Intel i9 9900k to hit 5GHZ - Do you have one Rob?!

[Noel 4,486]

Has anyone read anything more solid on whether or not I9-9900K will sport soldered IHS?  Everything I read is based on a single source (golem.de) so seems pretty much like rumor run amok.   If it does, and I7-9700K doesn't, I'll happily pay the difference in cost.

Edited July 30, 2018 by Noel

[brucewtb 247]

Well I have taken a punt and RMA'd my just purchased 8086K in anticipation of a soldered 9900K or 9700K becoming available over the next 3 months or so.  Hope it all works out.

Bruceb

[mokeiko 39]

I would rma the z370 motherboard as well and get a z390, but that’s just me. I understand a bios will make the new cpu compatible but still.

fly safe

 

Edited July 31, 2018 by mokeiko

[zmak 331]

59 minutes ago, mokeiko said:

I would rma the z370 motherboard as well and get a z390, but that’s just me. I understand a bios will make the new cpu compatible but still.

fly safe

 

Agreed. the z370 bios upgrade is sort of a mild hack in my brain anyway . If something dies down the road there is always the niggling feeling, did the z370 bios upgrade ok??

Edited July 31, 2018 by zmak

[mokeiko 39]

40 minutes ago, zmak said:

Agreed. the z370 bios upgrade is sort of a mild hack in my brain anyway . If something dies down the road there is always the niggling feeling, did the z370 bios upgrade ok??

Exactly.

fly safe

[Johnny19 344]

I just got Fractal R6 chassis, preparing for a new build with 9900k :)

[Sartanius 399]

2 hours ago, Johnny19 said:

I just got Fractal R6 chassis, preparing for a new build with 9900k 🙂

Good choice, my friend... the best case I've ever used.

[Johnny19 344]

3 hours ago, dmiannay said:

Good choice, my friend... the best case I've ever used.

It'll be used first with my current build 🙂 thnx

[Noel 4,486]

So guys if I9-9900K indeed sports solder I think I'll finally do the upgrade.  I'm still using a 6 y/o SB-E that works well but I wouldn't mind getting up to speed as it were.

If you will, what is a good motherboard from Asus for me.  I will likely only use one GPU but would like room for two if that's still happening!  I plan to use my old Coolermaster HAF-X case, my Sammy SSDs, but will replace my power supply and pick up 32G of whatever memory will work w/ this CPU.

[Sartanius 399]

Noel - I, along with many others here at Avsim, have been very happy with the ASUS Maximus X Hero with our 8700k CPUs, which is the Z370 chipset.  The equivalent is likely the soon-to-be-released Maximus XI Hero (assumption) sporting the newer Z390 chipset.  The new 9xxx series CPUs are supposedly compatible with the Z370 chipset, but you're better off waiting for release of the Z390 chipset MBs, which will give you much better OC support with the 9xxx CPUs.

Edited July 31, 2018 by dmiannay

[Noel 4,486]

3 minutes ago, dmiannay said:

Noel - I, along with many others here at Avsim, have been very happy with the ASUS Maximus X Hero with our 8700k CPUs, which is the Z370 chipset.  The equivalent is likely the soon-to-be-released Maximus XI Hero (assumption) sporting the newer Z390 chipset.  The new 9xxx series CPUs are supposedly compatible with the Z370 chipset, but you're better off waiting for release of the Z390 chipset MBs, which will give you much better OC support with the 9xxx CPUs.

Thanks for that!  While we're here, how about cooling methods for these new CPUs. I've used a Noctua D14 for my SB-E chip which has been great for that CPU.  I would consider water cooling as long as it's really reliable and can't leak!  

[lownslo 592]

7 minutes ago, Noel said:

...how about cooling methods for these new CPUs. I've used a Noctua D14 for my SB-E chip which has been great for that CPU.  I would consider water cooling as long as it's really reliable and can't leak!  

With your current cooling solution (the air conditioner) you really don't need water cooling.  Might think about upgrading to something like a NH-D15, though, if your case can handle it.

For those interested in the tech differences between the Z370 and Z390:

http://hexus.net/tech/news/mainboard/119525-intel-z390-chipset-expected-z370-rebrand/

https://techstunt.com/heres-how-intel-z390-is-better-than-the-z370-chipset/

Greg

[Noel 4,486]

Thank you I think you are right because air cooler efficacy will probably benefit from low incoming ambient air temp a little more than a water cooled might.  Plus, I'm not after maximum clockspeed, instead somewhere just under that.

Also, for an ASUS motherboard I can see doing the Z390 when it arrives but what I want is something pretty simple but w/ great overclockability and durability overclocked.   I'm just going to be using one video card but would like room for 2 potentially, 32Gb of good ram, and I am going to be using SATA 3 SSDs.  Thanks Greg et al!

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Noel said:

Thank you I think you are right because air cooler efficacy will probably benefit from low incoming ambient air temp a little more than a water cooled might.

No, water cooled will always perform better provided sufficient radiator specification for task at hand.  BUT, some air coolers can get close like the NH-D15 ... see 7:40 min mark in video below.  I have no idea what "Custom loop" was used when testing, hopefully spec'd correclty.

However, I would still always opt for water cooling or water chiller setup because it's expandable, flexible, doesn't require lots of room around the CPU, radiators can be placed just about anywhere (even externally) in a variety of sizes.  I've never had a single leak since my first Koolance unit going back to 2001 ... lost count of how many water cooled builds I've done since then (from servers to desktops).  Secret to leak free is tubing choice and fitting choice (avoid hardline as that more difficult to get a correct seal that will stand the test of time).  I prefer custom loops because I'm the "quality control" in their setup/build and not some "acceptable" level of failures like you'd see on an assembly line process.  Water cooling has really come a long way since 2001.

Cheers, Rob.

 

[Noel 4,486]

35 minutes ago, Rob Ainscough said:

No, water cooled will always perform better provided sufficient radiator specification for task at hand.

Cheers, Rob.

 

But...what if...one has 44F air blowing gently directly into that air cooler, which when I do this now w/ my DH-14 peak core temps can drop into the low 40Cs on my SB-E @ 4.42Ghz w/ HT enabled whereas w/o this A/C augmentation would be running around 66-68C w/ the DH-14 at my typical 79F ambient house temp.  I don't need to run my A/C unit at full output so I adjust t to maintain core temps for P3D around 56C or so.  Given the information just provided, how much better w/ going to water cooling could I expect to get?  I'm thinking my temps now are probably better than what the average AIO water cooler can do, no?    

I can appreciate what your main point is, that given identical context water cooling with sufficient radiator will outperform air, but my situation is a little different, and I don't think the payoff would be worth it, though it is attractive to get rid of the bulky Noctua.   Can you recommend a model of complete water cooler w/ adequate radiator for my needs?  I'm aiming now at I9-9900K if it's soldered, or 9700K if that is soldered.

Edited July 31, 2018 by Noel