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Hello,

I am really thinking about buying XP11 and the FF A320.  I have a few questions though...

Can you save or does there already exist a "turnaround" state for the FF A320?  Everything I've seen on YT always goes from cold and dark.

And probably my biggest question...the weather in XP.  Is there anything, payware or freeware, that gets rid of sudden weather changes?  I've seen posts where some say this add on or that add on does remove the sudden changes and others where they say we are still stuck with sudden changes.

I would make use of Ortho4XP too.  I would keep this on an external USB drive.  I assume XP is totally fine with scenery existing on external drives?  No performance hit or anything, right?

What about AI traffic for flying online on Vatsim?

I think that's it for now.  I may think of some more later.  Thanks for your answers.

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25 minutes ago, klamal said:

And probably my biggest question...the weather in XP.  Is there anything, payware or freeware, that gets rid of sudden weather changes?  I've seen posts where some say this add on or that add on does remove the sudden changes and others where they say we are still stuck with sudden changes.

That's everybody's biggest question when considering a move or parallel usage.  Sadly, the answer is still no

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x-enviro is what you are looking for in regards of weather. but you should wait until they release version 1.08 because the actual version is not perfect.

 

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Or, regarding weather, wait for HiFiTech's upcoming Active Sky for X-Plane...

Presently my only add-ons for XP11 are the FF A320 and the Toliss A319, and I am fine with default weather in 11.20b3 since specially the FF A320 deals beautifully with the most hysteric aspects of weather modelling in X-Plane, like the overdone turbulence and the way it affects the aircraft, and the outcome of variable winds.

 

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33 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Or, regarding weather, wait for HiFiTech's upcoming Active Sky for X-Plane...

Yeah, this might be what I have to do if I can't be OK with the current system.  I'm not sure yet.

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Just wanted to add that the combination of even default XP11 with this FF A320 Ultimate is, by far, my best experience since I use the sim.

A couple of weeks ago I even bought a P3D monthly license to compare both, but while both are great, each on it's own, I believe the level of detail in the FF is simply remarkable. 

There's this recent thread at the .org: https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/146308-changing-daytime-causes-irs-lost/

whose tittle isn't accurate, but the answers are :-), and show the attention to detail even on this particular aspect of the simulation ( navigation systems ATA34 )...

Then there's the latest videos by BlackBox711, like this one: 

and this series also very good by another active Airbus pilot: 

which you probably already are well aware of...

 

 

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Lots of hope has been put on HiFi and Active Asky regarding weather and people just don't realize both will be coming out (if ever) with ver 1.0 which neither will be perfect.  LOL!!!

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9 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

Lots of hope has been put on HiFi and Active Asky regarding weather and people just don't realize both will be coming out (if ever) with ver 1.0 which neither will be perfect.  LOL!!!

No weather program is perfect, but if they are able to eliminate sudden weather changes and wind shifts through some programming trickery, I'll be onboard the FF Airbus fligthdeck.

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1 minute ago, ErichB said:

but if they are able to eliminate sudden weather changes and wind shifts through some programming trickery

That remains to be seen in v1.0 which I doubt will happen is such early stage.

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1 minute ago, CarlosF said:

That remains to be seen in v1.0 which I doubt will happen is such early stage.

But hopefully, since this is probably the biggest complaint with X-Plane, they will tackle this issue right away and we will see it in v1.0.  Who knows of course.  Remains to be seen.  So I guess right now though, buying XP means having to deal with the weather system yet.  Coming from P3Dv4 w/ ActiveSky, that is the hardest part about wanting to invest yet in XP.  To me, this is the biggest factor that is keeping me from investing time and resources into this platform yet.  In almost every other area, I think XP might be the better platform.  But the darn weather!  :)

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49 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Wow!  That is cool!

49 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Then there's the latest videos by BlackBox711, like this one: 

Yeah, it's these two guys that I've been watching a lot of lately.  It seems like BlackBox has been flying in XP w/ FF more than FSLabs, which I know he did a lot of videos in the past with too.  So that is helping fuel my enthusiasm as well.  :)

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7 minutes ago, klamal said:

buying XP means having to deal with the weather system yet.

