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Intel’s first “s-series” Core i9 CPU will be soldered

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The Coffee Lake Refresh will launch in October. At launch, only three SKUs will be available: Core i9-9900K, Core i7-9700K, and Core i5-9600K (with Core i5-9400 coming in Q1 2019).

The documents that were shared with us anonymously, confirm that new processors will be soldered. It is unconfirmed whether Core i5-9600K is also using STIM (Solder Thermal Interface Material) because the files we have only refer to 8-core parts.

 

 

https://videocardz.com/77356/intel-core-i9-9900k-confirmed-to-be-soldered

 

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Well... lets hope the above is true chaps. 😉

 

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I hope its true.  As much as I enjoy getting the most out of my CPUs (via de-lidding) not having to take the risk of damaging the chip, losing the warranty, or buying liquid metal are all benefits in my book.

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Pardon my ignorance... it's been a long time, since I've messed around with hardware and computer building... but what does it mean, that the CPU will be soldered? Soldered to what? (hopefully not the mainboard)... 

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3 minutes ago, ABermann said:

Pardon my ignorance... it's been a long time, since I've messed around with hardware and computer building... but what does it mean, that the CPU will be soldered? Soldered to what? (hopefully not the mainboard)... 

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14 minutes ago, ABermann said:

Pardon my ignorance... it's been a long time, since I've messed around with hardware and computer building... but what does it mean, that the CPU will be soldered? Soldered to what? (hopefully not the mainboard)... 

The integrated heat spreader (IHS - that you attach your CPU cooler to) will be soldered on top of the CPU chip rather than just having thermal paste to conduct the heat away.

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30 minutes ago, vortex681 said:

The integrated heat spreader (IHS - that you attach your CPU cooler to) will be soldered on top of the CPU chip rather than just having thermal paste to conduct the heat away.

Ah... undrrstood! Excellent. No more delidding required and everybody will enjoy excellent and more consistent cooling performance. 

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38 minutes ago, odourboy said:

Ah... undrrstood! Excellent. No more delidding required and everybody will enjoy excellent and more consistent cooling performance. 

 

Actually, I'm wondering what the difference is between liquid metal TIM, for example Conductonaut and solder. How close they are in terms of thermal efficiency.  In other words how much cooler will solder be than liquid metal be, if at all. 

 

Edit... seems Conductonaut liquid metal is 75 w/mk. Indium solder is 81.8 w/mk.

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Intel's soldering method does not use pure indium.  Der8auer has a video on it 

 

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4 hours ago, vortex681 said:

The integrated heat spreader (IHS - that you attach your CPU cooler to) will be soldered on top of the CPU chip rather than just having thermal paste to conduct the heat away.

Interesting.

So - in laymans terms, Intel starts glueing (soldering) the heatsink on top of the CPU? 
(I'm trying to wrap my head around it...)

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27 minutes ago, ABermann said:

Interesting.

So - in laymans terms, Intel starts glueing (soldering) the heatsink on top of the CPU? 
(I'm trying to wrap my head around it...)

I think it's important to note here that this is not a new idea.

Intel used to do this for nearly every CPU they manufactured.  They stopped doing it with the Ivy Bridge generation of consumer desktop CPUs (2012 - Core i7/5/3 3xxx series).  This had a negative affect on cooling performance, which lead to a reduction in overclocking potential.  This caused savvy power-users, enthusiasts, and hardcore overclockers to develop a process to alleviate this new cooling issue, dubbed "de-lidding".  

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Hopefully this will also cut down attempted returns of damaged and kentucky fried CPU's from failed delids.

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30 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

I think it's important to note here that this is not a new idea.

Intel used to do this for nearly every CPU they manufactured.  They stopped doing it with the Ivy Bridge generation of consumer desktop CPUs (2012 - Core i7/5/3 3xxx series).  This had a negative affect on cooling performance, which lead to a reduction in overclocking potential.  This caused savvy power-users, enthusiasts, and hardcore overclockers to develop a process to alleviate this new cooling issue, dubbed "de-lidding".  

Really? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I have assembled dusins of computers and hardware throughout the 00's (2001-2010) - both professionally and as a hobby, and I have to this day, never seen a CPU, where the heatsink were soldered on top of the CPU... Typically the heatsink (with fan) had to be fastened using a special clip or screwed onto the motherboard using special brackets, which were fitted on the motherboard.

