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I am considering getting either the Flight1 or the Reality XP for my recent purchase of the FSW falcon 50 and to be decided Carenado purchase...probably the Phenom 300, as this will give me a small size / short range and a medium size/long range biz jet.. It seems the GTN750 is needed in both birds to make the navigation process easier..

Now...Flight1 package includes the GTN750 AND the 650 for $64.95. 

The Reality XP package(on sale until 15th Dec)  includes the GTN 750 only for $35.00 and if you want the 650, it will cost an additional $35.00

Do I need to 650? What a/c does this fit in? 

It seems the F1 package is more easily fitted as manufacturers see this as the go-to package and incorporate the ability to easily install. Though, apparently, the XP package also provides their own tools. 

When I see a tutorial for the GTN750, will it apply to either the Flight1 and or the Reality XP?

Anyway, any advice would be appreciated. 

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The actual gauges (F1 and RXP) operate pretty much the same, so from a usability point of view there is little difference.

Given the current sale, the RXP unit looks like a good deal.. unless you want the 650 as well, obviously.

Some aircraft panels (F33 Bonanza, B58 Baron..) do not have space for the GTN 750, so that is where the 650 comes in.  From a pilot's point of view, the 750 is a way nicer unit. (IMHO)

Either way, you'll be happy once you have them installed. :smile:

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23 minutes ago, por930 said:

I am considering getting either the Flight1 or the Reality XP for my recent purchase of the FSW falcon 50 and to be decided Carenado purchase...probably the Phenom 300, as this will give me a small size / short range and a medium size/long range biz jet.. It seems the GTN750 is needed in both birds to make the navigation process easier..

Now...Flight1 package includes the GTN750 AND the 650 for $64.95. 

The Reality XP package(on sale until 15th Dec)  includes the GTN 750 only for $35.00 and if you want the 650, it will cost an additional $35.00

Do I need to 650? What a/c does this fit in? 

It seems the F1 package is more easily fitted as manufacturers see this as the go-to package and incorporate the ability to easily install. Though, apparently, the XP package also provides their own tools. 

When I see a tutorial for the GTN750, will it apply to either the Flight1 and or the Reality XP?

Anyway, any advice would be appreciated. 

They both work well, but for my money RXP is the way to go. It uses a newer version of the Garmin trainer, has advanced features not found on the F1, and uses a much newer set of databases.

The 650 display is only half the size of the 750. If you had a limited space panel, the 650 might be needed, but I prefer the 750 for all my add-ons.

RXP has superb customer support, with their forum hosted right here at AVSIM.

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Hi Bert and Jim, thanks for the great replies. OK, the 650 is for the 'light' aircraft with small dash footprint. Assuming I fly the larger a/c, then the 750 is the version I need. Agree Jim, the RXP has the latest version of database.

OK,, RXP Purchased...Let the journey begin. The Garmin tutorials look great.

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Sorry for jumping in like this, but I am looking at buying the Carenado 340 and noticed they have provded an easy integration of the F1 GTN750. Somewhere in the back off my head I remember reading that RXP provides a way of having their GTN760 on an iPad but I never quite understood how it worked. So, my question is how easy is it to get the RXP GTN750 into the VC of the Carenado 340 and does the iPad solution actually exist or am I dreaming?!

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The newer trainer as the baseline of the RXP version is definitely ideal. If you have access to the real world Garmin databases you can update the full AIRAC + charts. Where as on the F1 GTN you can only upgrade the AIRAC but no charts as they use an older obsolete format of the trainer.

One of the nice things about the F1 version though is lots of companies like Flysimware. Milviz and Carenado provide easy exe batch installer to add the F1 GTN to their airplanes already configured properly for you. On the RXP version it has to be done manually. Or run the F1 integration exe and modify the panel cfgs to change the gauge type to point to the RXP gauges instead.

All in all for convenience of the aircraft retrofit and ease of doing so, I chose F1.

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@American 833 Heavy Hi, Please allow me to clarify a few valid points brought to the discussion.

GTN Software 6.50.1 (what runs both real world units and the latest trainer) is not just about the database.

You may have missed the opportunity to discover nice additions we've been supporting for a while now:

Reality XP is supporting trainer 6.41.x since October 2017.