There are alternatives like xEnviroment (which is the one I have and Im happy with it) and SkyMax Pro, both have good and bad, but I for one think that if we support the developers instead of bashing or complaining, then eventually will end up with a version that would meets most of our expectations. 

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16 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

That remains to be seen in v1.0 which I doubt will happen is such early stage.

Agree,  but there will be no differentiation from others if they don't manage to accomplish this.  It'll just be another weather program for xplane.  It is the biggest improvement  to have happened to weather programs for P3D

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6 minutes ago, ErichB said:

It is the biggest improvement  to have happened to weather programs for P3D

True,but Im sure those developers went through growing-pains too, the fact that they have improved only shows the positive outcome when people encourage developers by supporting them.

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4 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

I for one think that if we support the developers instead of bashing or complaining, then eventually will end up with a version that would meets most of our expectations. 

We support them by paying for their products.  Once you've paid for the product, you are entitled to an opinion about what the product should reasonably be able to do

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1 minute ago, ErichB said:

We support them by paying for their products.  Once you've paid for the product, you are entitled to an opinion about what the product should reasonably be able to do

Agreed!

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Out of all the weather addons I've used, xEnviro minimizes the sudden weather changes the most. While it isn't 100% perfect, a sudden weather change with xE is somewhat rare rather than a common occurrence as with other weather engines. You can get sudden changes when the weather updates, but you will rarely see sudden changes when moving between areas covered by a specific METAR because of the way xEnviro 'smooths' the weather, bypassing the XP system entirely. It's expensive, but not much more expensive than the next best weather addon, Skymaxxpro and Real Weather Connect (xEnviro comes with visual atmospherics and a weather engine built in, Skymaxxpro is just for visuals and RWC is the weather engine. Also, UltraweatherXP doesn't come with a weather engine). Also, the latest version is 1.07, but you can easily get the much better v1.06 on their website, which is what I'm using right now. Although the release of 1.08 has been delayed due to a personal tragedy, it will be a free update for all existing customers. The only other option at the moment is FSGRW, which I don't have much experience with and it is only a weather engine with no visual updates associated with it.

Finally, with regard to xE there are two big issues, one of which I actually don't see as much of a problem with. The first is that it is only somewhat compatible with weather radars and windshield rain effects for various addon planes. I think that it doesn't work with the A320's weather radar and the windshield rain effect only appears when the xE rain is very heavy. Hopefully, this will be fixed one day with the release of an SDK

The second major problem is that the weather may not always be 100% true to life. This is a serious issue if you're flying online. However, if you're flying solo, as a real pilot I don't see it as much of a problem. From my real world flying experience, the weather is never exactly what METARs and weather forecasts say it will be. Although you can count on getting a reasonable idea of what the weather will be, what it's actually like in the air might be somewhat different than what was reported, requiring you to exercise your pilot skills and adapt to a somewhat uncertain situation. xEnviro weather is just like that: 75% of the time it draws the weather exactly how it's displayed by the METAR, the other 25% of the time there might be variations in wind speed and velocity or cloud cover. This is absolutely a bug, but I like to see it as a feature because honestly it feels a little unrealistic when other weather engines represent sim weather precisely as reported, which simply doesn't happen sometimes in the real world. 

 I wouldn't recommend you wait for Activesky as we only have one very old announcement and absolutely nothing beyond that. If I had to guess they're waiting until XP moves to Vulkan some time later this year so they don't have to redevelop their entire weather engine as soon as its released. 

As for the A320, there isn't a turnaround state but it's very easy to get it going from cold and dark. IIRC the only addon with a 'turnaround' state ATM is the IXEG 737. 

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I've watched Matt Davies' Twitch streams of Xplane 11 of which he has done quite a few lately.  Knowing Matt, he'll always apply the best supporting software to any flight he is doing.(but perhaps it was just default in this case)  Well, the flight I was watching yesterday was an A330 (I think) long haul.  I only caught the wing views. 

