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[13JUN18] XPlane User Updates

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So how does one get FS9/FSX users to move to a more mature platform like XP11 or P3D V4.x?  I was somewhat surprised by some of the sales numbers for FSX platform (still around 50%)  ... I can only imagine how much developers are holding back (in terms of memory consuming quality and features) just to still be compliant with FSX memory limitations.

Cheers, Rob.

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26 minutes ago, Rob Ainscough said:

So how does one get FS9/FSX users to move to a more mature platform like XP11 or P3D V4.x?  I was somewhat surprised by some of the sales numbers for FSX platform (still around 50%)  ... I can only imagine how much developers are holding back (in terms of memory consuming quality and features) just to still be compliant with FSX memory limitations.

Cheers, Rob.

I think this change is happening, but it takes time! The Flight Simulator brand is still widely recognized, much more so than Prepar3D or X-Plane. Nevertheless, if you look at the trends, since December 2017 X-Plane 11 usage has increased about 38%, while FSX has lost about 8% of its active users. Unfortunately we cannot check P3D`s numbers, but I am sure it is also growing significantly!

 

 

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See, i use both... P3Dv4 and XP11. As i have so much invested in P3Dv4 (some from FSX and other versions of P3D), the move to XP11 will never happen for me. I still fly XP11, but not to the same extend i do v4. There might be people who have enough cash floating around to buy the add ons for both platforms, but unfortunately, that is not me at the moment. 

As far as stats go, FS9 users and FSX users are making choices, be it P3D or XP. Both are growing. And with FSW at its end, its no surprise that these two seeing growth. At the end of it all, i believe people will stick with whats familiar and has the most to offer (products/backwards compatibility and so on). Why reinvest if one does not have to?

 

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Can't wait to get my hands of more PMDG X-Plane products

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15 hours ago, rsrandazzo said:

(To be clearer- this will be a service update, not requiring any further purchase from XPL customers.)

I tend to wait and see when new add-ons get released so I didn't immediately jump on the DC-6. I've been on the fence about it ever since, but this is the news I had been waiting for! Everything else I am more than patient for. Thanks 🙂

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27 minutes ago, elmucki said:

 

As far as stats go, FS9 users and FSX users are making choices, be it P3D or XP. Both are growing. And with FSW at its end, its no surprise that these two seeing growth. At the end of it all, i believe people will stick with whats familiar and has the most to offer (products/backwards compatibility and so on). Why reinvest if one does not have to?

 

Is that why XP is growing at an amazing rate? Because people stick with whats familiar? If that was the case XP wouldn't be growing.

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53 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

since December 2017 X-Plane 11 usage has increased about 38%

How can Steam know whats going on with the XP usage? o.O

 

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2 hours ago, rsrandazzo said:

Anubhav,

The DC-6 was designed to give us a technical study, not a market study.  We already know that the XPL community of high-end sim users is very much smaller than it is in the FSX/P3D world.  We have plenty of data from other sources to show buying habits, etc.

 

And what do you think about the platform? Once you said x plane is not a suitable platform for complicated planes like yours. Does things have changed since x plane 11 or will they change in the near future(based on your conversation between devs of course)? Or were you simply wrong at that time?

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12 minutes ago, ArborVitae said:

And what do you think about the platform? Once you said x plane is not a suitable platform for complicated planes like yours. Does things have changed since x plane 11 or will they change in the near future(based on your conversation between devs of course)? Or were you simply wrong at that time?

XP is a powerful platform and you can do a lot of great things with its "editor".. the problem until now has always been that it locks out developers who want to code outside of the XP-given possibilities. In P3D you can write applications that run beside P3D and take all the calculations outside of the core. In XP you have to use what's there but can't do the same as with P3D. So things like Accusim or what PMDG have done to override for example the ground model would not be possible with XP.. At least for now. To improve this LR could open those limitations so developers can use XP as a visual platform but create their "own simulator" in the background. 

