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PMDG 777-200ER for 2018?

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Hi all,

I see a lot of interest, admittedly a little by myself, about the 777-200ER.

Can we please have a statement either way about whether PMDG still intend to make this product? In the initial product release, the intro manual stated the 200er will be coming out months after the initial release. And we have had absolutely no word since. 

It would be sincerely appreciated if we can just have a up to date progress check, either way, whether we will be getting this addon.

As a query, if you don't intend to do the differences in performance, please could we have a 200er visual mod (like you did the 747-8 back in the day).

Thank you in advance,

This is the statement from PMDG on the 200ER on an earlier manual.

https://imgur.com/a/WcZ79

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Yes I remember seeing this! This was one of the reasons I purchased the T7, I was very disappointed with no release of the ER. 

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Lonz

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Hello

This is the one 777 model that I have been waiting for, ever since the original 200LR release then the 300ER.  The promise for these models was is in the original manual, yet with every announcement, there is no mention of the 200ER.

 

The 777LR was always the niche model compared to the 200ER,

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Dan Cushing

 

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I would like to see the -200ER come out as well, much as I enjoy flying the existing 777s.

Mike

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I'd certainly like to see the -200ER, and the lack of one was what stopped me from buying the 777 at all since the -200ER would be the one I'd primarily fly if I were to buy it. I guess we'll see what happens.

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Agreed. I always relied in good faith on that statement that we would one day get the 200ER (insinuated to be not long after initial release in the original manual) - I even printed a full set of real world manuals out ready. That was a few years ago now.

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13 hours ago, aceridgey said:

Hi all,

I see a lot of interest, admittedly a little by myself, about the 777-200ER.

Can we please have a statement either way about whether PMDG still intend to make this product? In the initial product release, the intro manual stated the 200er will be coming out months after the initial release. And we have had absolutely no word since. 

It would be sincerely appreciated if we can just have a up to date progress check, either way, whether we will be getting this addon.

As a query, if you don't intend to do the differences in performance, please could we have a 200er visual mod (like you did the 747-8 back in the day).

Thank you in advance,

This is the statement from PMDG on the 200ER on an earlier manual.

https://imgur.com/a/WcZ79

Alex,

If we do the ER then it will be a fully model with all it's performance characteristics and not a visual model only. We do not intend to release any "visual models" only.

Currently there are no active plans for the 200ER. This does not mean that we have abandoned this project just not in our plans currently.

 

 

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To "clarify" Chris' comment about plans:

All of our devs are currently working on other projects. Official news/updates/plans about products in development, as always, comes from pinned posts by RSR.

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Fair enough. I suppose I'll save my money then and see what happens with the 747-8 and I guess the 737.

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23 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

To "clarify" Chris' comment about plans:

All of our devs are currently working on other projects. Official news/updates/plans about products in development, as always, comes from pinned posts by RSR.

Out of interest. For the amount of development work that went into the 777 project and for a comparatively low development time to release a 200er. Why didn't it get developed with the 300er? 

I believe one if the most popular threads ever on avsim with about the 200ER.

 

Kind regards 

Alex 

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The upside is you can use a 777-200LR for everything you'd use a 200ER for. 

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1 minute ago, aceridgey said:

Out of interest. For the amount of development work that went into the 777 project and for a comparatively low development time to release a 200er. Why didn't it get developed with the 300er?

200LR/F: GE90-110B1
300ER: GE90-115B
200ER: PW 4090, RR 895, and GE90-94B

The performance data task is nothing to write off as a casual one. It's a lot easier to model a single engine type than it is to model three.

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I still struggle to get my head around the concept of not flying the 777 simply because it is an LR and not an ER :huh: There are only ever going to be a small selection of aircraft that are modelled by PMDG at any one time, so compromises need to be made.

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1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

I still struggle to get my head around the concept of not flying the 777 simply because it is an LR and not an ER :huh: There are only ever going to be a small selection of aircraft that are modelled by PMDG at any one time, so compromises need to be made.

Engine choices? The GE90 is NOT the PW4084.

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3 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I still struggle to get my head around the concept of not flying the 777 simply because it is an LR and not an ER :huh: There are only ever going to be a small selection of aircraft that are modelled by PMDG at any one time, so compromises need to be made.

+1
Agreed. I don't get it either... 

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4 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I still struggle to get my head around the concept of not flying the 777 simply because it is an LR and not an ER :huh: There are only ever going to be a small selection of aircraft that are modelled by PMDG at any one time, so compromises need to be made.

 

1 hour ago, Anders Bermann said:

+1
Agreed. I don't get it either... 

 

I think, for some (myself included), it's a realism thing. I look at flightaware for the aircraft I want to fly in the sim and just recreate those flights. So, if I'm flying the 77L, I look for 77L flights. It's a natural "swap" to put a 77L on a 772's flight, but it doesn't feel right to me, especially if the operator doesn't use that type. As an example, UAL flies a ton of 772s, but no 77Ls. I wouldn't swap a 77L into that flight, despite the existence of UAL 77L fictionals. Same with BAW.

