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Study Level Aircraft Addons for P3Dv4

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I'm trying to compile a list of aircraft addons that are "close to study level" or as real as it gets for P3Dv4 (100% compatibility must be assured). Please add to the list if you see something missing, or if any aircraft on the list isn't "study level":

 

Airbus A320 (FSLabs)
Beechcraft B60 Turbine Duke (RealAir)
Boeing 737 (PMDG)
Boeing 747 (PMDG)
Boeing 777 (PMDG)
Bombardier DHC-8 Q400 (Majestic)
Cessna 172 (A2A)
Cessna 182 (A2A)
deHavilland DHC-6 Twin Otter (Aerosoft)
Douglas DC-6 (PMDG)
Lockheed L-049 Constellation (A2A)
Piper PA-24-250 Comanche (A2A)
Piper PA-28-180 Cherokee (A2A)

To be released:

British Aerospace Jetsream 4100 (PMDG)
McDonnell Douglas MD-80 (Leonardo)
 

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I'd say some of JustFlight's latest GA releases are pretty close to study level although not as in-depth as A2A you can still get vapour lock and foul spark plugs.

Also Aerosoft's A320 Professional is in development specifically for x64 and I believe it will represent a step change in simulation depth compared to their current offering.

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VRS Superbug F/A-18E

Ant's T-28 Series is on a study level with Justflight Pipers

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I am not sure how 'study-level' is the Aerosoft's Twin Otter. Maybe someone with real world experience could help on that one.

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19 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

Also Aerosoft's A320 Professional is in development specifically for x64 and I believe it will represent a step change in simulation depth compared to their current offering.

Even  if they raised the bar from what they have to offer at the moment  it will absolutely not be a study level aircraft. Far from it.

They attempt to play down what a study sim is, actually denying such a thing exists, mainly aimed at fslabs a320 because they know it would take them years to  come to the level of what fslabs has to offer now.

Aerosoft aircrafts are aimed at casual simmers or ones that just  want to enjoy nice graphics and ease of use  and don't care too much  about accurate flight dynamics and in depth system fidelity.

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59 minutes ago, simmerhead said:

I'm trying to compile a list of aircraft addons that are "close to study level" or as real as it gets for P3Dv4 (100% compatibility must be assured)...

Bombardier DHC-8 Q400 (Majestic)

 

22 minutes ago, Boomer said:

Majestic Q400

S'okay I missed it within the list initially too

 

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Looks good to me.

Although the Turbine Duke and the Twin Otter are somewhat on the border. Both offer a lot of workarounds to overcome the flawed FS turboprop implementation. But workarounds remain workarounds, they still use the FS base.

The result is not even close to the Majestic Dash8, which entirely bypasses FS. IMHO it`s the only Addon to study Turboprop operation. 

However, it`s as discussable as the term study level itself. I think everyone has his individual border regarding this.

Mike

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42 minutes ago, tamsini said:

Captain Sim 757?

More a medium fidelity afaik.

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28 minutes ago, Boomer said:

More a medium fidelity afaik.

Ah I did not realize that.

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22 minutes ago, tamsini said:

Ah I did not realize that.

And too buggy to be considered at all right now. I don't know if they plan to implement system failures (don't know about past aircraft - this is my first CS).

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I consider a key feature in a study level simulation of an aircraft is the inclusion of faults and authentic results to faults.  Neither the PMDG JS-4100 nor DC-6 are in this category, whereas the 737/747/777 products do satisfy this with comprehensive fault simulations.  Not sure about the other products.  The study level simulation has utility for a professional pilot that needs to prepare for sim checks and that is a segment of the market that PMDG does well with.

I do not mean to detract from the excellent flight dynamics you find in the DC-6 and probably in the A2A products, but they do not fall into the "study sim" category as I understand the category to be defined.

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Not really study level but just a notch below:

Flight1 Kingair B200 (soon P3D v4.1 compatible). The G1000 suite is really good.