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try to type on a keyboard that is hidden behind a yoke and throttles *lol*
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:ohmy: ...

* door slams - quickly running to supermarket for popcorn *

 

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15 hours ago, redsonssi said:

This update doesn't delay the release of the 747-8, does it?

"We will be scheduling followup discussions with Ben and his team at Laminar once we get beyond the 747-8 release in order to see if we cannot compact the challenges into as small a space as possible..."

I think the above quote answers your question directly.

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18 hours ago, rsrandazzo said:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, I see what you did there.  😎

Please sign your posts in this forum, but thanks for the laugh. 

 

Heheheh, all this activity by you truly means the Alpha testing (heavily on you) is done and the beta (heavily on the grunts hehe) is underway (as you said at the expo). If not mistaken, I believe the 748 should be ready for delivery sometime during mid july-august, barring any unforeseen problems. I know for a fact its gonna release on P3D V4.3, only thing i cant figure out is how much time the new ops centre and rainmaiker will add to ur typical beta/release frame (which i can easily calculate wink).

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6 hours ago, YukonPete said:

Is that why XP is growing at an amazing rate? Because people stick with whats familiar? If that was the case XP wouldn't be growing.

I think the growth is not as "Amazing" as you think. I also believe there is less "crossover" and more new users starting there. Dont kid yourself, I know that X-Plane is growing, and showing sales increase of 33% with only an 8% drop in FSX sales (which I am surprised its that low) without a base of P3D users is hard to show "Amazing" After all, if 2 people own X-Plane and 1 more buys it, thats 33%....just saying.

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24 minutes ago, Sims Smith said:

The longer it will take the harder it will be to break into XP and make profit.  There are many quality aircraft available and Zibo is making great progress on free side.  It feel like PMDG is in year 1999 still planning to invest heavily on film camera and oblivious to the proliferation cell phone and what it will do to the industry.

To be honest, XPL is just like the other sims: it has strengths, and it has weaknesses. This wild idea that XPL die-hards have that XPL is perfect and so far ahead of the other sims is entirely misguided. Sure, it's light years ahead of FSX, and especially the older platforms (FS9 and back, all of which we've dropped), but for platforms like P3D, it lags in some departments while it leads in others.

Don't kid yourself...if it were the pinnacle of technological perfection and user base like so many claim, developers would be all over it. Fact is, they aren't...and it's not simply because they haven't looked into the platform.

 

Instead of casting knee-jerk aspersions, it's usually prudent to evaluate your own blind spots.

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Just now, scandinavian13 said:

To be honest, XPL is just like the other sims: it has strengths, and it has weaknesses. This wild idea that XPL die-hards have that XPL is perfect and so far ahead of the other sims is entirely misguided. Sure, it's light years ahead of FSX, and especially the older platforms (FS9 and back, all of which we've dropped), but for platforms like P3D, it lags in some departments while it leads in others.

Don't kid yourself...if it were the pinnacle of technological perfection and user base like so many claim, developers would be all over it. Fact is, they aren't...and it's not simply because they haven't looked into the platform.

 

Instead of casting knee-jerk aspersions, it's usually prudent to evaluate your own blind spots.

Very well said Kyle. I guess I was eluding to that, but you were more eloquent and explained it better then I could.

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Gents,

There are always a few prosthletizers who feel that it is important to drag every thread into "XPL" vs "any other sim.

If you feel emotional about the fact that a business doesn't see the value that you see in your sim, it is time to walk away from your keyboard a bit until you can have a conversation without evangelizing.  You like your sim, we get it.  But we have data and we are a business.  We do not make business decisions based upon wishes we make them based upon facts.

We have always taken the position that we don't tolerate X vs. Y stupidity in this forum.  Do not do so here, or we will remove your posts without comment and possibly remove you as well.

