dougfir

No Flight Plan Import Button

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Let me add my voice to the Import flight plan problem.

Windows 10 64, RealityXP GTN750 v 6.41.1 (software 2.4.13.0) with XPlane 11.11 

My problem is not about the flight plan files having the wrong format, it's about not seeing ANY files in the FPLN directory.

I put the sample gfp file in the "C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN\FPLN" folder and then do the sequence Flight Plan | Menu | Catalog | Menu | Import  but all I see are "Delete All" and greyed out "Delete Pending".  I do not see the "Import" button.

I've read all the posts I can find here. I read thru the link for "GTN Flight Plan Import Process ?".

I've set an environment variable to GTNSIMDATA="C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN" 

Still no Import button.

What to try next?

 

John

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Check the Garmin Trainers log file in this folder:

C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Temp

Open it with Notepad and see what your data and bin paths are set to.

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I have no Garmin files at C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Temp.

Where else would it be?

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Never mind, I found the file but it's large. What exactly am I looking for?

The environment variable GTNSIMDATA is not in the file and neither is "FPLN".

 

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Hmm, That's where mine are. The GTN installer and the launcher both write their log files there by default.

Anyway, you can also check the Garmin Trainer registry settings which are located at:

Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Garmin\Trainers

I wouldn't mess with those settings, but the various environment variables listed in the RXP GTN users manual  should alter the registry settings. Personally, there must be a bug in the GTN Trainer 6.4.1.1 installer that for some reason on specific systems the GTN is not looking for the flight plans in the correct folder. RXP will probably have to figure this out.

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1 minute ago, dougfir said:

Never mind, I found the file but it's large. What exactly am I looking for?

The environment variable GTNSIMDATA is not in the file and neither is "FPLN".

 

It should show where the Garmin trainer binary and data folders reside. It's not going to show a subfolder for the flight plan files because that is always off of the main data folder.

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Try putting your flight plans here:

C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN\FPL

Not FPLN

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Thanks for the idea but no go.
I created a new folder "FPL" under C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN and copied the files over.
Still no import button.

There are several logs in the temp folder and all appear to be initial installation logs.
None have any reference to what we're looking for. The closest I guess would be
CommonAppDataFolder = C:\ProgramData\

The registry entries at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Garmin\Trainers"
have values for BinPath, DataPath, DBDataPath,GTNDataPath,LauncherDataPath.

It does not have any entry for "GTNSIMDATA" or anything that points to "C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN\FPLN"

So I added a registry entry:: Name = GTNSIMDATA and Data = C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN

Did not help.

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I'm stumped. It's working for me with 6.4.1.1 and rev 13 so I don't know what else to say except wait until RXP has a chance to look over what's happening.

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Thanks for the try.

Just to confirm:
 you have a folder  C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN\FPLN
 you have an environment variable GTNSIMDATA pointing to that folder
 On the GTN750 in the sim your sequence is FlightPlan | Menu | Catalog | Menu | and then you have an Import button
 
 I just don't see what I'm missing (guess that's an oxymoron)

Hope RXP looks at this topic.
 

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Hi,

"C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN\FPLN" is correct per 6.41.x trainers.

The environment var is not necessary if installed to the default location.

There are some systems which are preventing the trainer to 'read'/'list' the content of the FPLN folder and we're still wondering what causes this.

The only probable cause we're looking at for now is a problem of folder access rights. Maybe your user as read/write access to the folder, but maybe your user doesn't have the 'list' access rights on the parent folder(s)?!?

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Hello,

I am the only user and the administrator of this PC.

I have checked/double checked that I have full control over this folder ("C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN\FPLN" ).

You said "The environment var is not necessary if installed to the default location."

So, I created a new folder: "f:\test\Garmin\Trainers\GTN\FPLN"  and copied the sample gfp files into that location.

I edited the env var GTNSIMDATA to point to "f:\test\Garmin\Trainers\GTN".
 
Still no import button.

Next?
 

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I forgot to mention I edited the registry key I created to point to the new test folder.

So, to recap, we have the environmental var GTNSIMDATA pointing to a folder with full security rights. Same with a registry key of the same name. The folder(s) contain the sample flight plans.

As far as I can tell, the unit works as it should except for that.

I'm running Windows 10 64 bit. 

Ready to debug for you.
 

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Thank you for the additional details. I'm looking into this right now.

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Have you confirmed that v6.41 actually reads and uses the path pointed to by the environmental variable "GTNSIMDATA"?

I have that var set to f:\test\Garmin\Trainers\GTN\ in which there is the folder "FPLN" in which are the sample flight plans and the user.wpt file. That locations has full permissions for all.

This location is not being read by the GTN750.

It should be simple to check your code to see what location is being read.

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Hi and sorry for the delay.

There is a fix in the v2.4.14 we've just released this morning which shall help about this.

Besides, we've also updated the user's manual with an alternate way specifically for the FPLN folder which doesn't require moving the GTN data folder to someplace else, therefore, not requiring using environment variables either.

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On 2/21/2018 at 2:25 PM, RXP said:

Besides, we've also updated the user's manual with an alternate way specifically for the FPLN folder which doesn't require moving the GTN data folder to someplace else, therefore, not requiring using environment variables either.

