Configuring vectors

[stevenpow 2]

Is there a way to have a pilot2ATC  not vector me off course so that I can fly the full flight plan. I had an issue yesterday where I was at 36,000 feet I just started to  descend  and pilot2ATC vectored me into one straight-line to the approach taking me off course of the flight plan that would have allowed me to get down to 4000 feet where I needed to be needless to say I could not make it to 4000 feet with the straight-line.

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 870]

Do you have the flight plan you were on with the STAR and Approach?  I can have a look to see how to avoid this in the future.

Thanks,

Dave

[stevenpow 2]

Yes Dave as soon as I get home I will send you the flight plan. 

[Pete Dowson 558]

13 hours ago, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

Do you have the flight plan you were on with the STAR and Approach?  I can have a look to see how to avoid this in the future.

This is worrying. I don't understand why it would do this in the first place? Surely you'd only get vectors "direct" if you requested them? Else what is the point of filing a proper flight plan and getting or choosing STAR and Approach?

Pete

 

 

[Gregg_Seipp 568]

57 minutes ago, Pete Dowson said:

This is worrying. I don't understand why it would do this in the first place? Surely you'd only get vectors "direct" if you requested them? Else what is the point of filing a proper flight plan and getting or choosing STAR and Approach?

Pete

Isn't that how they, generally, do it at busy US airports?  I mean, you usually fly part of the STAR but, at some point, you're vectored off the STAR for sequencing.  The trick for the arrival controllers is that they have to consider what is a plausible descent rate for the type of aircraft given how much it shortens the route.  The pilot can only do so much.

Gregg

[stevenpow 2]

Hey  guys I’ve been using this program for over a year now and this is the first time it did something to this degree so I’m sure it’s something either I selected with in the settings or just one of those things that happen once in a while so I don’t really think it’s something that’s a problem and if it is something thats a problem I’m sure Dave will fix it very quickly like he always does so I’m good with that. 

[Gregg_Seipp 568]

44 minutes ago, stevenpow said:

Hey  guys I’ve been using this program for over a year now and this is the first time it did something to this degree so I’m sure it’s something either I selected with in the settings or just one of those things that happen once in a while so I don’t really think it’s something that’s a problem and if it is something thats a problem I’m sure Dave will fix it very quickly like he always does so I’m good with that. 

Agreed, though, I hope the solution is that you always fly the entire STAR.  Aircraft do get vectored and that's realistic.  What he needs to do is do some kind of calculation as to what a reasonable descent rate is and have the software plan accordingly.  Controllers have a pretty good sense for this.

[Pete Dowson 558]

1 hour ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

Isn't that how they, generally, do it at busy US airports?  I mean, you usually fly part of the STAR but, at some point, you're vectored off the STAR for sequencing.

Yes, Europe too. But I'm pretty sure this is certainly after you've got to the STAR, not just when you've started initial descent -- though it depends on your cruise altitude I suppose.  And the vectoring wouldn't normally be direct to the IAF or FAF for the Approach. Often it is even more circuitous than the STAR you were on, in order to get you in line during busy periods. Of course at really busy airports like EGLL you are instead often on a hold doing circuits with gentle descents.

But yes, it would be nice for P2A to occasionally surprise you with a vectored arrival, maybe longer or shorter, descent needs being taken into account in the latter case.

22 minutes ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

Agreed, though, I hope the solution is that you always fly the entire STAR.  Aircraft do get vectored and that's realistic.  What he needs to do is do some kind of calculation as to what a reasonable descent rate is and have the software plan accordingly.

Yes, agreed. :-)

Pete

 

[stevenpow 2]

I probably would not be flying xplane if it weren’t for pilot2ATC, I don’t really fly online and I have tried all of the other ATC programs out there for xplane this program is top notch.  I did spent a good amount on getting the ivona sound voices but it was definitely well worth it   

[vadriver 247]

& all the above did not know you were "talking" about xplane ............... thanks for the "confession" & maybe it's important to mention your "bent" upfront !!

 

[stevenpow 2]

12 minutes ago, vadriver said:

& all the above did not know you were "talking" about xplane ............... thanks for the "confession" & maybe it's important to mention your "bent" upfront !!

 

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[Gregg_Seipp 568]

1 hour ago, vadriver said:

& all the above did not know you were "talking" about xplane ............... thanks for the "confession" & maybe it's important to mention your "bent" upfront !!

Not sure that matters unless there's special X-Plane logic for vectoring.

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 870]

Steven,

Thanks for sending the flight plan and details of the problem.

In this particular case, there was a bug that had the controller begin vectors too early.  They should have begun near the end of the STAR for a "manual transition" to the final approach.  That is now fixed.

I will also be checking the logic to be sure it is properly considering the descent rate when beginning the vectors.

Dave

 

[stevenpow 2]

17 minutes ago, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

Steven,

Thanks for sending the flight plan and details of the problem.

In this particular case, there was a bug that had the controller begin vectors too early.  They should have begun near the end of the STAR for a "manual transition" to the final approach.  That is now fixed.

I will also be checking the logic to be sure it is properly considering the descent rate when beginning the vectors.

Dave

 

Hey Dave thank you very much, as always you fix the problem in a timely manner much appreciated. 

[stevenpow 2]

17 minutes ago, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

Steven,

Thanks for sending the flight plan and details of the problem.

In this particular case, there was a bug that had the controller begin vectors too early.  They should have begun near the end of the STAR for a "manual transition" to the final approach.  That is now fixed.

I will also be checking the logic to be sure it is properly considering the descent rate when beginning the vectors.

Dave

 

Hey Dave thank you very much, as always you fix the problem in a timely manner much appreciated.