Suggestions for other ways of ground steering?

[Nigge 20]

Hi, this has been something that has been annoying me a bit.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to do ground steering except the regular combined ground steering + rudder?

What I want is for example: when on ground the spoiler axis = ground steering but when in air spoiler axix = spoiler.
How do you guys do ground steering and clever solutions? I think its really annoying to do the ground steering with pedals.

My setup is Saitek rudder pedals and a Thrustmaster Hotas Joystick.

Thanks for any suggestions

/Niklas Eriksson

[Lorby_SI 2,038]

Hello Niklas,

the paid version of FSUIPC has a function where you can assign a separate controller to act as the "steering tiller". It is still using the rudder axis, but FSUIPC detects how fast you are going and will send either the tiller (below 40 knots? Value can be adjusted) or the pedals input to the sim. I am using an old joystick as tiller.

But it also depends on the aircraft model. For example, with the Majestic Q400 you can assign the spoiler axis to the tiller directly.

Best regards

Edited August 20, 2018 by Lorby_SI

[Chock 17,769]

Depends on the aeroplane. I tend to prefer add-ons which have the steering tiller modeled and able to be activated, which differs on how it is done for a few of them:

On the Majestic Q400, I click the mouse on the actual tiller in the VC, which is okay but zooming the view back a bit is required to ensure you have enough of the windscreen in view to see where you are going whilst also being able to actually click the mouse on the tiller. The Black Box Simulations Airbuses all use a system which I quite like; the P3D deploy tailhook command toggles between working the steering tiller and the rudder, so you only have to have one steering axis assigned to a controller to use that, it automatically flips back to rudder control when you hit 40 knots. The FSL A320 similarly has a key assigned for toggling the nosewheel steering, which is okay too.

[Nigge 20]

17 hours ago, Chock said:

Depends on the aeroplane. I tend to prefer add-ons which have the steering tiller modeled and able to be activated, which differs on how it is done for a few of them:

On the Majestic Q400, I click the mouse on the actual tiller in the VC, which is okay but zooming the view back a bit is required to ensure you have enough of the windscreen in view to see where you are going whilst also being able to actually click the mouse on the tiller. The Black Box Simulations Airbuses all use a system which I quite like; the P3D deploy tailhook command toggles between working the steering tiller and the rudder, so you only have to have one steering axis assigned to a controller to use that, it automatically flips back to rudder control when you hit 40 knots. The FSL A320 similarly has a key assigned for toggling the nosewheel steering, which is okay too.

Hi, I mainly fly the FSLabs A319 and the Pmdg airplanes. And from what I understand from the FSLabs A319 even if you enable /disable nosewheel stearing, it will still use the rudder axis which for me means the pedals...

I love the way Majestic handles it in the dash with the spoiler axis, so thats what I really want to have for all airplanes...

[vadriver 247]

22 hours ago, Nigge said:

.... I think its really annoying to do the ground steering with pedals

why ?

it is necessary / correct in ground roll (takeoff / landing) < 40kts or so.

does your "joystick" have a twist (Z axis) to use as a tiller.

P3D4 has an assignable rudder (pedals) & separate steering (tiller) axis which works for airbus / boeings (though it does not limit pedal nosewheel steer as it should / could) as distinct from pedal rudder control.

check your airbus fcom for details (1.27.10p16 & 1.32.20p1) on what should be possible .... fsuipc control is the only solution to be close.

Edited August 21, 2018 by vadriver
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[Christopher Low 5,353]

I just use my joystick to steer on the ground and turn in the air (with AutoRudder enabled).....but that is probably not an acceptable option for some of you guys

Edited August 21, 2018 by Christopher Low

[ShezA 176]

I have a Thrustmaster joystick with twist function assigned to steering tiller which sits on a small table to the left of my chair. This is for ground steering. All buttons on top are for reset views so when panning the view (moving the head so to say) while taxiing I can quickly reset to forward view when back on centerline.

This is separate from my Saitek Yoke which is mounted in front with rudder pedals for flying.

For jets/Dash8 I use the tiller/joystick, for GA/props I use my pedals. All assigned via FSUIPC.

My wish is one day some hardware manufacturer produces a true steering tiller...

Shez

[Nigge 20]

2 hours ago, vadriver said:

why ?

it is necessary / correct in ground roll (takeoff / landing) < 40kts or so.

does your "joystick" have a twist (Z axis) to use as a tiller.

P3D4 has an assignable rudder (pedals) & separate steering (tiller) axis which works for airbus / boeings (though it does not limit pedal nosewheel steer as it should / could) as distinct from pedal rudder control.

check your airbus fcom for details (1.27.10p16 & 1.32.20p1) on what should be possible .... fsuipc control is the only solution to be close.

Yes, but IRL you dont control the nose wheel by the rudder pedals, thats the only thing I want to change. 

[westman 257]

44 minutes ago, Nigge said:

Yes, but IRL you dont control the nose wheel by the rudder pedals, thats the only thing I want to change. 

I modify my Hotas Warthog works great with FSL A320, AS bus and PMDG 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/19nguszgklz4g87/Foto 2017-10-18 19 32 31.jpg?dl=0

Edited August 21, 2018 by westman

[mikea76 184]

2 hours ago, Nigge said:

Yes, but IRL you dont control the nose wheel by the rudder pedals, thats the only thing I want to change. 

In the real A319 you have a small amount of nose wheel control with the rudder.  I believe it’s 6 degrees 

 

FSL has it modeled correctly if you set up a axis for the tiller, you will only have a small amount of nose wheel control with the pedals

[Chock 17,769]

4 hours ago, ShezA said:

My wish is one day some hardware manufacturer produces a true steering tiller...

Shez

 

[Pete Dowson 558]

3 hours ago, Nigge said:

Yes, but IRL you dont control the nose wheel by the rudder pedals, thats the only thing I want to change.

The FSUIPC option doesn't use the pedals for steering, but a separate assigned axis. It does use the rudder input in P3D for steering, just gradually changing to pedals as you accelerate.

It does need such an axis assigned for steering. If you don't have a spare axis to assign then you'd have to do it using a plug-in to switch to whatever other function you need on that axis.  There is an example of such a plug-in, but for throttle action, in my User Contributions subforum -- the thread by the name "Throttle Manager to Allow Axis Forward/Reverse Toggle"

Pete

 

Edited August 21, 2018 by Pete Dowson

[Christopher Low 5,353]

For the record.....is it possible to turn the nosewheel of the FSL A320/A319 with the joystick left/right axis if AutoRudder is enabled? Please tell me that it is, otherwise I will be somewhat annoyed...

[vadriver 247]

10 hours ago, Nigge said:

Yes, but IRL you dont control the nose wheel by the rudder pedals, thats the only thing I want to change. 

airbus pedals & tiller

 

7 hours ago, mikea76 said:

FSL has it modeled correctly if you set up a axis for the tiller, you will only have a small amount of nose wheel control with the pedals

mike

curious to know ..... are you using P3D4's steering (tiller nosewheel steer) & rudder (pedal nosewheel steer / pedal rudder control) axis assignments or pete's (fsuipc) similar "direct to" methods .... in the pmdg, you don't get limited nosewheel steer using the P3D4's axis but you do with fsuipc.

Edited August 21, 2018 by vadriver
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[Nigge 20]

Thanks for all replies, 

Im guessing by reading the later posts that its not possible to combine spoiler axis and ground steering?.
I dont haven any axis to spare at the moment so guess there is no other way than keeping the pedals for ground steering unfortunately.