I used this new method this morning.  The method of creating a folder pointed to by a properly located shortcut.  The method is detailed on page 9 in the revised user's manual (pdf).  It works for me.  My shortcut points to a new subfolder that I created off the folder where my Flight Simulator user files are stored (pln, flt, logbook.bin, and FSUIPC autosave files).  I routinely backup that folder so now doing so will also backup any .gfp files I store in the new subfolder there.

C:\Users\Owner\Flight Simulator X Files\
C:\Users\Owner\Flight Simulator X Files\FPLN\

I  do want to fume a bit here.

First, I had a horrible time locating the newly revised RXP GTN user manual.  I believe I finally located it under Reality XP folders in Program Files (x86).  I copied it to my desktop where I can find it.  Why is it not placed somewhere more intuitive? Like perhaps in Program Data where the example flight plan and user waypoints files are placed?  As I was writing this message I went to look for its location again so I could describe where I found it and I had trouble finding it again!  Users cannot read the manual if they cannot find it!

Next. Why was no warning posted about what this most recent GTN update would do?  Not sure if it was the RXP GTN update or the new Garmin GTN Trainer version installation, but it wiped out my previous FPLN folder that contained my .gfp files, and it also overwrote my NONVOL\sys_nand(x) files, and thus my previously stored flight plans.  And whatever method was used in doing that did not leave tracks in my recycle bin. So no way to recover. This should clearly have been observed and duly pointed out in announcing the update. 

%^^%%$@#$%^&**  !!!!!

 

Edited by fppilot

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3 hours ago, fppilot said:

Why is it not placed somewhere more intuitive?

Hi Frank, 

I'm sorry for the problems you've experienced. The traditional Windows guidelines point to creating a Reality XP program group, and put shortcuts to the application files and programs. Therefore it is quite standard and easy to find:

Start | Reality XP | GTN | User's Manual

NB: 'Start' (menu) is the 'Windows' ORB to the lower left corner.

I'm not found of installers adding bloat to my Windows desktop usually, I'm putting enough shortcuts myself LOL. I'll see if I can add an option in the installer for this though. I know it has been asked a while back, but I've honestly forgotten about this one.

3 hours ago, fppilot said:

Not sure if it was the RXP GTN update or the new Garmin GTN Trainer version installation, but it wiped out my previous FPLN folder that contained my .gfp files, and it also overwrote my NONVOL\sys_nand(x) files

I'm not sure about this one. Usually, when uninstalling a program, or installing a new version over, any user added file shouldn't be deleted: the uninstaller governing both situations is only concerned by its own 'known' files (hence sometimes leftovers).

The RXP installer will never erase these files, so this must have been when upgrading with GTN Trainer v6.41.1

It is very unfortunate and I'm sorry for this to have happened, and I don't think previous GTN installers where erasing user added files. Could this be a bug in their latest installer?

I'll make sure to add a chapter about this in the next revision of the User's Manual, this is a good point.

Edited by RXP

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Hello,

Sorry to reactivate that old topic, but the problem persists for me.

I just installed the GTN750Touch v.2.5.3, with GTN Trainer 6.41, and I use it with the A2A Comanche on P3D v4.1.

Still no way to import a flight plan, either on the trainer or in the aircraft. The "Import" menu never shows for the catalog, only option is to create a new flight plan. Of course i tried all the tricks explained in this thread, using a 'FPLN' link to the actual folder, using environnement variables, etc..., no luck.

Any new idea on the subject?

Cheers,

Gerard.

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Hi Gerard,

can you please show the full path you've created the FPLN folder/link in, and what other files you can find in the folder above the 'FPLN' one?

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Ok,

Here is the path to the directory above FPLN:

C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN

In this directory I have a FPLN directory (containing flight plans, user.wpt) and your pdf:  'GTN Flight Plan and User Waypoint transfer.pdf'

I also tried the option where FPLN is a link to;

"C:\Users\nouzaut\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Files\Garmin\FPLN" where flight plans and user.wpt are stored.

I included the defaut plan (KSLE_KSLE.gfp) and user.wpt, as well as plans created by LittleNavmap, but none shows.

Note that I installed the GTN 750 Touch on the E: drive where I install all my Fltsim stuff. Could it matter ?

Cheers,

Gerard.

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Hi,

the correct folder should also contain other subfolders like 'active', 'resources', 'nonvol'.

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Posted (edited)

Hello,

The directories you mention are in:

E:\Jeux\Garmin\Trainers\ProgramData\GTN.

Probably because I installed the GTN in E:\Jeux ?

So I copied FPLN in that directory, and now the GTN 750 sees it from FltSim!  The Garmin Trainer still does not see it though

The most importatnt is I can use it from FltSIm anyway.

Gérard.

 

Edited by ge01
Double check...

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SOLVED. 
After updating from 2.4.3 to 2.5.6 I too also lost my import button. C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\GTN\FPLN was no longer working even though that's what is indicated on page 9 of the manual. Well somewhere along the line someone changed or a change was made to the directory and the file path has now changed. No wonder you're all frustrated, the manual is incorrect. 

The correct file path should now be C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\Databases\FPLN and not in the GTN folder anymore. After 2 hours of painstakingly fiddling around with this and working with a buddy of mine he was able to figure out the NEW correct path. I hope this helps everyone out. 

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11 hours ago, Dracollin-Kevin said:

was no longer working even though that's what is indicated on page 9 of the manual.

should now be C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Trainers\Databases\FPLN

I'm glad you've got it working, although p9 give the correct path for trainer v6.50, and footnotes for previous trainers?!?!

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