Superluminal

Alternative to Real Traffic ?

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I've been an avid user and fan of this software for nearly a year now, and I'm blown away by Nico's efforts with PSXseecon, all provided free. Many thanks Nico.

Inside Systems, developers of Real Traffic, has seen fit to increase the cost of a years license from $9.99 (valid April '17) to today's price of $35.99 for six months, equating to an annual subscription of $72.

A 720% increase in price. Kinda jaw-dropping.

I'm concerned that this hike in license cost may drive a lot of otherwise very content PSXseecon users away.

Is there an alternative on the horizon ?

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ahahah typical, when there's no alternative in the market, unless theres any that i dont know!

That tool was my purchase list, now is Real traffic...

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I too will drop,it after my sub runs out. 

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I like PSXSeecontraffic, but really think about not extending my subscrition either. I hate all sorts of subscriptions as these tend to quickly stack up to an uncontrollable amount. I made an exception for Real Traffic as it was low-cost and the idea of PSXSeecontraffic has been really bright.

I am afraid this might mean the end of PSXSeecontraffic as the remaining number of subscribers will not cover the Real Traffic server costs any longer.

Kind regards, Michael

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13 hours ago, Superluminal said:

Is there an alternative on the horizon ?

No there is not.

PSXseeconTraffic + RealTraffic is by far the cheapest combination of programs for real live traffic. Our nearest competitor, AirNav.Systems, charges you 39.95 US Dollar every 3 month and has less functionality.

Note that RealTraffic also allows playback of historical flight data up to 48h into the past, something that was especially added upon request of user Michael (previous post). Also note that PSXseeconTraffic has got some options (upon request) for easy merge with other traffic programs, such as the Floor altitude.

It has cost me at least 2000 hours to develop PSXseeconTraffic, and you get that for free ...

Balthasar, the developer of RealTraffic, is a former pilot with Flight Simulation as a hobby. His company, Inside Systems, is operating in a completely different area then Flight Simulation. He is not making money on RealTraffic, but he does not want to loose money either. The price of RealTraffic is purely cost based. Balt not only has to pay for the real time data sources (you cannot get world wide  real time traffic data for free) but also for the IT processing power he hires in the cloud.

The starting fee of 10 Dollar was a mistake. We had estimated that the market for PSXseeconTraffic + RealTraffic would be much much larger. But at the end of the day, also maybe because it did not want to run on Windows 7, not many people signed up (not even for 10 Dollar...). 

But it is always your decision, no problem.

Kind Regards,

Nico

P.S. I forgot to mention that you also get my supporting programs VMRGenerator and ParkposGenerator for free :-) 

 

 

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I like it and have decided to continue to keep using it. 

Now to just get my AI to work correctly.

blaustern

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I recently considered getting it when I noticed that the pricing had changed. While I don't want to argue whether the new pricing model is right or wrong, I think that the demo option is a bit scarce. 3 times 5 minutes is hardly enough to find out if you enjoy and need this product. Maybe you could offer a more extensive trial which in turn might bring more people to your customer base. 

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1 hour ago, hjsmuc said:

I recently considered getting it when I noticed that the pricing had changed. While I don't want to argue whether the new pricing model is right or wrong, I think that the demo option is a bit scarce. 3 times 5 minutes is hardly enough to find out if you enjoy and need this product. Maybe you could offer a more extensive trial which in turn might bring more people to your customer base. 

Good idea Hans. Could you bring that to the attention of the developer of RealTraffic? His mailadress is at his web site.

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2 minutes ago, kiek said:

Good idea Hans. Could you bring that to the attention of the developer of RealTraffic? His mailadress is at his web site.

Will do right away. Just accidentally clicked on the program's icon and ruined one of my three five minute slots :mellow:

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17 minutes ago, hjsmuc said:

Will do right away. Just accidentally clicked on the program's icon and ruined one of my three five minute slots :mellow:

On second thought:why don't you subscribe for 1 month? Costs you only 10 dollar and then you can test it extensively. One evening to a café or to the movies is more expensive ;-)

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Just now, kiek said:

On second thought:why don't you subscribe for 1 month? Costs you only 10 dollar and then you can test it extensively. One evening to a café or to the movies is more expensive ;-)

Just had the same idea. :biggrin:. Probably that's also what Balthasar thinks. It would still be nice if he offered a little more of a free trial. 

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16 minutes ago, kiek said:

On second thought:why don't you subscribe for 1 month? Costs you only 10 dollar and then you can test it extensively. One evening to a café or to the movies is more expensive ;-)

That's what I did. Rolled the dice for a month, liked it, and have continued to use it. 

blaustern

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10 hours ago, kiek said:

On second thought:why don't you subscribe for 1 month? Costs you only 10 dollar and then you can test it extensively. One evening to a café or to the movies is more expensive ;-)

Exactly what I did...and quickly realized I'd hate to be without it...but then again, that was before the price increase. I have thought about not renewing my current year subscription when it ends, but it will be quite some time before I have to decide. I have to say that I really enjoy the traffic. Another thing I've done with it is plane spotting...setup a view somewhere (like at the tower) on a large airport (KLAX for example), and just watch the aircraft land and take off. For added interest, open up an atc tower or approach channel at the airport where you're plane spotting, and listen to atc of the actual aircraft you're watching. It's free at https://www.liveatc.net/

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7 hours ago, somiller said:

Exactly what I did...and quickly realized I'd hate to be without it.