 

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Robert,

Thanks for the update and professionalism that you bring to the flight simulator community.  I personally am pleased that PMDG is exploring the possibility of developing aircraft for Xplane, even though I predominately use Prepar3D.  Multiple flight simulator platforms that empower developers are a positive step toward ensuring the future of our community.  

I understand that an additional investment to run a first class product such as a PMDG aircraft over multiple platforms seems obscene to some.  PMDG and other first class developers, operating in an open market, have invested their profits back into their companies over the last decade, advancing their products and our community.  I look at multiple platforms as more consumers, which will enable developers to invest in the future and advancement of flight simulation.

But then again I contemplated buying a Dakota wingtip office desk, harvested from the high Bolivian plains, with the help of a very attractive Italian woman.

Was a pleasure to finally shake your hand Sir!   

Mark Holmes

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Mark,

Thank you, I appreciate it.  It is always surprising to me the depth of sincerity that I find on those rare occasions when I attend a show like FSExpo.  I wish I could find some way to bottle it and hand it back to the team.

 

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11 hours ago, Ephedrin said:

How can Steam know whats going on with the XP usage? o.O

 

Because XP11 is available on Steam?? What do you mean exactly?

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Just now, GCBraun said:

Because XP11 is available on Steam?? What do you mean exactly?

Ah okay... I wasn‘t aware of this as I have installed it without steam.. 

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3 minutes ago, Ephedrin said:

Ah okay... I wasn‘t aware of this as I have installed it without steam.. 

Me too! That is why those numbers do not represent the total size of the XP11 market, but they do offer a perspective into its growing trend.

For sure the releases from Orbx, ActiveSky and (hopefully) PMDG will just make the platform even more competitive.

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5 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

Don't kid yourself...if it were the pinnacle of technological perfection and user base like so many claim, developers would be all over it. Fact is, they aren't...and it's not simply because they haven't looked into the platform.

I agree with your post almost completely. Regarding this sentence, I think developers ARE flocking to XP11. Orbx and FlyTampa, both of which categorically said that they would never develop for XP11 are now supporting it. HiFi is also releasing ActiveSky in Q42018. PMDG now has more clear plans for the future...

And, of course, there are the XP-specific developers that already have multiple high-quality add-ons released for the platform. 

I think the future is bright, both for P3D and XP11!

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Robert,

Both running a company and managing a large team in a profession where the operator assumes the majority of the criticism and accolades, I have found that continuously praising and acknowledging my team’s hard work and accomplishments never goes unnoticed.  Please be assured that your team and the community realize that your leadership style has proven that you are a master of the above.

One more point, then I promise I will get off my soapbox.   Addressing the cantankerous members of the community, I ask them to ponder a simple question.  A question that my beautiful wife (past US Air Force KC-135 commander and now a 75/76 commercial pilot) often asks.  “Why do you spend so much time and money screwing around on that stupid computer playing that stupid flying game?”

A great book that I highly recommend, The Triple Agent,by Joby Warrick highlights the lives of those unsung clandestine heroes that died in the 2009 bombing of the CIA outpost in Afghanistan, Camp Chapman.   When the author portrays Sharif Ali bin Zeid of the Jordanian Intelligence Office and also a member of the Jordanian royal family, he describes a very intense personality, whom on a daily basis, stared both death and terrorism directly in the face. Joby goes on to describe how bin Zeid would fly on his flight simulator (what sounded very similar to the PMDG 737) on a regular basis for relaxation and to manage stress.

We all use flight simulation “the hobby” for different reasons.  I get enough flack from my wife because “the hobby” is part of my stress management protocol.  Hopefully my soapbox encourages the cantankerous few to respect why other members are involved in the community and keep stress out of “the hobby.”

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X-plane and P3D are like testicles , one is not better than the other and both should be loved and cherished equally, because it’ll be a sad day if you ever wake up one morning and find one is missing.

Jon Bunting

 

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Jon,

I haven't laughed that hard in MONTHS.  Thank you!

How you doing, btw?

 

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