Avidean

Prepar3D user Red Pilled by X-Plane 11

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In my defense, I hadn't given X-Plane a fair shack since version 10 and I stuck with Prepar3D. But given that it was on sale on Steam and I got the impression that Laminar never has a sale I took the bait. I have to say that I am blown away and I'll have to eat my words re Flight Dynamics and the looks of the sim:

The thing is I really don't have the storage to have both sims on my system so I had to make a decision and I decided to uninstall Prepar3D and clean my system up to make room for X-Plane 11 exclusively. Doesn't mean I am jumping ship just yet. I have to say I am blown away with first impressions but I have a lot invested in Prepar3D.

So my project is to emulate the early user of Flight sim and see what's the best I can do with X-plane 11 using exclusively freeware plugins and addons.

Well for the time being I am now exclusively an X-Plane 11 User.😁

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I still have the luxury of having space for two sims. 

While there are another 2 days for the x-plane org website, it's a good time to add some aircraft such as the FlightFactor A320.

 

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Welcome, congratulations, and you're arriving at a great time since we're about to get 11.30, and with it a lot of fine tuning of stuff that you simply don't even think about in P3D / FSX unless it's a totally external flight dynamics model being used in an add-on, and because sooner or latter we will have HiFi's ASXP !!!!

X-Plane 11 is by far and behold IMO the most promising civil flight sim, and a very inexpensive one if you consider the amount of detail you get for free regarding airports, navaids, default weather even with it's quirks, ...

 

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1 hour ago, Jude Bradley said:

it's a good time to add some aircraft such as the FlightFactor A320.

Sorely tempted as I am, I'm going to stick with my plan of what I can get out of this sim with freeware only. So far I have just being playing around with with the default 737 and 172 since I am reasonably familiar with both of them. I have found that I can get 60fps no problem with the 172 with great setting (see video) and I am very happy about that. Moving on to the 737 I've brought my Prepar3D experience to bare on that on and set my refresh rate to 30hz with great affect. So far I have only gone around the block in the 737 but with great setting with a very smooth 30fps.

I understand there is a freeware mode for the default 737 so that's the first thing I am going to do and then I will be adding what I think is called OrthoXP scenery for the Pacific north west.😁

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Long time FS2004/FSX'r - never bought into P3D and finally took the plunge into XP11 waters.  Though I do have a massive software graveyard, am encouraged by all of LR's current innovations and what they're planning next.

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Same boat, once i fired XP11 was a nver going back.

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On 7/2/2018 at 4:45 PM, Jude Bradley said:

Yes, you are right. The Zibo mod is an excellent aircraft

Well I had some time today so I installed the Zibo Mod of for the 737-800 and The other goodies that go along with it. Sound Pack, Terrain Radar and more realistic cockpit textures. I continue to be blown away by this sim. This is the Furthest I have ever gotten into X-Plane and not been frustrated by it. It has definitely come a very long way in the last couple of year.

I was 5000' flying circuits around KSFO in a stormy night with lots of wind shear and got a super smooth 50fps. I love the info shown in the top left. I've already got the hang of getting the setting right for a flight. I set my refresh rate to 50hz and and see the frame time at .002 and CPU around .0017 and the GPU time around .0015 so its super easy to to get the setting right and see which is under the most stress the CPU of or the GPU. Just Awesome😁

 

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I agree, this is the "golden age" of X-Plane. I bought some sceneries on the .org sale  - SBRJ to go with the freeware https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/25481-sbsp-congonhas-international-airport-brazil-rubensgons-in-memorian-versão-x-plane-by-richard/ (same developer) and it is a very under-rated airport. That is the beauty of x-plane, so much free scenery 

 

 

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And, if you're a fun of tubeliners and want some sophistication at the level of identical products for FSX / P3D then, for Airbus you can chose between or both Toliss A319 and FF A320 U.

I honestly don't use any other airliners with X-Plane, but these offer me my preferred rendition of Airbus among the sims and add-ons I have used.

For GA you have a wide range of choices.

Soaring, well, still leaves a lot to be deserved IMHO.... I see you share that passion IRL just like me :-) 

Maybe with the advent of ASXP we can have something worth the try ;-)

 

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Is there a spreadsheet or website somewhere which lists all available  high quality payware/freeware airports / aircraft for Xplane?

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Compiled from another thread:

Zibo 737-800 (Freeware!)

Flightfactor A320

VSkyLabs DC-3

SSG E-Jets Evolution

Felis Tu-154M

JustFlight's GA aircraft

FlyJSim 732, 722

PMDG DC-6

FJS 732

IXEG’s 737

Avia71 Aerostar 601P

LES Saab 340A

Reality Expansion Pack(s) were also mentioned as a side alternative.

 

Bell 429 (Freeware!)

X-Trident Bell 412

Dreamfoil Bell 407

 

 

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On 7/9/2018 at 5:43 AM, ErichB said:

Is there a spreadsheet or website somewhere which lists all available  high quality payware/freeware airports / aircraft for Xplane?

I think https://forums.x-plane.org/

at least that is where I am looking

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On 7/9/2018 at 9:43 AM, ErichB said:

Is there a spreadsheet or website somewhere which lists all available  high quality payware/freeware airports / aircraft for Xplane?