Yes indeed, it's like smoking cigarettes, you'll become addicted ... ;-)

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2 hours ago, kiek said:

Yes indeed, it's like smoking cigarettes, you'll become addicted ... ;-)

Thanks for the replies Nico - As OP, I just wanted to throw it out there.

I for one will be renewing my subscription when it expires (in 10 days :bengong:) for another year anyway,

as IMHO it's the best solution at this time.

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You got me, I bought a 1 month subscription to find out about the addiction. 

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It's indeed a lot of fun. Just need to find out how I can get rid of the wrong airlines. Dragonair at LFMN is a bit odd. Also, an AF pilot just landed on the taxiway. I guess these things might be related to the interaction between data from RT, PSC and the sim. I'll search for ways to improve this. 

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1 hour ago, hjsmuc said:

 Just need to find out how I can get rid of the wrong airlines. Dragonair at LFMN is a bit odd. Also, an AF pilot just landed on the taxiway. I guess these things might be related to the interaction between data from RT, PSC and the sim. I'll search for ways to improve this. 

If an aircraft incidentally lands besides the runway it is because of incorrect position data coming from the transponder of the aircraft (via RealTraffic to PSXseeconTraffic). This may happen every now and then, no problem. However, if all aircraft land besides the runway your airport add-on is not well designed and does not match the real world. Same holds for the layout of the taxiways.

To get 100% OK livery match you need to install all the airlines and types that visit your home airport, or wherever in the world you want to fly. I have 100% OK at EHAM, it took me quite some time to gather and install all these liveries, but the view I get is awesome. At the moment I have more then 4800 liveries for 700 airlines  and 111 types with more then 17.000 registrations...

Here a dump of my log file about my liveries:

********* AI_liveries.txt summary *********
4801 liveries read from file E:\VMRGenerator\AI_liveries.txt
17377 Registration codes for a livery
generic Boeing liveries for 22 types: B38M B39M B722 B732 B734 B735 B736 B737 B738 B739 B744 B748 B74S B752 B762 B763 B764 B772 B77W B788 B789 DC94 
generic Airbus liveries for 12 types: A310 A318 A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A342 A345 A346 A359 A388 
no generic Embraer liveries
generic Bombardier liveries for 3 types: BCS1 BCS3 CRJX 
no generic ATR liveries
generic Private liveries for 10 types: A148 A320 AT76 B733 B748 B763 BE55 GLF5 PC12 SW4 
700 unique airlines
111 unique aircraft types
Default livery set for aircraft category Heavy, type A306, num liveries: 20
Default livery set for aircraft category Middle, type A148, num liveries: 7
Default livery set for aircraft category Light, type BE55, num liveries: 4
No default livery found for aircraft category Helicopter
****************************************
Nico

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3 minutes ago, kiek said:

if all aircraft land besides the runway your airport add-on is not well designed and does not match the real world. Same holds for the layout of the taxiways.

Not an unknown problem in FSX/P3d.  I design scenery using ADE and the taxiways/runways are occasionally in the wrong location.  

blaustern

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7 minutes ago, kiek said:

To get 100% OK livery match you need to install all the airlines and types that visit your home airport, or wherever in the world you want to fly. I have 100% OK at EHAM, it took me quite some time to gather and install all these liveries, but the view I get is awesome. At the moment I have more then 4800 liveries for 700 airlines  and 111 types with more then 17.000 registrations...

Doesn't this extend the loading time of the sim infintely? I only use the UTLive models at present, but when I added more models from WOAI and MT6 I noticed an extreme loading time. This was long ago, and I never tried it again later, but the sim has to load the models in any case, I think.

Kind regards, Michael  

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28 minutes ago, pmb said:

Doesn't this extend the loading time of the sim infintely? I only use the UTLive models at present, but when I added more models from WOAI and MT6 I noticed an extreme loading time. This was long ago, and I never tried it again later, but the sim has to load the models in any case, I think.

Kind regards, Michael  

Hi Michael,

No, that's not at all a problem here. Note that I don't use WoAI, UTL or MT6 but (well designed?!) liveries from FSPXAI and FAIB and a few others.

Kind regards,

Nico

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Ah, this might make the difference. I think there's a new freeware AI models package to be published soon with native Prepar3d models which I will certainly try.

Kind regards, Michael

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I currently only have UTL and the older MT6 aircraft. Will check out your suggestions, thanks. 

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1 hour ago, kiek said:

To get 100% OK livery match you need to install all the airlines and types that visit your home airport, or wherever in the world you want to fly

What I don't understand is why do I get sometimes a good match of liveries and sometimes not? Today, I saw about 90% of good liveries at LFMN on one occasion and almost zero on another. Same airport, same livery file, same time of the day. What does influence the livery allocation if the livery file stays the same?

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15 hours ago, hjsmuc said:

What I don't understand is why do I get sometimes a good match of liveries and sometimes not? Today, I saw about 90% of good liveries at LFMN on one occasion and almost zero on another. Same airport, same livery file, same time of the day. What does influence the livery allocation if the livery file stays the same?

The livery matching process for life aircraft is described in the Manual in section 4.6.

Fluctuations can happen due to different traffic at different moments in time at the same airport. Please look in the log file at the end of the file for more details what you are missing. That should be consistent.

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