GTN 6XX/7XX Main Software Version 6.41 contains:

  • Added support for visual approaches which include advisory vertical and horizontal guidance to most runways.
  • Added support for advisory vertical guidance on LNAV approaches in regions without SBAS coverage.
  • Removed pop-up that impeded the creation of user waypoints defined by two radials.
  • Added support for setting transponder emergency squawk code when COM volume knob is pressed and held to activate the emergency COM frequency.

 

Visual approach guidance

Visual approach guidance is now available within the GTN 650/750, which provides advisory vertical guidance in visual flight conditions based on a published glide path angle or a three-degree glideslope from the threshold of the runway, while considering terrain and obstacle clearance. When selecting a visual approach, pilots can choose the runway of intended landing and select vectors for the final approach intercept to assist them in flying a stabilized approach. When a flight plan is loaded, the GTN will also provide a shortcut to optionally load and activate a visual approach when the aircraft is within 5 miles of the destination airport if an approach is not already selected. By utilizing visual approach guidance within the GTN, pilots are provided a more stable descent and precise flight path throughout the approach and landing phases of flight while operating in visual conditions.

LNAV+V approaches without WAAS/SBAS

Pilots operating into airports throughout the world that are not served by WAAS/SBAS can now receive advisory vertical guidance (LNAV+V) while flying LNAV approaches with the GTN 650/750. By taking advantage of the advisory glideslope offered by the GTN, pilots can more easily fly a stabilized descent while flying LNAV approaches.

 

Reality XP is supporting trainer 6.50.x since September 2018.

GTN 6XX/7XX Main Software Version 6.50 contains:

  • Decent VNav.  You can now give waypoints in your flight-plan, vertical altitudes to assist with VNav planning.  Once an arrival or approach is loaded and activated, GTN automatically populates step-down altitudes or any applicable altitude restrictions.  These are overridable if ATC issues something different.
  • You now won't lose your final destination airport when loading and activating an approach - in the flight plan.
  • Forward Looking Terrain Avoidance (FLTA) audible messages: "terrain ahead, pull up", "wire ahead", "five-hundred"
  • Keyboard enhancements (QWERTY)
  • User-defined waypoint as an airport, so terrain alerts are minimized.

Here is a link to 6.50 features in-depth:

https://bruceair.wordpress.com/2018/08/31/new-garmin-gtn-750-features/

 

Reality XP is integrated in 3rd party aircraft

This is an interesting topic: why isn't more aircraft pre-configured with RXP GPS(s)?

First things first: Most aircraft, if not all, can use any gauge in general. This is just how the Prepar3D/FltSim panel system is designed/works.

Second: Any aircraft with 'integration' just means there is a 3D bezel/knob option, and a pre-configured gauge setting.

Having said this, you'd understand it is natural our products not only run with ANY aircraft as a popup window obviously, but also with ANY pre-configured aircraft mostly.

There is one item for which the integration is specific: 3D bezel and knobs embed code to command the gauges. This is 'baked' in the model by the aircraft modeller and can't be changed. However, there are two avenues for this:

1) There is a way to 'intercept' this baked code and 'transform' it live, in the form of an XML gauge you can add to the panel.cfg file. It is further detailed in our forums and once you do it one you'll see how easy it is.

2) You can lobby aircraft vendors and voice your needs! Our product includes and installs all the information and the custom code needed for any third party vendor.

The hardest part for 3rd party vendors is to create the 3D model. Since it is already done only remains to embed the code: this is a 2H work for any seasoned modeller when using our modeldef.xml file. 

Now I'd suggest you lobby your aircraft vendor(s), because honestly there is no reason preventing them to offer you, our mutual customers, the best of their talent with the best of ours.

You might want to follow through one such example here:

 

Reality XP GTN 750/650 Touch is the genuine simulated device users are counting on, whether pilots familiarizing themselves with the workings of the actual equipment or flight simulation enthusiasts navigating the virtual skies with the most complete series of GTN devices.

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added link to 6.50 in-depth
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Addendum: there are 3rd party aircraft vendors already offering pre-configured panels for either or both the Reality XP GTN 750/650 Touch and the Reality GNS 530/430 V2.

Our customers may want to review offerings from A2A and Flysimware.

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