From what I saw, the weather changes were abrupt and sudden(completely a deal breaker)  and the aircraft kept yawing to and fro - constantly. Not sure if that's the aircraft flight model or the weather or a bit of both.  But on both counts, that is not what I want to see on a long haul flight,

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45 minutes ago, klamal said:
1 hour ago, jcomm said:

Wow!  That is cool!

That is pretty cool. 

But why would they simulate GPS satellite positions/IRS alignment  and why would that be relevant in a desktop simulation.   There is no scenario in the real world where you would skip time (either forward or backwards),   As far as I'm aware PMDG has accurate IRS alignment modelled, but the IRS doesn't misalign if the time of day is changed.

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1 hour ago, ErichB said:

I've watched Matt Davies' Twitch streams of Xplane 11 of which he has done quite a few lately.  Knowing Matt, he'll always apply the best supporting software to any flight he is doing.(but perhaps it was just default in this case)  Well, the flight I was watching yesterday was an A330 (I think) long haul.  I only caught the wing views. 

From what I saw, the weather changes were abrupt and sudden(completely a deal breaker)  and the aircraft kept yawing to and fro - constantly. Not sure if that's the aircraft flight model or the weather or a bit of both.  But on both counts, that is not what I want to see on a long haul flight,

I tend to believe this is more related to X-Plane's FDM than weather engine itself, although at higher levels we shouldn't find such fast changes in wind direction.

The more I try the FF A320, which uses it's own external FDM the more I'm tempted to believe that indeed, as Murmur for instance once also talked about, it can be related to the way X-Plane calculates some of it's parameters, namely weathervane stability, something we can't directly tweak through PM or Datarefs...

Then there's the rather hysterical way X-plane models turbulence around an aircraft...  All together, and at lower levels specially when the weather reports include variability fields, it's a Bomb! :-)

The FF A320 external FDM deals with this way better than other aircraft that "fly" directly on X-Plane's core FDM, and it's not just a matter of a good implementation of it's FBW / SAS...

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erroneously wrote "should" instead of "shouldn't"
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1 minute ago, ErichB said:

That is pretty cool. 

But why would they simulate GPS satellite positions/IRS alignment  and why would that be relevant in a desktop simulation.   There is no scenario in the real world where you would skip time (either forward or backwards), 

Maybe FF simulate satellite position depending on date/time, and the accuracy of the GPS signal based on that. So it should naturally follow that if you skip time in XP, the simulated satellites skip position as well and the simulated nav system will be influenced as well.

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Just now, Murmur said:

Maybe FF simulate satellite position depending on date/time, and the accuracy of the GPS signal based on that. So it should naturally follow that if you skip time in XP, the simulated satellites skip position as well and the simulated nav system will be influenced as well.

It does, and also affected by obstacles, like when flying bellow mountain tops in approaches through valleys :-)

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14 hours ago, jcomm said:

It does, and also affected by obstacles, like when flying bellow mountain tops in approaches through valleys :-)

Well in contrast,   the performance of conventional radio navigational aids on the FF A320 don't seem to be influenced by obstacles like mountains or even the curvature of earth. 

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On topic of weather updates: 

- it used to be if you entered a different weather station region, the weather would change abruptly, including visibility and cloud cover. My observation in XP11 is that this is not longer true. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have been able to cloud surf on a weather front (going in and out of the clouds), this was not possible in XP10.

- every hour or so (you can change the time in the weather panel) the info from the weather stations is read in again. This sudden weather change is still occuring.

- I stopped using NOAA weather plugin for the previous reason: it would update the complete weather every 15 minutes or so, causing sudden weather changes.

- jcomm is the weather specialist on this forum, but I am not sure he still has x-plane installed during the last hour, maybe ask him again in 2 or 3... ;-) .

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1 hour ago, jh71 said:

- jcomm is the weather specialist on this forum, but I am not sure he still has x-plane installed during the last hour, maybe ask him again in 2 or 3... ;-) .

It's a record jh71, more than 15 days of continuous XP11 install !  Unique, and all thanks to the FF A320 and Toliss A319 ( in no particular order... ) :-)

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