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1 hour ago, downscc said:

I do not mean to detract from the excellent flight dynamics you find in the DC-6 and probably in the A2A products, but they do not fall into the "study sim" category as I understand the category to be defined.

I also don't consider the A2A planes study level but the OP did say "or as real as it gets" so I guess they fall into that category. Maybe the OP should add 'study' and/or 'real' to the list of planes so people know which ones are actually study and which ones are also or only as real as it gets. :happy:

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53 minutes ago, downscc said:

I consider a key feature in a study level simulation of an aircraft is the inclusion of faults and authentic results to faults.  Neither the PMDG JS-4100 nor DC-6 are in this category, whereas the 737/747/777 products do satisfy this with comprehensive fault simulations.  Not sure about the other products.  The study level simulation has utility for a professional pilot that needs to prepare for sim checks and that is a segment of the market that PMDG does well with.

I do not mean to detract from the excellent flight dynamics you find in the DC-6 and probably in the A2A products, but they do not fall into the "study sim" category as I understand the category to be defined.

Downcc is 100% correct. This term “study level” , all too often used to describe anything that’s okay or ok+ can only describe an aircraft that includes failures and allows the simulation of abnormals.

 

 

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Study level. (Simulation of abnormals).

1) By a good margin = FSL A320

2)

3)

4) Q400 Training  edition, not yet released.

5) PMDG 737-777-747

 As real as it gets!

In no order,

Leonardo Maddog MD 80 (to come), TDFi 717, CLJ25, A2A, Real air (closed down), Q400 <best in class,

There the ones I've own cannot think of any other Study level, as real as it gets!, Alan (Chock) is the man I think could answer that one really well.

 

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6 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Study level. (Simulation of abnormals).

1) By a good margin = FSL A320

2)

3)

4) Q400 Training  edition, not yet released.

5) PMDG 737-777-747

 As real as it gets!

In no order,

Leonardo Maddog MD 80 (to come), TDFi 717, CLJ25, A2A, Real air (closed down), Q400 <best in class,

 

I almost totally agree. But i would place Leo Maddog in study level definitely

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1 minute ago, lodestar said:

I almost totally agree. But i would place Leo Maddog in study level definitely

Interesting, That would be great, I don't know what amount of abnormals it comes with, really looking forward to it. Would love to know more.

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What are A2A Accusim aircraft missing that keeps them from being considered study aircraft by the above criteria?

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12 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Study level. (Simulation of abnormals).

1) By a good margin = FSL A320

2)

3)

4) Q400 Training  edition, not yet released.

5) PMDG 737-777-747

 As real as it gets!

In no order,

Leonardo Maddog MD 80 (to come), TDFi 717, CLJ25, A2A, Real air (closed down), Q400 <best in class,

There the ones I've own cannot think of any other Study level, as real as it gets!, Alan is the man I think could answer that one really well.

 

Have to disagree with the Q400 here: imho the Pro version of the Q400 definitely is a study level sim. The few options that the Training version brings when it comes to the simulation of things don't make such a huge difference. If the Pro Q400 isn't study level then some of the PMDG ones aren't either imho.

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17 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Interesting, That would be great, I don't know what amount of abnormals it comes with, really looking forward to it. Would love to know more.

Well, even fs9 version has all kind of failures simulated, random and caused by pilot error. You have instructors panel too, failures can be triggered using the panel or you can set them automatically. Automatically was default until the latest FSX version, and was disabled becouse of VATSIM users. if you set it to automatically trigger the failures, random failures can happen(but not realy so often), the most interesting are failures caused by your action - like engine failures if you set too much trust manualy, icing, and many more. Of course you need manulas for this plane, Leonardo Maddog was the first complete study level aircraft for MSFS sims. Systems and Flight Dynamics are out of this world :happy: 

You know i love FSL A320. Maddog is not realy programed in that way, to simulate systems interaction in real time, but anyway, anything you try with this plane from manuals simple works like it should, and it flies beautifully

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