My experience stretches to consumer products, though... I haven't been messing around with enterprise products. But then again, I could be misunderstanding what you meant/say. 

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17 minutes ago, ABermann said:

Really? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I have assembled dusins of computers and hardware throughout the 00's (2001-2010) - both professionally and as a hobby, and I have to this day, never seen a CPU, where the heatsink were soldered on top of the CPU... Typically the heatsink (with fan) had to be fastened using a special clip or screwed onto the motherboard using special brackets, which were fitted on the motherboard.

My experience stretches to consumer products, though... I haven't been messing around with enterprise products. But then again, I could be misunderstanding what you meant/say. 

Yes, you are misunderstanding 😉

 

What you call "the CPU" is in fact the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) (flat metal "lid") which sits on top of a CPU die, which is itself attached to a PCB.  The soldering we refer to in this case is between the CPU die and the IHS.  No one is saying the heatsink is soldered to the IHS.  

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9 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

Yes, you are misunderstanding 😉

 

What you call "the CPU" is in fact the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) (flat metal "lid") which sits on top of a CPU die, which is itself attached to a PCB.  The soldering we refer to in this case is between the CPU die and the IHS.  No one is saying the heatsink is soldered to the IHS.  

Wow! I can see that this is going to cause some misunderstanding for newer folks and one who have been away for a while. To be clear...Do not get out your solder gun. We the consumers do not need to solder anything!

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9 hours ago, TechguyMaxC said:

Yes, you are misunderstanding 😉

 

What you call "the CPU" is in fact the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) (flat metal "lid") which sits on top of a CPU die, which is itself attached to a PCB.  The soldering we refer to in this case is between the CPU die and the IHS.  No one is saying the heatsink is soldered to the IHS.  

Ah! Thanks. That makes sense... 

Thanks a lot for the answers.

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I'm very surprised so many of you have never heard of delliding. 

 

Here's a delidding video that will give you an idea. 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, martin-w said:

I'm very surprised so many of you have never heard of delliding. 

 

Are you really?

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39 minutes ago, FunknNasty said:

Are you really?

I suppose it shouldn't be surprising given the nature of this forum.  If this were a PC hardware enthusiast forum like hardocp or anandtech or techreport and someone made those comments, it might give pause but here, not so much.  

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1 hour ago, FunknNasty said:

Are you really?

 

Yes, because there's's been so many topics here in the forum that relate to or mention delidding. Quite a bit from me. Including Max's excellent delidding tutorial that was pinned for ages.

My surprise is just that though, surprise, not a criticism of anyone.    

 

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8 minutes ago, martin-w said:

 

Yes, because there's's been so many topics here in the forum that relate to or mention delidding. Quite a bit from me. Including Max's excellent delidding tutorial that was pinned for ages.

My surprise is just that though, surprise, not a criticism of anyone.    

 

Aside from you, Hasse, Funk, Rob, myself, and a handful of others, the vast majority of people that visit this forum are not PC hardware enthusiasts, let alone hardcore overclockers.  

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I'm referring to the hardware sub forum in particular of course. I think its more than a handful, but yes, I guess so, the majority aren't.

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25 minutes ago, martin-w said:

I'm referring to the hardware sub forum in particular of course. I think its more than a handful, but yes, I guess so, the majority aren't.

In my estimation, most of the threads created in this forum are by posters seeking advice on what to buy.  I don't think any of those users would fall into the category of "PC hardware enthusiast" or "hardcore overclocker", or they wouldn't be making these threads, they would be answering them (like you or I or the other handful of regulars here).  At this point though I think we only differ in opinion by matter of degree so I will leave it at that.

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At this point though I think we only differ in opinion by matter of degree so I will leave it at that.

 

Seems like it.

We have a sample size of "two" that weren't aware in this thread, so hardly enough information to know either way. Thus we can only go by our own experience. In my case those I have spoken to privately and posts I have seen re this. The majority, no, more than a handful, absolutely yes. 

Its a silly thing to be arguing about really, all I did was express surprise, and somebody expressed surprise that I was surprised followed by a question mark and here we are debating something unimportant. 😊

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I think a PC gamer who hasn't at least heard of delidding would be a rare duck indeed. 😁

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