Will Intel design flaw influence P3D performance?

[vortex681 806]

6 hours ago, simbol said:

Incorrect, Mozilla had to provide an emergency patch yesterday to prevent hacks that would allow cyber criminals stealing information via just simply Java script.

Another problem is that what is regard as access to your system is simple achievable by a  cheap trojan via malicious content, link, attachment or similar attacks.

Simbol 

Just like Intel's reaction to this vulnerability that has been around for a long time,  Mozilla can't afford to be seen not to be doing anything about it. Again, they have to allow for the lowest common denominator - the user who has no system protection. Most antivirus apps should prevent malicious scripts running in a browser (Bitdefender certainly does) and, additionally, any links and downloads are scanned when clicked.

[G-RFRY 1,708]

Apple have admitted all MAC`s Phone`s and Pad`s will need to be updated, Spectre is a bigger problem as it affects all chip`s including the one`s coming off the production line now, A Rethink in the design will be needed, What this will mean in future performance of new CPU`s we will have to wait and see.

  

[Reader 2,009]

4 hours ago, martin-w said:

In case anyone hasn't already mentioned this...

Microsoft will be issuing their fix on the 9th January. The day before my birthday, lol.

The update will be: KB4054022

 

Haswell and newer CPU's will receive a smaller performance hit. The higher end the CPU the less it will be affected.

So worst hit will be older than Haswell and lower end CPU's.  

According to Jayz2cents, it's believed that the patch for this will point hackers in the right direction. They may well then try to reverse engineer the patch to get in.

 

 

It would appear that update was released on 8th December 2017.

[martin-w 3,234]

5 minutes ago, nolonger said:

It would appear that update was released on 8th December 2017.

 

Oh right, Jayz2Cents ballsed that up then. 

6:30 into the video...

 

 

[WebMaximus 372]

I still haven't received the fix from MS as far as I can tell.

I'm using Avast which already confirmed they're already supporting the new fix and I even checked I have the correct entry in the registry confirming this. Still, when I check for new updates I get nothing.

Anyone else also using Avast had any better luck?

[martin-w 3,234]

Defender here, no issues as you would expect being an MS AV... but Ai Suite 3 fails to run post patch. 

[WebMaximus 372]

A follow-up on my last post.

Apparently I'm not the only Avast user still waiting for the fix -> https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=212691.0

[falcon7xx 0]

I am looking to do a new computer build and dont know what to do. I was going to buy the i7-8700k but i dont know if i should hold off for right now or if i should buy it or possibly get the Ryzen 7 1800x. Any suggestions?

[Uteman 51]

59 minutes ago, falcon7xx said:

I am looking to do a new computer build and dont know what to do. I was going to buy the i7-8700k but i dont know if i should hold off for right now or if i should buy it or possibly get the Ryzen 7 1800x. Any suggestions?

Wait - As you will have read in the earlier posts all brands of CPU are affected to varying degrees. A new design Intel CPU is estimated to be a year away at this time. It is way to early. The rule is to be careful about what sites you go to and don't download anything unless you and the AV software you are using is absolutely sure the item is safe. The software and firmware updates coming over the next week/s will mitigate the risk.

[falcon7xx 0]

2 minutes ago, Uteman said:

Wait - As you will have read in the earlier posts all brands of CPU are affected to varying degrees. A new design Intel CPU is estimated to be a year away at this time. It is way to early. The rule is to be careful about what sites you go to and don't download anything unless you and the AV software you are using is absolutely sure the item is safe. The software and firmware updates coming over the next week/s will mitigate the risk.

So its worth staying with my current 4 year old system until a new intel CPU comes out?

[Uteman 51]

Knowing the scale of the problem is one thing  (someone mentioned it was identified back in June - partially correct) however that knowledge only alerts me to the severity of the problem most exploit fixes by AV and software companies have a cycle of under 1 month from alert status (excluding known and active hack alerts).

The other aspect is that Intel have stated existing CPUs will be affected to different degrees.

Many people posting on this issue have looked at it purely from their desktop/ home use of the net and computers. The downside for the sites we visit and the cloud itself/ database managers is much much larger and potentially even more disruptive to our home activities if some black hat produces a working exploit in the cloud.

I certainly would wait and live with what you have until the situation has a clear outcome.

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, Uteman said:

The downside for the sites we visit and the cloud itself/ database managers is much much larger and potentially even more disruptive

All databases containing any sensitive information are required to be non-public for PADS/PCI compliance ... web serves and web services however are public.  But if one security infrastructure is in place the risk will be low.

the performance implications are the more damaging worry for servers, especially virtualization which most are.

cheers, Rob

[martin-w 3,234]

https://wccftech.com/intel-patch-meltdown-spectre/?utm_source=traqli&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1722

 

Quote

Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon Measure No Significant Performance Degradation For Vast Majority Of Use-Cases

Quote

Soon after the initial PR, Intel also rolled out statements from 4 of its biggest clients, namely Google, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft, all 4 of whom have stated that they are witnessing little to no impact on the vast majority of their cloud workloads. This still means that there will be significant performance impact on a small minority of use cases, but so far things are starting to look good for the industry in general.

 

[Vaca 2]

Hi all.  Knowing the risks, I used O&O ShutUp10 to stop updates (Windows 10 Home) for a few days until we understand more re: degraded performance, yet not many recent posts re: observations here.   Anybody seeing material performance changes post Windows and BIOS updates?  This  article also suggests not crippling.  https://www.techspot.com/article/1556-meltdown-and-spectre-cpu-performance-windows/

[Uteman 51]

1 hour ago, Vaca said:

Hi all.  Knowing the risks, I used O&O ShutUp10 to stop updates (Windows 10 Home) for a few days until we understand more re: degraded performance, yet not many recent posts re: observations here.   Anybody seeing material performance changes post Windows and BIOS updates?  This  article also suggests not crippling.  https://www.techspot.com/article/1556-meltdown-and-spectre-cpu-performance-windows/

I turned the update block off on Shutup 10 2 days ago and it updated  - no change in performance from it but the AV was a problem for half a day had a fit challenging every activity on the web, after the AV updated it was fine. Big test on performance is when the microcode update comes possibly tomorrow.

Plenty of info in the P3D forum