, what platform are you running? V4?

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1 minute ago, Goalie70 said:

Hi Daedalus,

I just have 3 questions, how does she handle,FDE? Do you fly on vatsim? With the Lear yet? And, what platform are you running? V4?

I'm not a real pilot so I can't say how close to the real is the handling. However I can say that it flies very good. The movement of the plane in respond of the controls is very smooth. Gives me an impression of very well done FDE. The frames are awesome too. Real pilots could better speak for the absolute accuracy. 

I fly on Vatsim, but haven't flown yet with the L35A. I'll have to spend a number of offline hours to learn it. I'm running P3D v4.1 (latest). 

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I've flown both Lears on Pilotedge and vatsim.  They are demanding because no auto throttle and how powerful they are.  And there's no vnav hehe so you have to pay attention to things

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I am new to the sim world and could use some advice.

I have purchased the Eaglesoftdg Citation X 2.0 and wondered what platform to purchase? By mistake, I already purchased the Prepar3D 4v sim.

I have a Windows 10 (64 bit)  8 GB ram, & Intel (R) 10.19.15.4531 video card.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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Xwiz,

Apologies, but this post does not really make sense to me. I am at a loss to understand just what advice you are seeking.

If you have already purchased the Eaglesoft Citation you really should have somewhat of an idea which version you purchased. If it is for P3Dv4 (????) (I question that, because I do not think Eaglesoft have upgraded their aircraft to that platform yet) it will be an excellent aircraft. If, however, you have purchased the FSX version and you have already purchased P3Dv4, you have a small problem as it will not be compatible. If that is indeed the case. I would suggest that you look at buying FSX-SE (steam) as it is the cheapest of the 32bit sims. You can then fly using your new aircraft on that platform until you get really serious with P3Dv4.

Believe me as well, purchasing P3Dv4 is not, and will not ever be, a MISTAKE. It is, by ALL accounts, a superb platform. 

Your next step is to ensure that all add-ons you buy in the future are compatible with that Sim Platform.

Your system specs are also a little vague. 

Win 10 is OK

8gb RAM is okay BUT 16gb is preferable.

I have no idea what your Motherboard, CPU or your GPU is so I cannot comment on that. Ideally some further information would get you some sounder advice.

In the meantime, whilst I believe that English is not your first language, and that this is your first post, you could clarify your query to get better information and advice.

Seasons greetings

Tony Chilcott

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On 12/16/2017 at 0:24 PM, ryanbatcund said:

I've flown both Lears on Pilotedge and vatsim.  They are demanding because no auto throttle and how powerful they are.  And there's no vnav hehe so you have to pay attention to things

Yeah, I love the looks of the XP prototypes 25D but I'm really leaning toward the mustang, I'm purchasing the ESDG CX and GTN 750 after finals this week, and by then will make up my mind if I want the 35, 25, or mustang. Thanks for your input, it's really been helpful 

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Just note the speed of the C510 - it's quite slow.  I think I rarely got over 300 ktas in that.  The king air was faster 

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looking online it says 340 or mach .59 for vmo/mmo.  But if I recall it rarely got that high.  @Gregg_Seipp might be able to tell you more. I think he did a nice mod to help it get up to speed

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20 hours ago, Xwiz said:

I am new to the sim world and could use some advice.

I have purchased the Eaglesoftdg Citation X 2.0 and wondered what platform to purchase? By mistake, I already purchased the Prepar3D 4v sim.

I have a Windows 10 (64 bit)  8 GB ram, & Intel (R) 10.19.15.4531 video card.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks!

We suggest FSX Boxed, FSX Steam, or P3DV3 as they represent current 32 Bit Platforms. All three can be run with one purchase and we think you will like the FDE.

CX 2.0 will not be made compatible for P3DV4 as that is reserved for the, yet to be, CXG4 in the Generation Four Catalog.

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4 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

Just note the speed of the C510 - it's quite slow.  I think I rarely got over 300 ktas in that.  The king air was faster 

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looking online it says 340 or mach .59 for vmo/mmo.  But if I recall it rarely got that high.  @Gregg_Seipp might be able to tell you more. I think he did a nice mod to help it get up to speed

It flies at higher speeds with higher weights at lower flight levels, probably best between FL250-350 with decent fuel economy (600 lbs an hour) at the top of that range.  If you climb to FL410 and take off at max takeoff weight (8545 lbs) (fuel burn around 300 lbs to altitude), your weight will be around 8000 lbs and speed will be around 300 KTAS at ISA.  Speed will increase as your weight comes down, reaching 340 KTAS somewhere around 7500 ish....about an hour of cruise (fuel burn 500 lbs per hour at high altitude cruse). 

EDIT:  The modded FDE will get the airplane up to altitude much closer to the book times than the original FDE.  It also flies more accurately with given throttle at lower altitudes and holds the ILS better as well.  A number of other fixes including idle thrust, flaps, landing hardness.

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6 hours ago, Goalie70 said:

then will make up my mind if I want the 35, 25, or mustang. Thanks for your input, it's really been helpful 

I have all three and would respectfully suggest the Xtreme Prototypes GLJ25 is far superior!

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On 16/12/2017 at 5:07 PM, ryanbatcund said:

their c560 is only entering beta now and that's FSX only at the moment 

Ryan. This was said in a thread about a week ago. I read Ed correct it promptly to say it included P3DV3 ie all 32bit. 

Cheers Dean

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4 hours ago, Dean33 said:

Ryan. This was said in a thread about a week ago. I read Ed correct it promptly to say it included P3DV3 ie all 32bit. 

Cheers Dean

Anybody know what nav data it will use?

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