Take a look at this site (community airports):
https://x-plane.cleverest.eu/

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9 hours ago, torfih said:

Take a look at this site (community airports):
https://x-plane.cleverest.eu/

These are the official gateway airports, they are all included in X-Plane by default or will be soon anyway. Not much sense to download from there and create a mess with duplicates that will never update themselves automatically.

Look there, it's not about the quality, but I think it's quite comprehensive:

http://apxp.info/

Pascal

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Well after a couple of weeks I am happy to report that the magic has not worn off! I am just loving this sim! It's official. I've filled the divorce papers against Prepar3D. I never imagined that I could love another but I was won over on looks alone. Sure Prepar3D might be deeper but I am a shallow old dog. Per my original commitment I haven't bought any addons but I am loving the Zibo mod for the default 737 and certainly for my level of study its every bit as good as the NGX. I have on many occasions said the flight dynamics thing is nonsense but I do have to eat my words in this regard. Flying is X-Plane 11 feels more real to me than flying in Prepar3D especially in choppy conditions. Now its not all roses. I noticed that when flying in clouds during a thunder storm the lighting is like a strobe light. once pulse every second or so. If anyone knows how to fix that I'd love to know. And the draw radius for HD shadows doesn't even extend beyond the VC. That's a real immersion killer.

But what I cannot over is the quality of the freeware stuff. Its Awesome. I installed MisterX KSFO and its just as good as payware for Prepar3D. Also I installed Ortho4XP for Florida and it's better than ORBX LOL! But since I have limited space it eat up 85GB of SSD space and it got me to the limited 16Gb of system DRAM.

It also runs very well on my haswell system and tuning the setting is a piece of cake. I love that you can see the rate at which the GPU and CPU are processing frames on the screen so you know exactly which to adjust.

I'll stick with this until Prepar3D V5 comes out. I suspect that will be a major cross roads for a lot of flight simmers and I personally don't think it viable to operate 2 or even 3 Flight sims unless your willing to spend a lot more.

 

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48 minutes ago, Avidean said:

Now its not all roses. I noticed that when flying in clouds during a thunder storm the lighting is like a strobe light. once pulse every second or so. If anyone knows how to fix that I'd love to know. And the draw radius for HD shadows doesn't even extend beyond the VC. That's a real immersion killer.

I think the strobe lights issue is intentional. It should simulate the self-reflection of strobe lights when in fog or in clouds. AFAIK, real pilots may turn off strobe lights when in fog or in clouds to avoid the blinding reflection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-collision_light#Strobe

Regarding the HD shadows, are you referring to internal cockpit shadows, or outside aircraft shadows? Maybe a screenshot would help. There are simple tweaks to improve shadows quality and radius, although the more detailed the shadows, the bigger the load on GPU.

 

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8 hours ago, Avidean said:

I'll stick with this until Prepar3D V5 comes out.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think this is going to be a major crossroads?. I've not heard anything about what will go into the next version, but I can't see it being anything that fundamentally changes the sim. I perhaps suspect PBR, dynamic lighting improvements, but I can't see them changing the scenery system because of the need to maintain backwards compatibility.

I wish LR would also break backwards compatibility and finally remove the 1x1 mesh limitation. This would be such a big welcome move for developers, and it would show in their products.

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I often ( well, actually not that often... ) divert into P3D, now v4, using monthly dev licenses, that always last more than I actually have P3D installed i my rig...

I do this because I prefer airliners in flight simulation, because light aircraft and "sight seeing" is what I do when I fly ( for real in my glider )  but then, even if I can't still find an airliner as detailled for an Airbus as for instance FSLabs A320 is ( and yes I have both the FF A320 and the Toliss and I like both... ) the problem comes when I start hand or even A/P flying the thing in P3D, and that "plastic" / "robotic" / "inertia-less" feel reminds me that I'm in good-old MSFS land...

I miss some stuff from MSFS / P3D in XP, mostly picky stuff like being able to set a date, having a precise representation of the Moon, even some details of the available weather engine I use for P3D ( but will soon become available for XP11 too... ), but truth is, well, I can't really say I opt for P3D ...

Then again, when I start testing the prop aircraft in X-Plane 11 ( and I am looking fwd for 11.30 ! ) I usually get rush back into DCS or IL-2, the same applying when I am up for a rotary wing ride... Only problem with those sims is the limited scope, scenery and mission wise....

But I can understand your thoughts very well Dave! 

A suggestion - get that payware MOD for the default C172. It's really worth the buy!

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7 hours ago, jcomm said:

A suggestion - get that payware MOD for the default C172. It's really worth the buy!

What does it offer, considering one has XP Realistic installed?

Oh and btw., how's the uninstalling business these days?

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1 hour ago, Colonel X said:

What does it offer, considering one has XP Realistic installed?

Oh and btw., how's the uninstalling business these days?

Well, been a time since I last used it, but starting with the corrected effects of a strange right bank tendency that came with the "new" propwash effects as well as trying to overcome teh limitations imposed by the not so perfect ground physics, some engine limitations and more precise regimes and performances, more detailled systems simulation including failures, etc...,  it was certainly worth the buy.

I keep uninstalling everything, the most resilient usually being the OS 🙂 Those usually last for at least some 4 yrs... Simulators come and go at a more or less monthly pace - my Moon side maybe 🙂

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