In general, I keep it to non-fictional liveries, with the exception of the PMDG House liveried aircraft, and in those cases, I take those wherever I want.

I do realize that it's a bit odd to some, but it's a rule for myself that doesn't really affect anyone else, so I don't find it too egregious.

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For me, the 77L has too much performance for me to feel satisfied with swapping with the 200ER.

 

I predominantly fly BAV and some routes are performance restricted, which will definitely not be the case for the 77L.

I think also with the quantity of 777-200ERs in existence,  I felt it justified that PMDG would at least release an expansion for it, my worry, with a declining fleet, it will never get done, and the 200er never feature in our simulators of any quality.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, aceridgey said:

For me, the 77L has too much performance for me to feel satisfied with swapping with the 200ER.

Yeah, that too. I forgot to loop that angle into my post as well. Good point.

4 minutes ago, aceridgey said:

I think also with the quantity of 777-200ERs in existence,  I felt it justified that PMDG would at least release an expansion for it, my worry, with a declining fleet, it will never get done, and the 200er never feature in our simulators of any quality.

As a matter of personal opinion, in light of my earlier post about my own sim "rules," I would love it if we did a 772.

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51 minutes ago, scandinavian13 said:

As a matter of personal opinion, in light of my earlier post about my own sim "rules," I would love it if we did a 772.

You might be one of those few people here that might convince RSR :D 

double-„might“, but rather you than us :D

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Simulating real world flights is of no interest to me. In fact, every single flight I make with a PMDG aircraft (737/747/777) is with the PMDG House colour scheme. I can understand why ultra realism matters to some people, but I still think that flying the LR is a far better option than not flying anything at all!

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Alex,

You have asked this question a number of times, and the answer has remained the same:  We will, at some point, and we are not in a position to share any information on the topic just yet. 

I recognize that in your world, all factors are completely static, which allows you to remain on the steel rails of your life plan, but PMDG exists in a world that is significantly more dynamic and thus requires quite a bit of open minded creativity with respect to our development schedule and use of resources.

To simplify it a bit:  You have three hours in which to accomplish six tasks but I am only giving you resources to accomplish two tasks, each of which take one hour.  You need to prioritize and continually evaluate your goals and resources in order to maximize output.

On my end, I have a very clear idea of exactly what set of circumstances I am looking for in order to trigger the 200ER work cycle, but I am certainly not going to share any of that information with you because it is constantly evolving and we have seen time and time again how warmly this community reacts to changes that don't suit their personal wants/needs.  (Think of some of your own posts on this same topic, or the many MD-11 demands for P3D or pretty much anything related to XPlane...)

So yes, Alex- thank you for your interest- but please try to understand that we don't just wake up in the morning and chase the next sparkly bangle that goes by the window...

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, rsrandazzo said:

Alex,

[...]

I recognize that in your world, all factors are completely static, which allows you to remain on the steel rails of your life plan, but PMDG exists in a world that is significantly more dynamic and thus requires quite a bit of open minded creativity with respect to our development schedule and use of resources.[...]

 

 

 

Meow.

I feel your reply is a little unfair as I was trying to entice debate and discussion. I don't think it's unfair of me to say that you haven't kept the community updated, and it was implied that we would be waiting months. A small update to say that the 200ER slipped would have been great, rather than ignore the subject completely.

 

I appreciate your response, extremely glad it's still on the cards, would appreciate a little less personal dig though ;)

 

Cheers,

 

Alex

 

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Well, Robert, you should also understand that making statements that sound like promises (I use these words intentionally :P) <<like>> „the js41 will land on your desktops in very short order“ or „we intend to do a xyz shortly after release of...“ will keep people asking for exactly these releases. I understand the reasons why some products become delayed or why there is always a chance that they even get dropped. (and I know the difference between intend and promise :D ) But that‘s a communication thing and playing with words what exactly was written versus what was understood will always keep people sitting on their chairs, some smiling (like me) and some getting angry... PMDG is a master of teasing and PR in the flight sim community/business, but there are always two sides... 

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On ‎4‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 4:00 PM, aceridgey said:

would appreciate a little less personal dig though ;)

That made me double-take as well. 

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On 10/04/2018 at 10:22 PM, Ephedrin said:

Well, Robert, you should also understand that making statements that sound like promises (I use these words intentionally :P) <<like>> „the js41 will land on your desktops in very short order“ or „we intend to do a xyz shortly after release of...“ will keep people asking for exactly these releases. I understand the reasons why some products become delayed or why there is always a chance that they even get dropped. (and I know the difference between intend and promise :D ) But that‘s a communication thing and playing with words what exactly was written versus what was understood will always keep people sitting on their chairs, some smiling (like me) and some getting angry... PMDG is a master of teasing and PR in the flight sim community/business, but there are always two sides... 

I bet that's the reason we never hear about anything and this sentence has been removed.

Still a valid point though.

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